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Ahmad (00:00.182)
I mean, like Marina, I mean, look, you’re going to, this is going to be a great podcast. I’m telling you right now because- I hope so. I’m not an academic, right? And I don’t know the words for everything. And I don’t know what the research for everything. I could just tell you what I feel from the heart. And that’s it. Well, I know that’s good enough for me. I’ll tell you why this is going to be a great podcast because the few conversations we’ve had, so shout out to Nikita Stark. She’s the one who made the introduction. Yeah. So thanks Nikita.

And she said, you really need to speak to Marina. She’s brilliant. She used to be a dentist and she’s got great things to say. And I was like, okay, but you know, I just was busy. There’s a lot of shit going on in my life and I hadn’t got, got a chance to get in touch with you. And then, then I did. And I’m so glad I did. And we’ve had a few interactions and phone calls and voice notes. And every single time you, you know, I’ve had a rough week this week, as you know, um, and you’ve left some lovely voice notes and they really lifted my spirits.

Marianne, I needed to hear those things because when you’re down, you kind of forget and it’s just nice to be reminded it’s okay. Everything’s gonna be okay. I know because I’ve been there. Yeah, I know, you told me. Couple of episodes in my life that have been quite life-changing. So let’s go back, let’s talk about that then. So you used to be a dentist. I used to be a dentist, yes.

How long ago is this? Like how long were your dentists for from when to when? Well, ever since I was little, I’d always wanted to be a doctor because my grandfather was a doctor in India and all his family were doctors and dentists. And at 16, I had a neurotoxicosis, so I ended up missing some school. 16? Yeah. Oh, wow.

And it wasn’t diagnosed by my GP. He told me I had growing pains because I had chest pains and couldn’t walk up the stairs. I used to be really sporty. And then I couldn’t just going up the stairs. I used to get terrible chest pains. And my GP told me classic growing pains. Of course, of course it is. So my parents knew a doctor and they were quite concerned about me because I used to have to lie down because I couldn’t breathe very well. And he fixed me up.

Ahmad (02:18.99)
um, with some tests and then came back and said, uh, you’ve got atrial fibrillation and you need to have some blood tests. And it came back that I was very toxic. I had a hyper thyroidism and it actually led to heart problems. So, um, I was put on carbamazole. I’m ended up missing a lot of school. That was the time I was taking my O levels all those years ago because you know, that was in the, um,

70s, yeah, 70s. I was gonna say 80s. No, no, 70s. I was born in 1960. And so, yeah, I missed a couple of years at school. And then because my friends were ahead of me, I decided to go to a technical college and take my A levels there. I still wanted to be a doctor. So got my O levels, got some A levels. They weren’t brilliant, so I redid them.

didn’t get into do medicine. So I went and worked for Tesco’s for That’s not a bad thing, by the way. Wow. No, I see that now. But at the time, I, my parents just wanted me to go to university. And I said, well, I ain’t going to go just for the sake of going. So I got a job as a trainee computer programmer for Tesco’s. And so I was there when they brought out the first scanning things. So I did, yeah, that was the electric point of sales.

Yeah, it was called the sod system, store ordering and delivering service. But so was that sods sods. So yeah, sods. Oh wow. Yeah, I did that. And then I decided my brother, he decided to train as a dentist. And so he said, why don’t you apply for dentistry? And in my mind, I thought, oh, I could do that. And then maybe after the first year transfer over to medicine, because I’d heard people had done that.

So I was lucky enough to get into the London Hospital Medical College in Whitechapel. And so began my dental career and never looked back. No. And I realized that maybe that was what I was supposed to do because being a woman at that time, I was, I was at school in the days when we were told you’re a woman, you won’t get into do medicine. Women don’t do that. You know, and also I was mixed.

Ahmad (04:39.838)
So my father was Indian, my mother German. And I used to get teased at school for being, well, it was very unusual then. I used to get teased at school for being, um, for being brown. And, uh, one of the teachers actually had to tell all the children, when you grow up, you will all be paying to go on holiday to get Marina’s color. Um, but I used to get told to go back to where I came from and stuff. You know, I’ve had the racism.

I’ve had, but it’s not, it’s water over ducks back. It was like, you know, we used to have a saying sticks and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you. 100%. And they didn’t. And I, you know, I think for me, I know it’s not the same for everyone. For me, it probably made me stronger. Same with me. I’ve been called a Paki. I’ve even been called a chinky. I’ve been called a nigger. Yeah, seriously. Once someone called me a chinky and then they got a bit closer and went, Oh my God, no, he’s something else. Just like at least get it right.

At least get it right. My surname was Wadwani and I used to be called Wogwani. Right. So I was always called the Wog, go home, you know? So, but anyway, like I said, it was fine. I never let it get to me. Um, and then, uh, I was, uh, I was, went to college, did my, when I did my A levels there, I was head girl and demoted for looking out for the students. Cause I’ve always been a bit of a rebel. And anyway, so I went to dental school and, uh, enjoyed my time there.

came out, went into practice in Harlow. Yep. And worked there for a few years on the NHS. Got married, had a couple of children, and then decided it was time I opened my own dental practice. So I opened my own practice in Stansted Mount Fitchett, near the airport. And I was quite happily, had another baby, and then my mother, who’s German, used to say to me,

Reena, I’m reading in all the German magazines that putting amalgam in is really bad for you because of the mercury. And I said, no, that’s not true. Why would they teach us that at dental school if that was the case? Yeah, why would they? Why would they tell you to put poison in people’s mouth? And you know, so I didn’t believe her. And of course I gave my children fluoride because fluoride is so good for you. That’s what we were told at

Ahmad (06:59.506)
And so, you know, I, I was just, and I used to think, you know, I’m, this is me, I’m totally honest about everything. I used to think anybody that did turn me off, it was nuts. You know, it was crazy. Why would you want to do that? Yeah, it was woo woo. Woo woo stuff. Absolutely. You know, um, and, uh, I used to think that people were just crazy if they did that. And it’s interesting because now people think I’m crazy, but hey. Well, you might still be, you might still be.

So basically what you’re saying is you didn’t go through med school or dental school, you know, questioning anything. You’re a smart, good person and you’re just trusting. You’re trusting that your lecturers and everybody is telling you what’s the right thing and you’re learning from them. Absolutely. You’re not a bad person. No, you get told at dental medical school, I’m sure it’s the same for you. You know, you are

some of the best students in the country. Oh my God, I got taught that in the first lecture. I swear to God, the first lecture ever, anatomy lecture hall in Glasgow University, 1993. I’ll never forget it. And it’s like, everyone here, look around you. You should be proud of yourself. You’re the top 1% of society. And we all looked around at each other and went, really, us? What the fuck, really? But it’s like, it’s just giving you that little boost and ego and a bit of arrogance.

I don’t know. I can’t believe you had the same thing. Oh yeah. It must be something they teach in all the dental schools. So, you know, you’re taught to believe that you are very lucky to be here because you are some of the top students in the country and you are getting the best education. Yeah. And we had at the London hospital, we had the, it was called the London hospital medical college at the time. And now then it was changed to the Royal London and now it’s something else because it merged with Barts, I think.

And we had a lovely museum there where they had the skeleton of the elephant man. Yeah. So, um, you know, I was lucky enough to study with the elephant man. And, uh, and you’ve got all these professors and big wigs. Yeah, of course. You know, and they’re all world renowned professors and you know, you’ve got, um, and you’ve got these, you know, really big personalities and you’re just like, wow.

Ahmad (09:16.17)
I’m here with all these wonderful, amazing people and I’m so lucky and they’re teaching us such wonderful things and we’re gonna go out and heal the world and be the best. And you know- Fix everyone’s teeth. Exactly. Do you know what? I had the same feeling. I’m not lying, same thing up in Glasgow, completely other part of the country doing different thing, medicine. But it was like, you’re kind of like people, I don’t think people realize outside our medical world, how you feel almost starstruck by these big lecturers, professors.

Oh my God, they’re president of this. They’ve published this. They go to the international meetings. And I don’t know about you, but you know, for a long time, I just wanted to be like them. I aspired to be the prof, to be the big wig, going around in the lecture circuit, publishing everything. And so everyone would look up to me and go, wow, that’s Dr. Malik. Yeah, I sort of felt the same, but I always thought, well, I’m not.

quite clever enough to be like that. But I was just so grateful to be there. Yeah, well, I had a healthy dose of imposter syndrome too. But you know, you just think I’m so lucky to be here. There’s all these wonderful people and there’s all these clever people around me. And it was just an honor. You just felt, you know, you were just like walking on air for five years. Yeah. And then you go and then I qualified and you come out and you think, you know, everything, sorry, but you think, you know, everything. Oh, yeah. And actually, you know.

much and there’s so much more to learn, but you just think because of the way you’re taught that you know everything. So I went out and see the practice and then I had my own practice and became a vocational trainer. And that was quite an eye opener. Can I go back to your training a little bit? Cause it’s sorry, sorry for interjecting, but it’s a conversation and sometimes I need to stop myself from talking too much because you’re fascinating, but I want to ask you something about your training.

You said when you come out, you think you know everything, 100% same with me, doctors, every, all the doctors ever speak to say the exact same thing. And now when I look back, I was thinking about all the errors that we’ve made in the history of medicine. I don’t know about dentistry, but in medicine, we used to do some really quackery stuff like venous section for centuries. Let’s, you know, George Washington died because they bled him to death for a flu.

Ahmad (11:36.79)
I mean, this is stuff that I’ve been learning from my guests, you see. They used to do trepanning, stick a thing up the brain and wish it around a bit. You know, get rid of migraines and also your personality. Lobotomies, the guy who invented lobotomies got a Nobel prize. They used to dish out arsenic and mercury. Guess what? I got never, I never got taught any of this in med school. I think it would have been really useful getting taught this stuff in med school and being taught, do you know what? We’ve really fracked things up over the centuries. We’ve made so many mistakes.

And we need to be humble and we need to understand that even today we might be doing stuff and in the future they’ll look back and go, what the hell, what was that, what was that? And I think that would have been such an important lesson to take because instead of graduating thinking, I knew everything, I’d be like, Oh shit, what we’re doing wrong nowadays. And you know, that, that mindset would have been a little bit different. Um, is there a similar parallel in the world of dentistry? Cause I don’t know. Like.

what you guys did in the past and were, did you do anything crazy or were you taught the history of it? Well, I think putting mercury in is pretty crazy. You know, there was a big group of dentists that didn’t agree with doing mercury, but you know, putting mercury in, they thought it was bad, but it was just, they were just bulldozed and then the American Dental Association was formed and they all said it was fine. It was cheap and easy because dentists used to put gold in.

gold was expensive. They used to do gold inlays. Wow. No, see, this is, this is important. So, when did the Mercury start? Because gold is relatively inert. Yes. That’s the difference. It’s always down to the money. Yeah. And so, um, there was, it was some Frenchmen, I think. I can’t remember it. I’m at the moment, I’m learning so much on my brains going, oh, I’m trying to access things. And

But I do remember giving a talk about it. And I think it was some Frenchmen went to America and they said, look, we’ve got these alloys here, silver alloy, powder filings, and we’re mixing them up with mercury and then it becomes hard and it’s brilliant for putting in teeth. And we were always taught at dental school quite wrongly that when mercury, because an amalgam filling is 50% mercury and then it’s got metal filings in it, which are things like.

Ahmad (13:58.306)
silver, copper, can be a bit of copper, zinc, trying to think, but nickel, you know, there’s various things and they mix them together and then you get this sort of ball of, it’s a bit like dough really. And then you put that in a tooth because it’s very, it’s quite soft. So you put it into the tooth, into the cavity. Like a putty type thing. Yeah, and then you carve it. And then after a while it starts to harden. And then they teach us that was totally inert.

And dentists and when dental nurses used to mix it up, they’d mix it up in a little dish and then they’d put it in a gauze and then squeeze it, twist it, twist it to get rid of all the mercury beads. You know, and I remember being at school when we had mercury and we used to roll it around on the desk and flick it around and these big pools of mercury because we all thought it was fine. Well, I hundred percent, but actually in the eighties when I was in school,

I hope I don’t get him into trouble, but Dr. Armitage would say, everybody, come around here, come around here. I’m not meant to do this anymore because mercury is highly poisonous. But as long as you don’t eat it, it’s fine. Come on, everybody. We’ll pour some mercury in your hand. I love doing this. It’s so much fun. Just look at it. Isn’t it amazing? And so here we are playing with mercury and pouring it in our hands. And he’s told us this is bad. We’re not allowed to do this, but we’re still doing it.

So I knew then it’s pretty toxic stuff and we shouldn’t be playing with it. But yeah, it kind of sounds weird sticking it in your mouth. But then they say once it hardens up. Once it hardens up, it’s fine. Doesn’t doesn’t give off mercury vapor. But there are videos that show that when you brush it, you supply heat to it. They’ve used little I think they called Jerome meters. They can put them in your mouth and they can see the mercury that’s off gassed.

Um, and most of it is off gassed when you first have it, um, the filling put in. Um, but it does got off gas over time over, you know, over the years when you, um, as you’re chewing and some people have a lot, some people have a lot. My mother had a lot. Um, and you know that, but we were always told it was safe. And I, I believed it because when you go to medical dental school, you are indoctrinated. That’s why you come out as a doctor. Yeah, exactly.

Ahmad (16:20.97)
is funny when, when you watch the movies, you know, like these old movies and they’re going around pulling people’s teeth out for the gold, you know, some very unscrupulous kind of like Wiley fellow just with a grin, you know, taking out the teeth of dead people for gold. I didn’t really, yeah, it’s there. It’s obvious. Of course it used to be gold. And that’s America. But so when did that happen? 50s, 60s?

Ahmad (16:48.778)
you know, because I’m learning so much else. So it’s not, um, anything else in the, in the world of dentistry that it did, that was crazy or still do. Well, they make, um, you know, we were always taught that the best type of dentures to make for people, if they’ve got partial dentures are, um, are cobalt chrome because they’re nice and rigid. And, um, but then I learned many years later that maybe cobalt chrome’s not so good because it’s heavy metal and you’ve got that in your mouth all the time. And, uh, you know, there were some doctors who believed that

It led to multiple myeloma. And you know, I did know some patients that had that and you sort of start thinking, Oh my gosh, you know, so I, It’s a gateway to the gut and the gut is everything. So I stopped. Um, I mean, I should really explain to you how I got into the alternative side of medicine. So I had my own dental practice in Stansted. Um, I had a vocational trainee and then I got pregnant with my fourth child in 19.

Well, she was born in 1997. And at that time I was an NHS dentist. So I was allowed to have maternity leave because my first two, you didn’t get maternity leave, so I had to go back to work when they were six weeks old, because at the time I was the main breadwinner. Wow. And, and then I did get maternity leave, but three months paid maternity leave. So

I got a locum in place. I had a vocational trainee and then Rosie was born. And when she was three weeks old, I had a car accident on the M11. I had a discovery and I’d gone to pick up my children. One was at nursery in near Stansard Airport. My son was at prep school in Bishop Stortford and my daughter was at.

at school in Cambridge. So I had to do this big round trip to go and pick them up and I was tired because the baby had kept me awake at night and it’s obviously not her fault because she was, you know, woke up in the night. My husband had been away on a training course in Italy. So I drove back down the M11, having picked up my daughter and I noticed, and the car started to drift. I had a discovery drifting to the middle lane and I heard one of the children say,

Ahmad (19:08.278)
And I realized that I was dozing off. So I tried to steer back in the slow lane, but I oversteered and ended up with the whole car, the whole Discovery flipping over on its side, facing the wrong way and skidding down the hard shoulder. Oh no. And I can still smell it. You can smell the metal on the road. And I came to a standstill and I looked around and all the children were absolutely fine, thank God. And I noticed all this blood everywhere. And I thought, what’s that from? And…

Car was on the driver’s side, so it was laying on the side. And then I looked down and saw the end of my index finger hanging off. You see the bone sticking out and it was just hanging there. Oh no. And I won’t say what I thought, cause it was a swear word. And I thought, well, that was a pretty stupid thing to do because you’re a dentist. But anyway, then, you know, this big lorry stopped and all these people came and it was something like out of a horror movie in a way.

because there was a private ambulance going past and they stopped on the grass verge and they had a patient in there and they were taking the patient down to the South Coast or something. And they said, oh, we can’t really do very much. And they got me out on the grass verge and lay me down there and they didn’t know what to do with me. Were you upside down? No, I was on the side. Oh, that was the other thing. They were trying to open the door to get me out.

And I said to them, why don’t you just open the back door? You know, I mean, I cannot believe that I was quite so with it. And I said, why don’t you just open the boot and I’ll just walk through. So I did that. They got the children out. Please came and took the three older ones to my mom. How old were your kids at the time? Bianca would have been nine. Alexander was eight and tomorrow was four. Wow. Rosie was three weeks. No, Rose, tomorrow was two, sorry, two and a half. And Rosie was three weeks.

So they did. Were they not traumatized by this? Yeah, I think they were. My son probably more than the others, but the police took them to my mom’s. And it’s quite funny, because my daughter said to the policeman, my mommy was annoyed with my daddy because he went away to Italy and he bought her back some salami. It’s, you know, and it was nice and cheese.

Ahmad (21:25.822)
It was just such a bizarre thing to say. Anyway, so they went to my mom’s and I said to them, I need to take the baby with me and they said, do you want to go to Harlow hospital or Addenbrookes? And I said, Addenbrookes. So went to Addenbrookes and I get there, they take the baby off me and the, and the plastic surgeon came down to see me. He was registrar and he said to me, Oh, I don’t think you’ll be ever be working in again as a dentist. And he said, we’re going to have to amputate your finger. And I thought, yeah.

pretty much guessed that. And he said, but we’re also gonna have to amputate part of your thumb. I said, well, what’s wrong with my thumb? And he lifted my hand up and he showed me, I’d scraped away the back of my thumb on the road. So he said, we’ll probably have to amputate that as well. And anyway, they sedated me. And I remember lying there waiting to go down to surgery to clean me up, because I had big cuts on my arm as well. And I remember lying there thinking, oh, how are we gonna manage? Because I’m the brain, my husband was a trainee author.

He was an orthopedic surgeon, but he was just an SHO. And so I was the main breadwinner. And so, you know, I was thinking, what are we going to do if I can’t work? And yeah, it was quite horrible. I just remember lying there all evening, waiting to go down to theater, thinking that how are we going to change? And I was at that point, I decided, I will get back to work.

somehow or other I will get back to work, even if I have to retrain with my left hand. And they went down to theater, they cleaned me up. And then the next day the plastic consultant came in and said, well, we’re gonna have to, you know, you’ve broken lots of bones in your hand and we’re gonna have to do more surgery. Oh wow. I was in surgery for several hours and they ended up having to take a sero nerve graft and putting it in my ring and middle fingers because I evolved the nerve to my ring and middle fingers. Oh no.

So, uh, yeah, my hand was pretty badly damaged and, um, and it’s not until you lose like normal function, you don’t realize how much you take for granted. I mean, this pinch grip is what differentiates us from primates. They, they do that. They don’t have an opposable thumb. This, this is what makes humans special. So just in case, I’ve still got that. You see, yeah, that was what

Ahmad (23:46.998)
because I’d lost part of my thumb, I was still able to do that. Yeah. I mean, I’ve got, you can see there, I’ve got, um, where they had to take a bit from my wrist and put skin graft there. And I had, they had to actually cut the back of my hand to relieve the pressure. Um, so you had a compartment syndrome as well. Yeah. And you can see that, you know, this finger ended up growing the top of this finger, end up going over to that way. And I ended up having to have more surgery on it because they put pins in it. Anyway, so, but you know, that was, um,

was just the way it was. And I think that was the way of being told, Marina, you’re doing the wrong thing. You know, I went through the grief of it all, but I was so determined because I’m a stubborn, I’m an Aquarian and I’m stubborn. So you tell me I’m not going to do something I bloody well will. Sounds like me. So, um, so yeah, I, so I decided that I’d go on some courses and I thought, well, I’ll start practicing writing with my right hand. I mean, I tried with my left hand, but it was really difficult.

Um, but then I started to pick up a pen and started writing with my right hand and I always had nice handwriting and I realized that my handwriting was still nice. So I thought, well, if I can do that, I can do dentistry. I realized that there were going to be limitations because I, if I put my hand in my pocket, I can’t feel what’s there all the time because these two fingers were completely numb because of the nerve, but I have got a slight feeling in them now.

So yeah, it was, took me about seven months. Luckily I had a locum in place. I had a vocational trainee, so they were able to keep the practice going. And I had a woman come in, a nanny come in during the day to help with the children. And so I decided, right, I’m gonna do some courses that, you know, I probably would never have done otherwise, apart from, because we have to do CPD, continuing professional development. And I used to be a good girl and do all of that. And…

I’d heard about this dentist who came over from America, a little Texan guy who, um, did a special kind of orthodontics, orthopedics. And I thought, oh, I’ll go along and do that, because at that point I was just going to do anything, you know, just to try and get my brain going and keep myself busy. And I, as a dentist, I absolutely hated orthodontics. I couldn’t understand it. It just didn’t make sense to me. Yes, I know you take teeth out and you

Ahmad (26:09.174)
and you put braces on, but it just didn’t make a lot of sense. But you know, if I had children that had crowded teeth, I’d send them to the orthodontist and he would come back and say, take these two teeth or four teeth out and I’d just do that and then send them back to him and they’d come back with braces and everyone was happy. So I did this course and a little text in there and he started to talk about how it wasn’t always necessary to take teeth out and how that can actually be

the body and I sat there for this entire weekend and it just blew my mind. And I thought, Oh my gosh, my children, they’re all going to have crowding teeth. I’d had teeth, I’d had braces and teeth taken out. And I thought, I’m going to have to learn this because I don’t want my children to have teeth taken out because it affects your posture, your airway, your hips, you know, so much that I didn’t ever really, they never taught us this at dental school.

They just look at the teeth and they look at the mouth and they’d say you have three different classes, class one, inclusion, two, three, and then you do extractions and you get everything to try and be a class one. And if you can’t do that, then you surgery. You know, if it’s, if someone’s got a, a big lower jaw, you surgery. And those were the only options, you know? So yeah, crowding, you just extract teeth. You make room, not crowded mouth. You know, and you tell the patients, Oh, your teeth are too big for your mouth.

Really? Years ago, you know, hundreds of years ago, thousands of years ago, people had beautiful straight teeth. And then I started to learn. Well, can I give you an example? You go to the Masai Mara, you see the Masai people in Kenya and Tanzania, they have got those caricature, beautiful straight white teeth. And I don’t see anyone taking them to the dentist with pliers and taking their teeth out.

Cause I spent time there in my medical elective, I was out there for three months in Tanzania and I went up and met a lot of the Maasai and honestly, they all love smiling and joking. So I got a good look at their teeth and they’re all perfect. Well, that’s they’re all perfect. Yes. Weston there’s a, there was an anthropologist and an identity school Weston Price in 1920. I think he was in the 1920s and he went round and he documented all of this. And he said it was to do with the diets. There you go.

Ahmad (28:33.45)
So what was it about the diets? Well, fat, fat soluble vitamins and chewing, tough chewing. So A D E K. Yes. But he didn’t know it was K at the time. Right. He called it factor X. Oh, and it was a bit more exciting. Yeah. But it was only, I think it was, I called it might have been Chris master. John who discovered it was vitamin K and there’s lots of

different parts of vitamin K, the meta, metaquinones. And, uh, they’re all, you know, because I used to think when I’d heard about vitamin K, cause I don’t, I would love to study nutrition, but you know, it’s just trying to find the time. Cause I’m busy grandmother, I’ve got four children, I’ve got three dogs and I’m learning all this stuff. And it’s like, Oh, tell me about it. Tell me about it. You know, it’s, um, we’ve suddenly found those medical students and dentists that came out thinking we know everything.

Now to a point where we’re like, we know fricking nothing. We don’t know anything, do we? No. We know so little. We think we know it all, but we know so little. And we think we know how the human body works because we did our anatomy and our physiology and our biochemistry. But you know, there’s some of the nutritionists out there know so much more than we do. And some of the holistic doctors. And you think, what? How do they know all that? And we don’t know anything. No, but we’re doctors. I know, I know. You’re special and we’re doctors. Yes, we are.

Look at me standing on my pedestal. What a lovely shiny pedestal. Well, I don’t call myself doctor because we were allowed to dentists and it never really, you know, I, so I always call myself Marina or my patients call me Marina. Well, this is why I call myself doc. Yes. That was a good way, but you know, it’s just a bit, you know, cause a lot of people used to call me doc when I was, you know, practicing.

And it was because they would say to me, you’re not like a typical doctor, which I took as a compliment. Yes, I agree. And they said, but we don’t want to call you Ahmed either. So I’m going to call you doc. And everybody started calling me doc. I think that’s great. Yeah. And so it’s like giving me the title, but it’s very relaxed and informal with none of the pretension, you know, pretentious, like, look at me, I’m a doctor. Just call me doc Malik. Yeah. But then you see the surgeons once they become, once they become, um, surgeons and they go back to being Mr.

Ahmad (30:48.074)
Yeah, I know. Well, my mum was very upset when that happened. She went, what? You went for med school and stayed for five years and sit all these exams and now you’re a mister? What was the point of that? I was like, mum, it’s a long story. It is a long story. So, so, yes, so I, so I started to learn all this stuff with Western Price and yeah. And I don’t know, I think I got a bit lost. Where are we there? So Western Price, we’re talking about diets, we’re talking about chewing and chewing. We need to talk about that. So.

So what I discovered was that you can actually make the jaw bigger by, you know, I mean, this, this has all been a journey as well, because when I did that, I thought I knew a lot about that. But since, since then I’ve been learning more and more and more and it’s to do, you know, I didn’t know about the fat soluble vitamins when I first started learning about making the jaw bigger, I learned about appliances that made the jaw bigger and improved breathing. And I started to implement this in my practice when I did, it took me seven months to get back to work. And I did,

But then I decided that I would never put another amalgam in again because I’d been to other courses. Um, what happened was I went on this orthopedic course and it just blew my mind and then I met some dentists there. They were Irish and they said to me, Oh, you put an amalgams in. And I said, yes. Oh, you really shouldn’t be doing that. Why? And then, and then I thought, Oh, bloody hell, my mom was right. You know what she was telling me was right. So I then went on a course. Um,

with a Dr. Klinghart, Dietrich Klinghart. He came over for the first time, bought over by some dentists in the UK. Um, that must’ve been Rosie’s now 26. So that must’ve been about 20, 25 years ago. So I started doing his courses and, uh, he was talking very much into mercury toxicity and heavy metals and all that sort of stuff. And then way ahead of his time.

Yeah, well, he’d suffered from Lyme disease and so he had a journey of his own. He studied orthopedics in Germany and then he went and did acupuncture and then he did kinesiology. And so I learned his type of kinesiology, but I couldn’t really use it in dental practice because we are guided. You know, you have all these GDC regulations, just as you have the regulations from the GMC and there’s certain things you can say and certain things you can’t say.

Ahmad (33:09.406)
And all this about, I realized at that point that all this about informed consent was fine if it was all informed consent to do with what the general dental council thought was okay. So I could say to patients, well, you know, yes, you could have your amalgams taken out for reasons if you don’t like the look of them, but I couldn’t tell them, or you can have your amalgams taken out if you’re worried about your health.

That was a big no-no. So where’s informed consent? That to me is not, you know, I wasn’t allowed to tell them. And even when I put on my website that there are people who think, I didn’t say, I thought, I said, there are people who think that career amalgams are bad. I got told off by the general dental council because you’re not allowed to say that. So anyway, I, I’d, um, so I decided when I got back to work that I couldn’t possibly put amalgams in so, but under the NHS, you had to do that. So I had to take a big step.

You know, have a leap of faith and go private. And I explained to my patients why, and some of them went off and some came back and saw me, but I never, I always decided that I would never ever, ever say to any of my patients, you need your amalgams taking out. That wasn’t my place. And I also felt, you know, if they had them, that was fine. But if they needed air filling replacing, I would just let them know that I wouldn’t put, be put in an amalgam in. Um, so.

I learned how to take them out very carefully. There’s certain procedures you need to follow. But like I said, I’d never ever said to any of my patients, you need them take now, and I had patients who had lots of amalgams in and I would just replace it if they needed a filling replacing with a white one. Um, so I’ve always, you know, that’s always been my thing. I never tell people what to do. I just give them the option. Um, and not interventional and no, you sent very similar to me. So that’s how I conduct myself, Marina, because

As a clinician, you’ve got a lot of power. And the truth is you can almost influence your patient into doing what you want them to do if that’s how you practice. You can convince them to do whatever you actually want. You can sell it in a way that sounds like this is the, this is the only really sensible option. And that can, but it can be unethical because if you’re driven, your motive is money and financial gain. You might be persuading them to take an option that makes money for you.

Ahmad (35:32.97)
And it’s intervention and isn’t always in their best interest. Isn’t always in their best interest. And the reality is sadly interventions are how you make money. You don’t make money from a device. You don’t make money from telling people good practice. You get money from injecting, cutting, drilling, sawing, whatever you’re doing. Taking TFA. So yeah, I would always say to my patients, I’m here to inform you and

educate you, to give you your options, because everything has got pros and cons. Absolutely. And that is why I’m doing all these interviews, because I want people to know, because what’s happening is a lot of people saying, I’m going to go and see a biological dentist. And they’re coming out with treatment plans that, you know, sometimes cost a lot of money, and maybe they’re not going to benefit. Say that again. Right. So listen, stop, because this is important.

So we’ve, we’re talking about how everything has its pros and cons. And I will go into that. Yeah. And so now what you’ve got is some awake people, health conscious people are like, right, I’m going to go see the latest buzz dentist thing going on. Biological dentists, a holistic dentist, a nice wellness dentist. They might also be selling you just an alternative that might not actually be in your interest. Is that what you’re suggesting?

Ahmad (36:55.662)
Say it. Yeah. There’s people listening. You can’t see your face there. Yeah. Um, well, what can I say? You know, I, I am, this is all part of my journey. So, you know, when patients came into my practice, I would give them the options of everything. And I did have someone when it came in to sit, I want amalgams. And I said, I’m really sorry. I don’t do them. You need to find another dentist. But you know, I would always give my patients options because I was always, how would I want to be treated?

So I would tell my patients, same with the braces, if they wanted to go down the conventional route, because unfortunately the making the jaw biggers wasn’t available in the NHS, I would refer them. I wouldn’t make them feel bad. I would just refer them, but just tell them these are the different options. And so I then moved practices where I was in Stancy village the other side of the airport, managed to get a big building and convert it into a beautiful barn type building. I had a

I had other holistic practitioners come in, but I gave people choices. And I had a very successful practice and then I got running, had a run in with the banks and got divorced and ended up having everything taken away from me seven years ago. And that was devastating because I had very small NHS pension. Thank God my children were grown up and their dad was earning good money at that point to became an orthopaedic consultant. So he was able to…

They were all grown up, so it was just the younger one was 15. I think the youngest at the time. So, um, so yes, and I went, um, and had to go and live with my mom for six months because I had my house taken away, my dental practice. I was made bankrupt. Um, but you know what? At the time it was really horrible and it was devastating and I felt my life had been taken away because I loved my patients. I loved my job. I love what I did. I loved educating people. You know, I love.

banter I had in practice. I loved learning and everything was taken away and I felt like a nothing. You know, I felt like it was worse than losing my finger and thumb because I came to believe that losing my finger and thumb was one of the best things that ever happened to me because it changed my life for the better because it opened my eyes and I learned other stuff. So I, but your job is sometimes also like we need purpose in life. Yeah. And

Ahmad (39:19.574)
For me, there’s lots of purpose. So for me, I wanna be a great husband. I wanna be a great father and role model to my kids. I wanna be a great doctor and educate and inform people. Now, it sounds like a new thing is I wanna be this podcaster and content creator and reach out to thousands of people and educate them about all the garbage that’s going on. Well, that’s really important. You can reach more people this way than you can seeing them in your surgery.

Yeah. So for me, it was, it was a terrible time. So I went back to live with my mom for six months and then, uh, I love my mom, but I couldn’t do that. It wasn’t easy. Um, she still, she still thinks I’m going to take my cap off. She thinks if I just get my haircut properly, if I just get the right haircut, I will look like I was when I was 14 with a lovely hair style. And I’m like, mom, it ain’t that simple.

I actually don’t have the hair there anymore. And she doesn’t get it. She’s like, no. And she pulls out these pictures from when I was like 14, 15 years old and goes, look, if you just cut your hair, look, you’ve got plenty of hair. You just cut it, stop shaving it. Stop shaving your hair and you’ll be just fine. I’m like, okay, mom. That’s my mom. I love her. God bless my mom. I couldn’t. Yeah, but moms always know better. They do. So my mom was the same. So I lived with my mom for six months and then found a room to live. I was 57.

and I’d lost everything. You know, I thought I’d be retiring to quite a nice life, not, you know, a hedonistic life, tolerant or anything, you know, nothing really fancy, just a nice lifestyle. And there I was with nothing. Wow. And so I went and my children were quite concerned about me. So they bought me a dog, as I thought I could do with some company. Great. So they got me a little sprocker and it became my best friend.

He got me out of the house. If it hadn’t been for him, I wouldn’t be going out walking. Um, fresh air, sunlight, daylight, you know, and then I started to learn about all those sorts of things. Well, I started to learn a lot of that with Dietrich Klinghardt about the water, the messages in the water. Have you ever seen that? No. Oh, that sounds and frequencies change water. There’s someone called Veda Austin. Yes, but that’s all, um, Emoto’s work.

Ahmad (41:44.726)
Masuro Emoto, Japanese guy. Give me the details of that person later. You know, Veda Austin is going to come on my podcast. Is she brilliant? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, sounds change. Emoto did a beautiful book where it’s called Hidden Messages in Water. And he played different music to water. And then he managed to freeze it and look at the crystals. And the crystals where they’re playing Strauss and…

and Beethoven, crystals are absolutely beautiful. Where they play heavy metal, they’re really ugly. Then he did things like he got, it was distilled water he’d start with, and then he got a jar of distilled water and he put the words on it, he put heaven, I think he put angel and devil. And then he froze the water. And where you’ve got the words angel, the water’s absolutely beautiful. Where you’ve got the words devil, the crystals are really ugly. What? Yeah.

It’s a brilliant book. It’s just, it’s a picture book, but it’s absolutely brilliant. Right. Well, I need to look into this. Yeah. So, um, so it makes you realize that because we are what, 70% of all water, that when you speak to someone in certain way, you are affecting every cell in their body, because every cell in their body has got water in it. So what are you doing to them when you…

say nasty words and horrible words, or when you say nice things. The energy, vibration, everything. Absolutely. So I learned all of this from Deetji Klinghart, you know, tapping and all sorts of things, but most of all, I was using the… Philly Jay lays into tapping. Yeah, yeah. I know Philly as well. I love her. So, yeah, tapping acupuncture points. I used to do that for children. They came into the practice and fallen over and smashed a tooth or something, and they were really frightened and nervous. I’d say to them, would you mind if I just tap some acupuncture points?

punch points and I tap them and you see the child just visibly calm down. Wow. And there was one little girl, she broke her, she’d fallen over and her tooth had got really loose. I think she was about three and ideally she should have had the tooth taken out, but her mom didn’t want her to have a general anesthetic. So I taught the mom the tapping. She couldn’t do it on the child because she was so upset. So I said to the mother, if you do it on yourself and vision, it’s, you know, you’re doing it as a surrogate for your child, that will work.

Ahmad (44:02.026)
And the mum came back and said, whenever the girl got agitated, she’d do it, the tapping on herself and the girl would just lie down and go to sleep. These are all, you know, weirdy, wonderful things that you would just think are so crazy, but they work. And I used to think, why can’t we teach that in dental school for kids or adults that come in that are so nervous, just tap acupuncture points. That’s not harming anyone. You’re not doing any harm. You’re not hurting them. You’re not doing anything bad. Why aren’t we learning this?

Why? You know, because, because people at dental school just think it’s wacky. Woo woo. Woo woo. But if it works and you’re not doing any harm, so that was my big thing all the time. If I do something for someone and it’s not going to harm them, then you know, I’ll have a go if they’re willing. I’m up for that. But as long as it does no harm. Yeah. First, do no harm. Absolutely. So, you know, that was the way I just go through, through my life. You know, I’m not a great person. I do.

bad things and stuff. And I’m joking, but you know, I’m not making myself out to be a wonderful person, but I have some, you know, there are certain things I think there’s so much we can do to help other people. And even if it is just teaching someone how to tap, you know, or breathing, you know, there’s so much you can do. So let’s go back. Can I go back before we go further into the woo stuff? I want to talk about a little bit more about the dentistry stuff. Yeah. So that is one.

I think, you know, we talked about fillings and stuff. And another one is, oh, you know what? You’re overcrowding your mouth. You need to get all your teeth, fat, tea, fat, tea, fat braces. I had, um, a guy called Sebastian on the, you know, biological dentist. And he talked about my nose breathing is really important. Nasal breathing, not, um, for the math. He talks about. You can wear these like gum shield type things that hold your teeth in the right places. He talks about exercises that you can do with your tongue, with your math.

And it improves out your posture, your sagittal balance, everything. Um, and he also talked about how it’s really important to get, you know, like you said, when it comes to chewing, we need to stop eating mushy food. Like everything nowadays is mush. Yes. And actually, you know, when you have a meat diet and you get bones and gristle and you’re chewing and you know, can you do the same thing with vegan diets? Can you, can you just chew and gnarly on anything that’s vegan? I, I’m just, by the way, I’ve had some. No.

Ahmad (46:26.606)
complaints, not complaints, just observations that almost all my guests are either keto or heavy carnivore. Um, in their diets, they recommend that I’ve had basically, I don’t think I’ve had any vegans. Right. Let me be, right. Let’s go back to the teeth taking out. Yes. There’s, um, John Mu did a lot of work. That’s him. And his son, Mike. So, you know, with children mouth, it’s with your children.

Pregnancy when you’re pregnant, you’ve got to eat all the fat soluble vitamins. And I actually believe the more research I’m doing, the more I’m finding out that toxins are a big problem. The baby gets 70% of the toxins from the mother. Wow. So they dumped them into the baby. Well, the baby is what the mom eats. Exactly. And so I discovered something last week, which was another shocker to me. Um, you’ve heard of the MHTFR. Um,

A gene, it’s a gene. So if you’ve got a problem with it, it’s methylation. That’s a lot. Everything needs to be methylated in the body. So if your methylation pathways are messed up because you have this problem with the gene, which I think is epigenetic, I think it’s, I think there’s so much to do with epigenetics these days that, you know, we’re just learning about. It’s like, am I right? Sorry for interrupting, but things like, for example, even like folic acid is

We were told to take folic acid, but it’s not methylated folic acid. So it’s not processed properly. And if you’re missing the gene, it’s actually a problem. Yes. And a lot of you need to, a lot of it is synthetic. And if it’s got, um, a lot of it’s got cyanide in it. Great. So you need to really look, you know, you need to really look, cause a lot of supplements also have heavy metals. So it can’t be pure folic acid. It had to be a methylated folate something. Yes. You couldn’t, I mean, I’m not, you know, I’m not a nutritionist, but you can find these things out and look it up.

But yeah, if you have, I mean, this is a shocker to me. I only found this out last week, that there’s a lot of children born with lip ties and tongue ties these days. It wasn’t, you know, again, it wasn’t a problem that I ever saw much, but I’m hearing about it and the dentists are saying, oh yeah, you know, we’ll do laser and, which is brilliant because it affects breastfeeding, you know, and that’s the other thing, breastfeeding is really important, but it affects the child’s feeding. So they’re doing this laser, which is brilliant, but…

Ahmad (48:49.914)
I discovered that 50, I think it’s 50%. I might have that wrong. Cause I found this out last week and I need to do some more research of children who have this MF THL problem, methylation problem, have lip ties and tongue ties. Wow. I didn’t know that. No, what did I do last week? And I’m thinking, can I read something out to you? So basically folic acid is a synthetic form of folate.

So you don’t want to be having this synthetic bullshit. Folate is an essential B vitamin. There’s several. Yes, that’s right. There are. And a term that includes both folate found naturally in foods or supplements or fortified foods. And that’s the thing. So these fortified breads are full of the bullshit one. Cereals, you know, your corn flakes and yeah. A hundred percent. So if you’re, if you’re getting the bread, the white bread and the, even the bran bread and the cereals and they’re all like fortified, do you know, even as a kid, I used to be like,

If it’s so great, why does it need to be fortified? Like honestly, it doesn’t make sense. It’s either good enough on its own and it’s got it, or it doesn’t. Why do you need to fortify? I never got that. No, I think that, you know, there’s so much that we… So, folate is necessary for healthy blood cell production. And that’s kind of important, because that’s how the oxygen and the energy delivery and the nutrients and healthy cell growth, well, that’s important, and function, which is why it is crucial in early pregnancy.

Folic acid is a synthetic form of folate. It’s funny, when I remember being a doctor, people used to always say, oh, give folic acid supplements. Absolutely. They never said folate. What the hell is wrong with us? Yeah, but look who’s got cyanide in it. You’re right. And then, and it’s often added to foods such as bread or cereals. However, our body needs to convert it into a form called L-methyl tetrahydrofolate. Bloody hell.

mouthful, to be able to use it. And that’s true because every, nothing we eat is ever used in the form that it’s in. It’s always processed in the liver, it’s methylated, whatever. And so this five, five methyl tetrahydrofolate or five MTHF is a naturally occurring form of folate, which is well absorbed by the body. By taking folate in this highly bioavailable form, our body has to do less work when it comes to converting it into usable form. Kind of makes sense.

Ahmad (51:11.47)
because you’re giving it the way it should naturally be used. Um, which is especially useful for those who have the MTHFR. Um, so methyl and tetrahydrofolate reductase, bloody hell, gene, a genetic mutation, which can lead to high levels of homocysteine in the blood. Not good. And low levels of folate. Five MTHF, the natural form that’s bioavailable helps to ensure a body’s supply of folic acid helps to support homocysteine metabolism and can provide

for support for brain function and mood. I’m aware of this. I just wanted to make sure I got it right. And the point that I’m making is, this is just one tiny example of the BS that we’re fed that shouldn’t be fed to us. Absolutely, absolutely. You know, and the other thing is glutathione. You know, that’s the master antioxidant. Right. Another thing I found out was, you know, cause there’s lots of glutathione supplements around.

take glutathione, but then apparently, again, this is stuff that I’m hearing and I just don’t have time to research all of it. But if you’re taking it as a supplement and your body doesn’t make it, it’s a bit like your hormones, when you take a hormone supplement. But if you’ve got, but it’s needed to detoxify the mercury and the aluminium, but mercury,

It’s a really weird thing. Apparently mercury turns off glutathione production. So what you need to do is get rid of the toxins. And this is where I’m, I’m at the moment because I’m looking at all these supplements that are available. You’re having liposomal this and nano this and nano that and nano is another big one that I really annoys me. Um, you need to tell me why I think, I think it’s BS, but

So I look with the whole supplement things, if you come and see my shelf, there’s full of supplements, AD vitamin B column. I do take supplements, but, but I think even more important than that is a really healthy, balanced, nutritious diet, feel a really good food and making sure you don’t have too many toxins in your life, you know, that’s the basic starting point and then you have supplements. I’m worried that there’s a lot of people pushing supplements and creating almost an alternative parallel big pharma.

Ahmad (53:31.282)
industry. Like, you know, forget taking these drugs and pills, take our healthy pills instead. And well, let me tell you about those. A lot of them are peed out. And the reason is, I mean, this again, you, I go on the internet and I do, if I, if there’s a disease I want to know about, I put the name of whatever it is. Like I did with the tongue ties and heavy metals.

You will be surprised at how many come up with heavy metals because we are bombarded with heavy metals in the air, the water, um, the food we eat. I mean, look, a big one is water. So I think everyone listening, like today’s the last day you’re drinking tap water. I, I stop, stop drinking. Absolutely. That’s the quickest big win you can do today. Totally agree. 100% agree with you. I distill my water and then I put

Celtic sea salt or I put some detox drops in it, which have got minerals in. Same, by the way, same. So I would say to people, you know, don’t have a look in someone’s distiller. What the hell is at the bottom of the distiller? It is crud. It is shit. And it’s actually silver, grey, coloured, you know. In some places you can actually smell the chemicals. Right? I’ve, you know, I, because I was helping a lady, this was a few years ago, in Basildon and I went to help.

look after her for a couple of days and she distilled her water. And at the bottom of the distiller, it was like a teaspoon full of yellow liquid that’s just was chemicals. Yeah. And in different places, I mean, in Cambridge where I am, it’s very, very hard, but it’s gray and sometimes when I open my distiller up, there’s like a white foam on the lid, it’s a bit like shaving foam. Oh, I think what the hell is that? And that’s what people are drinking. So me and my dogs, I distill my water every day and I, and I

re-mineralize it and that’s what my dogs get. But the stupid dogs will go out and water out the puddle anyway. But at least I know. But it’s rain water. I mean, but even then rain, I don’t know. So, yes. I mean, I have now come to the conclusion that we need to be detoxing every day because the food isn’t good enough quality to do it. And the supplements is like, the big thing is magnesium. Now magnesium we need for about 300 different chemical reactions in the body.

Ahmad (55:55.85)
Magnesium is very close to, or the body, or the receptor sites of magnesium, apparently think that mercury is the same thing. So it will bind onto mercury and it won’t let the mercury go. So how can you get magnesium in unless you get the mercury out? Okay. Magnesium is very, very important. Yes. And different forms as well. So I have magnesium glycinate and I think that’s the best form, bioavailable form. So a lot of people talk about detoxing.

know, talk to Sarah Myhill and she talks, you know, there’s things like a hot sauna and cold plunge. Then there’s actual chemicals you can take EDTA and whatnot. I wouldn’t take chemicals. Exactly. So how do you recommend? Yeah. I want to know about this detox. What would you recommend? I came into it. So I did all these courses because when I was doing dentistry and taking out mercury for patients that came in and said, I want my amalgams taken out. And that’s my other big bug

Ahmad (56:55.65)
that people would come in and say, what my amalgams take now? And I’d say to them, well, you know, you have to understand that if I take them out, a nerve might die. If a nerve dies, then you got to decide whether you want a root treatment, which are not good, or you have an extraction. If you have an extraction, what are you gonna do about that? Do you want to leave it? If you leave the site, then the teeth either side could tip in or the opposite one could overgrow and cause problems with your bite. Yeah, makes sense. Have a problem with your bite that affects your posture.

How does a bite affect your posture? I think I sent you a study about the rat. Did you have a look at that? No, I didn’t. Okay. No, that’s fine. I’m a naughty boy. Sorry. Because I didn’t know you’d sent it. Sorry. I didn’t check. It’s all right. Sorry. There’s they did in a study in Italy and apparently they revised it a little while ago just to see if it was really true. And it apparently is. But I’ve seen it. If you’re if you’ve got a bite that is not the correct height and the correct way the teeth bite together.

it affects your posture. And yes, and it can affect your knees, your hips, your ankles, your whole, well, the whole thing through your body. Well, they did in Italy, they got some rats and I can’t remember the experiment exactly, but the gist of it is they got some rats and they anesthetized them and they built these special little racks to put them in, not to hurt them, but so that they could

make sure that they were all properly in a lined up and then they’d X-ray their spines. Then what they did was while the anapses rats were anesthetized, they built up, I think they built up a little bit of filling on one side so that their bites became uneven. Then they let them run around for a few weeks and then they anesthetize them again and they had a look at their spines. I think it was 80 plus percent of the ones where they changed the bite.

I developed a scoliosis. Oh, wow. Then what they did was that’s a curvature in the spine. Then what they did was they corrected it. They took the extra bit of filling off and even the bites up again. And then they let them run around and then again, anesthetize them and check to see what had happened. Most of them, but not all, most of them, the spine’s corrected and went straight again, holy moly. And I remember having a patient who had a hip problem and he had a denture that he’d worn down a lot because he was overclosing.

Ahmad (59:21.706)
You know, whole things, just everything’s connected. I say this all the time. Everything’s connected. But listen, I’ve just thought of another that’s mental study, by the way. I’ve just thought of another thing that people used to do in the past that was completely mental and dental history. I just thought about it. I mean, it might not be true, but I think it is that in the past and moms and dads would get their daughters teeth removed. That’s right. Give them 21 in particular in Scotland as a wedding present, as a wedding present. So they wouldn’t be a.

problem to their husbands. Yeah. And then give them these dentures. Is that true? Isn’t it? Yeah, I’ve heard that was true. Yes. I mean, come on. That’s absolute mental. Because then they wouldn’t be a cost burden to their husbands. Yeah. Because going to the dentist and getting your teeth taken out. I mean, that was a big deal. So you want, let’s just take all the teeth out and give them like these fake dentures. Yeah. And mental. Yeah. That was normal. How many problems did that cause for people? You know, and people then wear the dentures, then wear down and then you’ve got the, you’ve got all the monomers leaking out of the…

acrylic because you got, you know, BPAs in it and you’re in that in your mouth all the time. You know, this is what people don’t think about. So BPAs affect hormones, don’t they? Yeah. These plastic chemicals. I can’t remember the name, but they, yeah, they affect hormones. And then you have, you know, then you have, um, we used to put Fisher sealants on children, but then I learned that Fisher sealants, you know, particularly for boys because of the fire to Easter, not the fire to Easter is, but the estrogenic effects of the Fisher.

Fisher sealants where you have the back tooth and it’s got a deep fisher, the baby or the adult Fisher. Okay. Fisher. Yeah. So you’d put a sealant in to stop it decaying. But then, you know, again, that’s putting an estrogenic sort of compound in someone’s mouth that you know, it affect the boys. I mean, girls as well. But, you know, so there’s all these things we were doing and

Same with the white fillings, people go to the dentist. And so I’d say to my patients, look, if you have your tooth take now, if you have all your amalgams take now, you could end up with a nerve dying. Do you want a root treatment? You need to look this up. And if any patients came in and they needed a root treatment, I personally didn’t do them because I couldn’t hold the instruments very fine. I couldn’t hold them with my fingers. But I would always refer them to a website that would show that root treatments are actually probably not good for your health because I wasn’t allowed to tell them.

Ahmad (01:01:43.486)
And then they were given the choice. They could have an extraction or they could go and see someone who came into the practice who was very good at doing root treatments. Um, so you want to hear something really funny? Yeah. So back in 1998, my last year of med school, I went to see my, you know, the family dentists, you know, normal checkup. And I went and this very nice old glass region, posh glass region, looked me in the mouth, had a little look around and then he said, listen, son,

You’re in med school, aren’t you? I went, yeah. Can I give some advice to you as a fellow doctor, a dentist to a doctor? I went, sure. Never go see a dentist ever again. And I was like, what? I was like 22. You’re like, son, you’re doing a great job looking after your teeth. You don’t have a filling, you brush your teeth properly, your teeth are great. If you go to a dentist, I’m telling you son,

Most of them will do something to your teeth that you don’t need doing. You’ll get a filling, they’ll do something, and they’ll mess you up. I’m telling you, I’m fed up with my profession. I’m retiring. I’ve got nothing else to say now. I’m just saying, son, stay out of the dentist room. And I never forgot that. And I’ve been, I think twice to a dentist, purely just to get my teeth cleaned and I’ve said to them, I don’t want anything.

And you know, once they even said, oh, I think you could do with, I went, no, don’t, don’t you dare. Good for you. So in the last 25 years, I’ve been to a dentist twice only for teeth cleaning. Good for you. And my teeth are fine, they’re great. Good for you. This is why I’m here to empower people so people can understand that, you know, maybe, maybe as dentists, when we think we’re doing the best or we like to think we’re doing the best. I mean, years ago, they used to have something called the Australian Trench, where the Australian dentist used to come over.

and they just drill out a whole load of teeth, you know, and put fillings in children. And it’s interesting, because I’ve always wanted- So can I ask you something? Do kids routinely have to go to a dentist to have their teeth counted if they don’t have a problem? Or should they go, because nowadays the state of kids’ teeth is awful anyway? The state of kids’ teeth is pretty awful. And again, I think that’s due to toxins, because again, I’ve been doing research and I’m finding that-

Ahmad (01:04:05.682)
it disturbs the, you know, lead and particularly lead and cadmium. The teeth start to develop in utero, um, at just a few months. That’s all the baby teeth. And I’ve heard, um, lots of moms say, you know, when my child’s teeth came through, they were brown and we used to say, oh, hyperplasia, that could be due to, if you were, um, when you were pregnant, if you became dehydrated, that would affect the amelogenesis or the, the development of the tooth. But also, um, if.

that if there was an illness, you could work out which teeth were affected and what month the illness was. But I actually think there’s also toxins. This is it. You see, toxins are causing damage to everything. So these kids are coming in. So many people are emailing me and saying, oh, I keep my child has a fairly healthy diet, but they’ve got tooth decay and the dentist wants to fill it. And again, you see, we’ve been taught low fat diets.

but it’s all the good fats that you need to build the teeth. You’re right. You know, and to build your bones and you know, vitamin K is so important. And was it years ago, they’d say to people, oh, if you’ve got osteoporosis, my aunt was a prime example. She went to one of the top hospitals in London and they put her on calcium and vitamin D, not vitamin K2 in sight. And in 2015, they did some studies and they said, you know, people who have just vitamin D on its own are more likely to suffer from

heart problems and cardiovascular issues because of the calcium deposits and the vitamin K2, certain parts of it actually activate proteins that put the calcium where it should be in the teeth and bones. Yeah, 100%, 100%. And no one gets the vitamin K2. No. So they all get ad-cal. No. They’ll get ad-cal, calcium and vitamin D, but not the vitamin K2. So we’re setting them up for?

You know, I’m not, but you know, they’re being set up for maybe cardiovascular problems, you know, I just, people are giving their power away to their doctors and dentists and even some of the holistic practitioners, you know, which, and, and I don’t agree with the holistic practitioners that are saying to their patients, you need to have your amalgams taken out because you’ve got this problem and you’re not going to get well until you have your amalgams taken out. Can I tell you the, the detail? So basically.

Ahmad (01:06:28.166)
I remembered it, but I wasn’t a hundred percent sure. So I quickly looked up. So vitamin K two plays a central role in the metabolism of calcium. The main mineral found in your bones and teeth. Vitamin K two activates the calcium binding actions of two proteins, matrix GLA protein, and osteocalcin, which helps to maintain, build and maintain the bones and teeth. Yes. So it’s kind of like, you can’t be giving only part of the, cause without that

everything’s just wasted. Yeah, but it’s not wasted, but it’s going into the wrong places. Yeah. It’s been putting in the wrong places in the blood vessels. Yeah. No, I’ve heard that too. And yeah, because what happens is, yeah, because it inhibits the blood vessel calcification. You’re going to get calcification in your arteries and blood vessels, which leads to a whole host of problems. Absolutely. So, so quite often, you know, I used to actually, you know, you know, the elderly patients and even around the foot and ankle, you can see the artery because it’s been calcified.

You know, and, and yeah, of course they’re on adcal and are they on vitamin K two? No. And is it really atherosclerosis? Is it really, you know, the fact that they’ve got this heart disease or in vasculitis, cardiovascular disease, or is it actually they’re getting these supplements without vitamin K two and they’re just lining their arteries with this calcium deposit? You know, it’s interesting, isn’t it? There are so many questions that we need to be asking. You know, I, this is my, spend my life asking questions. Stop asking questions. You boo boo.

You crazy witch lady! I am a crazy witch, you know, but I don’t care. I just like to ask questions and I like to try and find the answers. And it just does my head in that I can’t remember all of it because there’s so much, you know, and diabetes and everything, everything. When you just go into the internet and you put in heavy metals, you just see what they’re doing to us. Hey! Sorry, you’re going to talk about detox. Oh yeah, I was going to talk about detox. So yes, I did all this stuff with Dietrich and…

So, because at that time it was chlorella and cilantro and yes, there was EDTA around, but they strip out their chemicals and they strip out all the good stuff. They leach everything out. Yeah. That’s what worries me. So, um, so we used to use chlorella and cilantro and it didn’t work for everyone. And it didn’t really work for me, although I was, you know, quite well. I had an, I went from being thyrotoxic at 16 and then being on carbimazole and, and then they put me on diazepam because I got depressed about putting weight on. And then, um,

Ahmad (01:08:52.674)
I, after, after I had this car accident, I ended up being high, having hypothyroidism. Oh wow. And the GP went mad because she said to me, I’ve never seen a TSH of 46 before had a TSH of 46. So I was put on, um, Lev thyroxine and I was on that 150 micrograms, the hundred then I went dropped down to 125. It was on that for years. And then after I lost everything,

I went through a bit of depression and feeling sorry for myself and why me. Kind of normal. Yeah. But, um, but I’m not a victim. So I had to stop that, but I suddenly decided I didn’t want, this is relevant to the detoxing. So I decided I didn’t want to take my thyroxine anymore. You know, so I just stopped, which was a pretty stupid thing to do. And then I started to learn that actually quite a lot of these synthetic thyroid hormones have aluminium in them. I was thinking, it was probably quite a good thing. I stopped. Same with the jabs.

Yes. And so I did have a healing machine and I was doing a little bit of healing for people. It’s a Russian healing machine, you know, keep it under the ground. And I met a guy and his mum wasn’t well, so I treated her for a bit. And then he said to me one day, oh, you know, I’d really like you to come on a call about some detox drops. And I said, no, do you know what, Sandy, I’m not interested.

Not, you know, my thing. I’ve been there, done that, you know, I’ve never found anything that really worked for everyone. I’m not interested. And anyway, I can’t afford to buy a bottle. So I nagged and nagged and nagged me and I went on a call and I think it was about glyphosate and I was just blown away what they were saying. And I thought, wow, I didn’t know any of this. So that’s that weed killer. That they put on there. It’s not only a weed killer. They put it on crops, but they also use it when they’ve harvested the crops to dry them.

Yes, I know that. Desiccated. I know that. Some of the worst things are chickpeas and oats. And people are having that every day and it causes leaky gut. And where people think they’ve got problems with gluten intolerance, it’s probably the glyphosate that’s the problem. So anyway, I, so I, I find that insane. And I think it’s, it’s because they don’t want it to go off.

Ahmad (01:11:13.226)
Like everything’s about money. They want to preserve it and they want to just sterilize. Cause look, if, if mold doesn’t want to eat it, how bad must it be? Think about it. It causes cancer. Yeah. Right. Um, you know, leaky gut. It used to be called roundup, roundup. That’s right. And someone, some guy in America won, I think it was 70 million or something for getting cancer because he was brain. Um, but they need to ban it over here. You know, there’s other ways of killing. You can still get it. Yeah.

You know what? I don’t even care about the weeds and the pavings and stuff like that. I think we used it once and I looked into it and I was like, holy fricking moly, this is BS. I don’t want this. It’s so bad for you. So bad for you. And then the animals as well, you know, all our pets are sniffing around it. And so, um, so anyway, I had, I was just blown away by this, you know, this is, this is me, I hear something. In summary, two things. Don’t drink tap water and what, just forget the weed killer business. Yeah. And try and get organic where you can, you know? Um, so.

I took these, so I bought a bottle of these drops and I thought, yeah, you know, just like everything else I’ve tried. I’ve got a couple cupboards full of supplements. You know, everybody said this was good. That was good. So I’ve got a couple of full of supplements. I’ll take them for about two weeks and think that made any difference to me. So what was the point? And then, you know, I give up. So anyway, I bought these drops and I started taking them and within two or three days I was sleeping through the night and I hadn’t done that for years. I used to get up and go for a wee two or three times. That’s me. Yeah.

I have to have the week I sleep through the night half the week. I need to get up once or twice and it’s annoying. And the nights that I sleep through the night are amazing. Well, I just think it’s cause I’m 48 now. I’ve got a tiny bladder. Well, that’s why I thought I was 57, you know, and had a, no, I was, no, I was 60 then, God, I was 60 when I started taking this. So anyway, so I started taking them and then I’d wake up every morning with the smelliest armpits on the planet. And I thought, Oh, you know, my armpits stink.

Well, after you’re taking these drops. Yeah. Okay. You’re not selling it to me. And so, yeah. And I thought, oh God, I’m going to stink like this every morning. You know, I mean, I’m on my own with the dogs and I put for dogs because they got. But that’s your detoxing. That’s it. Yeah. That’s what I realized, you see. And then I started to feel more energetic. Please, please tell me your armpit stopped smelling. Yeah, after two weeks. And then I started to feel more energetic. My brain was functioning more clearly. And I thought.

Ahmad (01:13:37.178)
Oh, I think I’m going to, but my first bottle lasted me nearly two months because you have to go slowly to start with. I thought, I think I’ll buy another bottle. I’ll find the money. So what’s the bottle? It’s, it’s, um, it says it’s a derived from zeolite. It’s called clean slate. Derived from what? Sorry. Zeolite. I’ve heard of that before. Yeah. I’ll talk to you about that because nano and things. So, so, um, anyway, I started taking them and I, and then they would.

doing calls every week, because it was a fairly new company from America. And the woman who created the product, her husband was the CEO, and he would have these talks with a research doctor who was American but lived in Norway. And they’d have different topics every week. They talked about heart disease and all sorts of things. And it was absolutely fascinating. And the testimonials were incredible. And it was like almost too good to be true, but I knew what had worked for me.

So, um, I carried on taking them and then I started to tell people about them. It was never in my, you know, it was never in my, um, I didn’t like supplements because as far as I was concerned, they didn’t work and they were wasting money, but this was different. So then I started taking, then, then my friend said, Oh, they’ve got a new atropic, you know, take that. And I thought, okay. So he sent me a couple to try and oh my gosh, I had the craziest dreams ever, ever. And I realized that I wasn’t tired after lunch anymore.

So I started to buy those as well. And then I started to tell people about them. And because it’s an affiliate scheme, I’m not gonna lie, it’s an affiliate scheme. I started to make enough money to be able to afford to buy them. And people were having such amazing results. And so they bought them and I was able to then buy my stuff and I started giving the drops to the dogs. And I noticed, I started to lose weight as well. And I thought, hmm, you know, I’ve stopped taking my hypoxic.

I’m losing weight. Um, I’m feeling so much better. My brain fogs going when I started taking the new tropics, I buy, I don’t read newspapers, I don’t have another television for what I don’t know about 17 years. I don’t read newspapers, but I used to buy the daily mail. I still buy the daily mail because in the middle page, Can I, can I, can I make a prophecy? One.

Ahmad (01:16:01.978)
So Sarah, my house in the daily mail yesterday or the day before, I don’t know if you know her doctor. And she was vilified and you know, listen to this person advocating dewormer animal dewormer all that, you know, it’s the same detox our dogs every month. They tell you to give your dogs the dewormer. Yeah. So it’s just, I’m just saying it’s just typical playbook. Andrew Wakefield was in it recently. Jane Donahan. The smear them. No, but why I’m pro the prophecy I’m making is one day.

I think not so long away from now, I will be on the daily meal and I will be disgraced, surgeon, struck off, investigated, anti-Semitic, dishonest, misogynist, what God, I don’t know what the hell, financial irregularities, something, they’ll make something up to disgrace me. I’m telling you right now, because the playbook is you suspend them, you investigate them, you sack them. That’s not enough.

That’s not enough. No, no, no. I found that when I went through all the stuff I went through. Okay, see, cause that’s not enough. Because the thing is, I realized that the reason why I’m such a threat to the establishment and the authorities is I’m an orthopedic consultant. I’ve got credibility. Yes. I’m quite articulate. I’m not as dumb as I say I am. And I’ve got a very low following. They hate that.

They hate that. Because you’re a big threat to them. I’m a big threat. So I need to be destroyed. I need to be dragged through the mud, everything. And then made an example. So take, for example, Sarah Myhill, she’s trying to get off the GMC register. And instead of saying, right, you’re off the register. They’ve just suspended her for another 12 months. She’s like, I don’t want, I don’t want, I don’t want this. You know, I’m suspended from the gentle register. I’ve been suspended for seven years indefinitely. So this is why I said, this is what I’m talking about. So I’ve looked…

Sarah Meyer was saying how she wanted to get out Jane Donahan. So I was looking at how do you get off the GMC register? It’s the most painful divorce. It’s almost impossible. It’s all on their side. Oh, of course it is. They decide whether they let go of you or not. Absolutely. So I’ve been suspended indefinitely for seven years. And the reason was, when my practice was taken, the bank took my dental practice. I had all the patient’s records locked up in filing cabinets.

Ahmad (01:18:21.666)
They took all the patient records, gave it to the trustee in bankruptcy.

Ahmad (01:18:28.166)
Um, well, I don’t know. I can’t really say, but anyway, he, um, he phoned up the general dental council and didn’t want to give his name, but he eventually gave his name. And, uh, he told them that he thought I was an anarchist and that I, he thought I didn’t have any indemnity insurance, which I did have, cause I wouldn’t be that dis I wouldn’t do that to patients. You know, I just wouldn’t. Um, but I did have, and he told them that, um,

I refused to take the records back because they’d taken the records. He kept them. And then I found somewhere else to work after they took my practice and he didn’t like that, that I’d actually had the audacity to go and rent some rooms somewhere and see my patients and I’d get them to phone him up and ask them for the records and he hated that. So then he wanted me to get all the records back and they were like 10,000 records, I didn’t have anywhere to put them. So I said, no, I can’t take them back. And then I’ve since found out.

that it was his duty to keep them anyway. But anyway, what he did was phoned up the general dental council and they wanted to have a hearing against me for being a danger to my patients for not looking after my patient records. And yet I had them all locked away in filing cabinets. I did everything that you’re supposed to do. And because I wouldn’t take them back, they were gonna have a hearing against me. And of course I didn’t go because by that time it caused me so much problems. I couldn’t work where I had been working. And then once you have a…

here and against you, people don’t want to let you go and work with them because they’re all frightened. Well, why can’t you just leave the general dental cancer? Oh, I’ve just, I just can’t be bothered with, I’ve just left it, you know, I don’t, I just, what, they have no hold over me. They’ve got me on permanent suspension, you know. I’m not really bothered. But why permanent suspension? Why don’t they just let you go? I don’t know, I’ve never asked them. I’ve never been in contact with them. It’s not really been, you know, a concern of mine. I think it’s insane. Anyway, I just, the prophecy is just watch. Yes.

I think one day not so far away from today, I will be in the paper all over. I’m sure you will. What an absolute joker Dr Malik is. What an absolute quack nut job. Well that’s the word they like to use isn’t it? But I buy it because… But you know what? I think most people can see the bullshit. I think most people will be like… More people are waking up to it now. Yeah I think it’ll be an ultimate badge of honour. Yeah I agree with you. I think it is. But so I buy the Daily Mail because it’s got this…

Ahmad (01:20:52.03)
Sudoku X in the middle. I could never do it. I could not work out how to do this bloody Sudoku X thing. I started to take this new atropic and I’ll tell you what, I could do it in 10 minutes now, I can just go and do it. And so to me, it’s like, I have to do this every day because I need to make sure my brain is working. And whereas before I’d get the little numbers and write them in the top corner. Don’t need to do that. Now I can just go and see all the patterns and just go, boom, done. And I’m like,

I was just so, I have to do this every day to make myself feel good. That’s my little fix that I can do this Sudoku puzzle in about 10 minutes that I couldn’t do before. Well, you’re paying that company. So what else do you do? And so you take these drops you talked about, what else is there must be? These Neutropics, they’ve really tightened my brain and you know, I’m really, and I have a lot more energy. Then they brought out some sachets, which, which

were really exciting to me because they had blacks, a nano emulsions, a black seed oil, turmeric, raspberry extract. I’d lost about two stone by then without even trying. And I thought, you know, I’m supposed to have an underactive thyroid. So losing weight is supposed to be really difficult. Yeah. I hadn’t changed my diet. I was still walking my dogs twice a day. So, um, I then started to take their, um, I’ve got these sachets and they tasted really nice and then.

Christina, who created all the products, she’s had Lyme disease, cancer four times, and she wanted to create products. She’s worked in big pharma, so she gets real hell for that because she’s worked for all the big companies, Pfizer, Biogen, Johnson & Johnson. But she did that so that she could learn as much as possible and get access to really pure products, pure natural products, and she GMO traces everything. So she made these sachets that have got loads of,

Apple cider vinegar, Conten Nano emulsions of apple cider vinegar, turmeric, black seed oil, raspberry extract, on a few other things, which I can’t remember all of them. And so I started to take those and they were great. And then she said about using them to put on, you can put them, put a bit topically on your skin, although it makes your skin go yellow. So best thing to do is at night wearing old clothes. And I had a goiter and I thought,

Ahmad (01:23:17.998)
Oh, it’s quite a big goiter. And I thought, I wonder what would happen if I put it on my goiter for nights in a row and my goiter shrunk. Oh wow. And I thought, no. Well, the thing is the skin does absorb. Yes, I know. And then, you know, I don’t know, was it Sarah Myho or someone, you know, Philly J I don’t know, but don’t put anything on your skin that you’re not prepared to eat. Exactly. So, you know, when you look at all the makeup and things that people use, so, you know, and, and the little girls are putting makeup on and I think, oh my God, all that.

Leading cadmium and everything that’s in them. Yeah. So anyway, I put this on my thyroid and my thyroid, the goitre shrunk and I kept thinking you’re just imagining it. And I also had to put some on my scars. And then I thought, do you know what? I think it’s about time I go and get a blood test done. See if you’re still hypo, hyper, whatever. And it was a locum GP that rang me up. And he rang me up to tell me that I was a bit anemic. But

I think that I’ll tell you why I think I was anemic, but, um, I had iron, D if I’m deficiency anemia. And I said, well, how’s my thyroid? And he said, Oh, absolutely fine. Your TSH is normal. Bear in mind, I hadn’t taken my thyroxine for three years. Oh, and I’ve been taking this stuff. And I said, Oh, I said, well, I haven’t been taking any thyroxine for ages. And he said, Oh, no, you haven’t. Have you? So I obviously haven’t been getting any prescriptions. And he, and, um,

He couldn’t believe it. And he just said, we’ll keep doing what you’re doing. And I’ve had two thyroid tests since then. Normal. Wow. And yeah, I was on 125 micrograms of thyroxine. And the reason I think, um, cause I’ve heard this from other people. I, I fell down a cattle grid a couple of years ago and got a blood clot in my leg and I, I got pain and I was really fortunate that I didn’t break my leg. And, uh, I was waking up in the morning with terrible pain.

back of my calf. And I thought I’ll go and see the GP. And I said to her, I think I’ve got a blood clench. She said, Oh, no, I don’t think you could have done. And I said, I think I have. So she examined me and said, well, I’ll send you for a blood test. She said, I don’t think you have. I get a phone call that evening saying your D diamonds are really high. You need to come back to the hospital. So I went to the hospital and then they kept me waiting. And then they did, and they did a chest x-rays to check that I didn’t have any pulmonary embolism and everything was fine.

Ahmad (01:25:40.438)
but they said to me, you need to come back next day for an ultrasound on your leg. I went back and the guy doing the ultrasound started laughing and I said, what? And he said, all the records that we’ve got here, they’re all saying that you don’t think you’ve got a blood clot, even though your D-diamonds are hard, but actually you’ve got two in your leg. So that was from the trauma, but it was also the leg where I’ve had the nerve tank, my cerebral nerve graft. So I think the blood flow is probably a bit slow because that leg’s always been a bit swollen. So…

They gave me revoxy pan. And from what I gather, other people have been on revoxy pan have problems with, um, anemia, deficiency anemia. Well, if it’s stopping the blood from clotting, you could be having small bleeds somewhere. Well, I don’t take it anymore. I just took it for a few months. Yeah. Um, but you know, it’s interesting. So

But yeah, I mean, I think the healthiest version of yourself is honestly one that’s not in any drugs. I agree. You know, I don’t take any. I haven’t taken any for years now. Only only a couple of weeks ago, I was taking a history of a patient and I was like, are you know, I’m a fit and healthy. And, you know, it’s just habit. Twenty five years of asking like this, because we’re taught like this presenting. Yeah, we are medical history. It’s like it comes off your tongue rope, doesn’t it? Yeah. Drug history. And actually, what I should ask is drug history first and then medical history, because I always say.

Are you otherwise fit and healthy? Have you got any medical conditions? No, I’m very fit and healthy. Okay. Are you on any drugs? Yeah. Let me just check. Let me just, they got a little piece of paper out of their wallet. And I’m like, and then it’s like, oh, I’m on this beta blocker. I’m on aspirin. I’m on a statin. I’m on a PPI. I’m on this heart drug. What’s that blue tap? I’m like, I don’t know. And then, and then suddenly they’re on like seven drugs. And I’m like, well, you said you’re fit and healthy. Yeah.

And honestly, 99% of patients will say that I’m fit and healthy. Yeah. I just happened to be on five plus drugs. And I think it’s normal because they think it’s normal. I mean, it’s normalized to think taking a low pharmacy of drugs is, is equivalent to being healthy. And it’s like, Whoa, no folks.

Ahmad (01:27:46.514)
Absolutely. I totally agree with you. And is trying to get that mindset to change. Yeah. But what they do is they’ve put, you know, one thing that I, I learned very early on, even though I wasn’t awake at the time was when I worked in the NHS practice, was I suddenly realized that people have just given their power away to the NHS, that, you know, they take no responsibility for themselves because they don’t have to. Yes. So I agree. Part of the problem is definitely like, who was it? I was talking to, oh God, I can’t remember now. I’ve spoken to so many people. I was speaking to this person, just

you know, recently about the fact that we complain, the doctors and the government, but we need to take responsibility. We have abdicated our responsibility. We have indeed. To have to be, we’re lazy. Yeah. We want a quick fix. Oh, just give me an injection, give me a pill. I’m not making any lifestyle changes. So that, so until we as a people, a society, a culture, sort our shit.

and get our act together and stop giving all these other people our power, our sovereign power. We ain’t fixing anything. Absolutely. But they they’re also doing it with some of the alternative practitioners. So go into that a little bit. Oh, by the way, can I just say something? I need to add this. I need to just say, I’m going to do a little plug-in. Most of my listeners listen to about 75 to 80% of the podcast, but like near the end, they just tails off and drops off.

So the ones who are still listening, I just want to say I love you. I mean it, I mean it. Cause I love my listeners. They send me such lovely messages. So many support. Cause I’m very human. I’ll be honest with you, like this week when my second hospital suspended me, like honestly it was ridiculous. I got a message saying, you know, we’ve received a notification that you did an Instagram post of this person called Ava Bartlett. It lacked context.

you know, we think it would be offensive to people in our community and our staff and blah, and patients and we’re suspending you. We’re doing investigation and suspending you. This is a private hospital. What business is it to do what I do on my Instagram, who I’ve, and it wasn’t even my opinion. It was my guest talking on that clip. Who cares what I do, what my, I’m giving a platform. I have the right to offend.

Ahmad (01:30:02.806)
I have the right for freedom of speech and to give a platform to anyone I like. I agree. But apparently that’s not allowed. So I got suspended and you know, I was holding on to my medical practice because I’ve already lost 80% with the first suspension. This is my second hospital that’s gone. Like literally I’m holding on with one finger and you know what it’s like when you run a practice, if you lose 40, 50% of your practice, you, you don’t make, you don’t break even. Like the profit is like 25, 30% of what your practice is and you need to earn a certain amount to actually.

pay your indemnity, pay all your fees, your overheads, your room rental, your secretary costs, your billing, everything. It’s a massive amount. You know, to run a practice in London, nowadays, you need to be earning about 50,000 pounds just to break even. And if you don’t make that 50,000, you’ve lost. I’m nowhere near that. Like with like this week I saw one patient, you know, you can’t run a practice like that. Right. So financially now I’m just totally crippled. So the second hospital suspended me and honestly,

I felt like crying. There’s, there’s times when I felt like crying, like I’m a really good surgeon, like really. I mean, it’s crazy, but the reason why I married to my wife is like we fell in love over the operating table. She, she didn’t fall in love with me because of my great looks. No, no, no. She fell in love with me because I had a great sense of humor, fantastic taste in music, apparently that’s what she’s telling me. And she really thought I was a fantastic surgeon. The way I held a knife and operated.

She was just saying, you’re amazing. Like you’re one, I don’t know any surgeon that I’ve ever seen operate as well as you. And I’m being robbed of that. For what? For talking to people like you and spreading the truth? Anyway, I just want to say thank you to all the listeners who send me messages on a daily basis and make me realize that I’m not mad, I’m not crazy. That, you know what, something better will happen for me. That like this lady, Rosie emailed me.

today and I’ve made it into a sub stack Rosie’s message to Doc Malik. It was a beautiful message. It was about her grandfather being Burma and the second war and trauma and how I kind of reminded her of him and the battles that we have to go through. So anyway, I just wanted to quickly say that to all my listeners. Thank you and keep sending this messages of support because it really helps me. Because your listeners, they’re going to keep you going. And I think so. Yeah. Cause I don’t have any sponsors. Oh, that’s another thing this week. I sponsor.

Ahmad (01:32:27.07)
My first ever company that was said, oh yeah, we want to sponsor you. The founder said, I love you. Um, it’s not someone I’ve recently interviewed. He was meant to be coming on my show. It’s a product I use, um, an electronic, you know, software product for the computers and then I wanted to, you know, get them because I used them and I really like it and the founders like, yeah, come on your show, email this person, get the sponsor definitely. I mean, it’s everyone emails backwards and forth. So it’s already here’s a code, blah, blah. Let’s go live.

And then suddenly, oh, by the way, our media team got in touch with me. And I realized that actually you’ve got quite a significant social media reach and some of your topics might offend or trigger, trigger the community, our community. And for that reason, we can’t move forward and the founder won’t be coming on your podcast. And we love what you’re doing. And unfortunately, we just can’t help.

you know, support your work with you in partnership at this moment in time. And I thought how cowardly. That’s their loss. That’s their loss. Just look at it as their loss. Yeah. And how sad. It’s not your loss. It’s their loss. I’ve been canceled so many times. So I am literally now being supported by about 400 subscribers on my subsite, even though 30,000 people are listening to this podcast every week. But 400 golden angels are looking after me, paying £3.50 a month.

And I would say to the other 30,000, if you’re listening, for God’s sake, please help me. I mean, it’s less than one call, less than a coffee a month for 12 to 15 podcasts. We’re fricking smashing. I mean, these are blistering conversations. Absolutely. I mean, you know, like I said, I ended up with nothing. I, you know, I had a small NHS pension that just paid for my flat and, um, you know, now I’m okay. And all I can say is there is a reason behind it. God knows what it is.

He knows you don’t and you will find out and you have to go through this shit sometimes to come out the other side. You know, someone once said to me, you will be given a great big pile of dung and at the bottom of that pile of dung, there will be a diamond. Most people stop. They give up and stop looking for it. But if you carry on, it will be there.

Ahmad (01:34:47.114)
And it certainly is, you know, I am so much happier than I have ever been. I never thought I’d be happy again after I lost my dental practice. I thought I had no purpose in life. You know, what the hell was I going to do? What else could I do? My children were grown up. They didn’t need me. Um, but I’ve got a fantastic grandson now. My daughter’s pregnant. She takes the detox drops. She takes a root clean slate because she doesn’t want to have problems with her baby. Um, they, my other daughter had a baby. He’s two. He’s never.

been vaccinated. Oh, you’re crazy anti-vaxxers. Well, all my children had their vaccines, you know? Um, and I had the, um, hepatitis B vaccine because that was, that was the right thing to do at the time. But knowing that you, what you know, would you go back and do any of that? Well, I had to, no, but I can’t change time. So I have no regrets. I try not to regret anything. No, no, just as in like, no, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t put my children through it.

But they’re all fine, you know, um, and they, they’re all detoxing all the time. They’re all great. Um, my grandson’s fantastic. And so I, you know, that they think I’m there, well, they’re really happy for me because they think I’ve really turned a corner and they can see that I’m, you know, back to me and my eldest daughter, she lives in Guam. And she said to me, she’s so happy that I am, you know, uh, found a purpose.

Her husband is in the American military. He had to have a booster. He was sent to Lithuania for a week. Day after he had his booster and ended up spending the whole time in ICU because he had pericarditis. Four men from his unit, and they’re all in their early 30s, very fit young men, all ended up with heart problems having, but they were told nothing to do with the jab.

These are fit military recruits. Yes. And so I’ve given him, I, because I send my daughter in Guam, all of the products and there’s a particular one that helps with the heart. The last echocardiogram he had, it was in, I think it was January, 2021, when he had his heart attack was no, or 2022 when he had the heart attack or that not the heart attack, the pericarditis and ended up in ICU, the last echocardiogram he had recently, normal, normal.

Ahmad (01:37:13.61)
So I’ve got them all detoxing because you know, the vaccines have got heavy metals in and when, when it comes to nanoparticles, they’ve put nanoparticles in them. There’s graphene oxide. A lot of people are asking me about the graphene oxide. Is there graphene oxide in where? In these mRNA jabs? Apparently so. I don’t know. I mean, I, you know, I, apparently so, but then they, they say they’re in some of the antibiotic capsules. I’ve heard that it’s in San Pellegrino.

I think they hide, maybe they’re hiding it in lots of things, but I’ve, a lot of people are practicing, are contacting me and saying, you know, I’m really worried about having a dental anesthetic because there are people now that are showing that it’s in the dental anesthetics. Really? Yeah. And they’re showing with magnets and everything. And my answer is that is I, I had all my amalgams. So I’ll be honest with you. A lot of this stuff that’s out there, I don’t know. I just think there’s so much confusion and I think a lot of it’s fear mongering as well.

This is what I’m trying to say. I think a lot of it is deliberate fear mongering and designed to discredit and scare and confuse. So just like I don’t listen to mainstream media, I don’t go. I’ve come off all the telegram channels and all the cause like, I don’t want to live in fear. I totally 100% agree with you. Cause you know what? That gives them power. Absolutely. That’s the one thing that gives them power. So when people write to me and say that, I just say to them,

I’m not worried about it. And I just say to them, because if it is there, they’ve hidden it in loads of things. And because I detox every day, I’m not worried about it. And we give them too much power. We think that they’ve sussed it all out and they’re all omnipotent and no, no. Look, look, just stop drinking tap water and get some clean, healthy water. Eat proper good food that’s not processed, not garbage, not high in carbohydrates, not…

full of fructose corn syrup, inverted syrup, E numbers, preservatives and garbage. Sleep well, go to sleep properly, turn off your wifi at night. And try and get stress out of your life. Stress out your life. Do a bit of exercise, not too much exercise. And what’s the other thing I was gonna say? Love, companionship, connection. Yes. Isolation is bad. Yes, I agree, I agree. I’ve got my animals, I’ve got my children. So I’m, you know, and I go out and I,

Ahmad (01:39:40.526)
Connect with nature, sunlight’s really important. Stopping the blue light at night time with all the devices. If you’ve got to use your device, get some blue light blocking glasses. I need to do that, yeah, yeah. You can get them really cheaply, but you know, you’ve got to wear blue light blocking glasses. Go out and get some sunlight, particularly in the morning. Well, the morning’s the blue light, the nighttime is where you get more of the red light. I’ve got one of my friends, I just bought a…

near infrared sauna, portable sauna from my friends that arrived this morning. I’ve got a near infrared toothbrush that’s new, that’s out. I’ve heard about that. That I use. And so I do what I can. I’m not perfect. You know, I do have a sweet tooth and I do love chocolate. Me too.

But I have dark chocolate. I think you need to be, I think you need to, yeah. And then they say that chocolate’s got cadmium and stuff in it. And I just think, do you know what? I detox every day. I’m careful with a lot of things. I’m not perfect. I do enjoy myself. If I want a glass of wine, I have a glass of wine. Because one of the worst things is if you get yourself so worked up about everything, then you’re gonna get stressed inside. I’ve got a friend who’s got, you know, who has to do everything absolutely perfectly.

And she said, Oh, I’d love to have a glass of wine. Have one. Oh no, because it’s bad for you. Have a glass of wine because if you’re thinking about and you’re stressing about it, that is gonna be bad for you. So just have your glass of wine and don’t feel guilty about it. You know, that’s the way I live my life. Just, you know, do what you can to mitigate all this crap that’s going on around you, but don’t get so obsessed with it that it’s gonna rule your life because that’s not, that’s not living. It’s not. So can I ask you something Marina, you gave up.

dentistry, turn that chapter. So what are you doing now? What am I doing now? I help, you know, I actually help a lot of people talking them through all these detox products and things, you know, that’s become a really big part of my life. Although it never set it out to do that. I am seeing such amazing results with autism, with psoriasis, with all sorts of things. And some of them I could actually cry, you know, and I’m on the internet a lot and I,

Ahmad (01:41:56.386)
talking to a guy in Lithuania who’s had problems after he had the vaccination. And he’s telling me for the first time now, he’s thinking clearly and he’s so happy and he wants to do video editing and do stuff that he really enjoys. And so, you know, I’m still changing people’s lives and who would have thought it just by talking to them about some stuff that, you know, this is the zeolite and there are lots of zeolites around, but.

And the other big thing is nano. And you’re going to say about exactly, you’re going to talk about supplements and nano, why it’s all garbage and… Well, nano, people think the big buzzword is nano. And the trouble with nano things like, now you can go in the shops and you can buy nano silver, that I would keep away from, do not take nano silver, colloidal silver. Colloidal silver is okay. Nano hydroxyapatite, that’s the other big one for toothpaste.

You can go into the shops now and get nano zinc in the health food stores. Um, anything that is like a nano mineral is probably genotoxic. Um, I did talk to someone who used to work in a government department where they did a lot of research on this and she’s really worried about it because these particles are so tiny, they get into the DNA and they also cause inflammation. So that doesn’t sound good.

Nano, nano hydroxy appetite causes, I think it’s inflammation of the kidneys. There’s someone going around selling nano clay to get rid of the graphene oxide and it’s really cheap and it’s great, you know, but the nano clay that causes, um, inflammation in the fibroblasts. Um, so I would caution anything that is all nano, unless it’s, you know, I think things like there’s nano soma, there’s, there’s nano emulsions. They’re okay because they, you know, that.

But when you have all these minerals, nanomineral, they’re genotoxic. And they’re, but not only that, they cause inflammation because they’re such tiny particles. So, you know, even the nano zeolites, people are saying, oh, nano zeolites, but these particles are so tiny, how can they get out really big toxins? And, you know, again, they’re very sharp little things, these tiny, tiny little things. And when you look at nano, if you look at nano silver,

Ahmad (01:44:21.874)
Um, that is, um, can cause an necrosis in the brain. So, but there’s people going around selling nano. I think there’s a new nano silver toothpaste come out and I’m thinking, Oh, for God’s sake, you know, people are just jumping, jumping on the bandwagon. Yeah. They’re jumping from out the frying pan into the fire. Do you know what? I know nothing about zeolites. I know zeolites are hydrated aluminum.

It’s a natural crystal. It’s the natural detoxifier crystal. It’s silica is in great big part of the world. And I think it was the Romans and the, no, not the Amazons. There’s some other tribe. They used to align all the waterways with clean octilolite because clean octilolite is the crystal. And it’s very high. It’s silicon, aluminosilicate.

but it’s very highly bound. So it doesn’t let off the aluminium. The only one that does is one that is a synthetic one, but they don’t like it to be called synthetic. They say it’s lab-made, so that makes it pure. Because clean octilalite has a crystal lattice and it’s very highly negatively charged. So it really grabs onto toxins. But unless you get a very pure source, it will be, it will be.

grabbing onto toxins that it will come already filled with toxins, all the crystal lattice will be filled with toxins. And a lot of the companies wash them, they wash the crystals in acid to get rid of all the toxins and they clean them up and then they micronize them and they make them really small into tiny little nanoparticles and put them in water and then they sell them as a nano zeolite. They can’t use the word clean-optil-olite because clean-optil-olite would be a pharmaceutical.

and then they’d have to go through all the pharmaceutical things. What the company that I work with do is they’ve taken, um, chelanoptilolite, a very pure form that, um, comes from a mine. Cause it’s actually zeolites. The word zeolite is a family of crystals, which includes. Yeah. I think it’s about 40. Yeah. There’s quite a lot of them. It includes quartz. It includes chelanoptilolite, erudite, asbestos, bentonite. So, um,

Ahmad (01:46:40.662)
But they use that, you know, they talk about zeolites. But, and you can get that, people use that to clean their fish tanks. You can get powdered ones that you can take into your gut to clean your gut out. And it does take out, if you’ve got clean, clean octilolite, it would bind very highly strongly to all the toxins and take them out of your body. Now what Christina’s done is she has, she did nano, she studied nanotechnology and biotechnology at Harvard.

and she’s found a way of fracking the crystals because there are research papers that show you get a lot of bioavailable silica, which is very healing from clean octilolite. So she’s found a way of fracking it to release about 67% of silicon dioxide, or orthosilic acid, which is very healing. The rest of the clean octilolite crystals that are in it, she then…

puts through a process of polarization to make them even more highly negatively charged. They bind onto the toxins and get them out through the urine. Because you don’t want mineral gapping, when you pull out all the toxins at the receptor sites, the receptor sites are left open and you want minerals to go in. And so if you’re taking a zeolite, you should really be taking a mineral supplement. But what she’s done is put inland sea salt with trace minerals in it.

in the solution. So you don’t get mineral gapping. You get the minerals flooding in like magnesium, selenium. So, do you know what? I have to confess, I knew nothing about clinoptalite. It is the detoxifying crystal. So this is fascinating. So you probably know this, but just I’m educating myself and my listeners. It’s got many applications due to its effect as a molecular sieve. And

It’s used as an aggregate in horticulture as an additive to cattle feed and as an additive in household products. And it was used on a large scale in the nuclear disaster. The mineral was used on the one hand as an ion exchanger in cleaning plants to treat radioactively contaminated wastewater. So it’s cleaning out the water and cleaning plants to treat radioactively contaminated wastewater. On the other hand, it was added to cattle feed.

Ahmad (01:49:02.526)
in order to bind and eliminate radioactive cations, such as cesium as an ion exchanger in the digestive tract. Wow. Because what are they doing to us? They’re putting us full of metals when they turn on the 5G.

We become antennae. Yeah. So this cleans out, you know, I don’t know about that. I’ve heard about this stuff. I need to get Amin Jaby on. Are you know Amin Jaby? You heard of him? No, he’s a 5G expert. I mean, I, you know, I, all I know is that, um, yeah, all I know is that I feel amazing. My daughter who had headaches, she used to get migraines. It’s quite funny because I put my two, I got all my children a bottle and said, right, here you are each have a bottle. My eldest daughter.

She was a personal trainer, so you see it really clean and healthy, she’s the one that lives in Guam now, who’s pregnant. And she said to me, mom, it didn’t make much difference. And I said, fine, because I don’t, my children, they’re grown up, they have their own choices. And then she rings me up and says, I just realized all my anxiety’s gone. We’ve had people with anxiety, their anxiety’s improved. Their surrises improved. No, but I, you know, the reality is being…

you know, full of these toxins is affecting us on every system. So when I spent time with Sarah Myhill, part of it, I mean, she talks about how, what the problems are, are we have a problem with energy delivery and that energy delivery is failing for whatever reason. And part of it might be a deficiency in key nutrients, or it might be where you’ve got an abundance of toxins and you need to get rid of these. You need to supplement the nutrients and, and

fill those up and get rid of all the toxins. And everything, you know, your brain, your mind, your gut, your immune system, everything’s linked. I totally get it. Absolutely. So I said, my eldest daughter, her anxiety went and all her digestive problems went. My youngest daughter rings me up as well and says, oh, mom, it hasn’t really worked for me. And I said, fine. Two weeks later, she phoned me up and said, oh, my migraines are back. I remembered I used to get migraines because people forget when they have symptoms. You know, I found that in dentistry.

Ahmad (01:51:13.034)
they’d have symptoms and then you’d make them better and then you’d and then they completely forgotten they had that particular problem. You must find that.

Ahmad (00:01.63)
Yeah, I was just saying, so, you know, I just, I just feel great. And I just think people need to find what works for them and do what works for them. But like you say, clean water is so, so important. And, you know, getting the other stuff right, not too much exercise, some exercise and doing all of that. And with the dentistry, I think, you know, it’s all very well having your amalgams taken out, but there are consequences.

I’ve already discussed some of them. There are people that have had their amalgams taken out and then they go and see a biological practitioner who says, you need all your amalgams taken out, you need these root filled teeth pulled out, and then you’ve got some cavitations, they need to be done. And I’ve been on Facebook and seen people who’ve done all of that and some of them can’t get out of bed and they’ve got kids and they can’t do anything with their kids. So you’re talking about this, about this drive of biological dentists. Do you think a lot of them are a little bit

unscrupulous. I don’t think they’re unscrupulous. I think they genuinely believe what they’re doing is right. It’s very much like what you said. You have overheads. So you’ve got a practice to run and you’ve got your nurse to pay for. You’ve got your premises. You’ve got all the materials. Dental materials are really expensive and you want to go and save the world. So you don’t and I think… But you know what’s really, really funny? So over the last few years, my practice has been getting smaller in size in terms of how much money I was turning over.

because I was operating on less people. So my conversion rates, you know, gone from like 20% plus to less than 5%, because as the years went by, I realized actually I don’t need to operate on this patient. Actually what I need to do is help them lose weight. I need to help manage their stress, optimize their sleep. Their pain will naturally get better with- Educating them. And as I did that, I actually ended up earning less.

And then what I thought was actually what I need to do is not spend so much. I’m earning less, which means I need to spend less. So I got rid of the nanny because it was, it was, it was got to a point where the nanny was so expensive. I needed to work like a crazy person just to pay the nanny. And then I thought, why am I working so much? And it’s all going to the nanny. I might as well just stop working. I’ll just work two and a half days a week. And actually I guess what I’ll do all the childcare and, and you know what? We’ve got an eight year old car.

Ahmad (02:28.014)
carry on using it. There’s no point getting a new car and debt and all this kind of stuff. And all my friends and colleagues are like driving up in the private, you know, hospital car park with the latest Wizz, you know, car, Tesla, four by four, every year getting a new car. And I pull up in my little old, you know, people carrier, Citroen, eight years old, seven seater. And I had my colleague saying to me, dude, what’s wrong with you?

why are you not getting a BMW or Mercedes? And I was like, because I don’t have the money. Oh, you know. It’s just for show. Just for show. But the thing is, this is how you get into a trap. Oh yeah, but everybody’s like that. And you know, where I live, the schools are pretty good. But like my friends and colleagues were saying to me, oh, why are you not sending your kids to private school? I was like, because I can’t afford it. Well, that’s you being a really bad dad. I went, what? Yeah, no, I kid you not. And I was like, wow. Yeah, one of them said that. And I said, dude,

What’s worse, working like a crazy person and sending your kids to a private school and you’re never there for them, or you don’t send your kids to a private school and you’re there dropping them off, picking them up, spending time with them, putting them to bed, doing bath time. And he goes, I don’t do any of that stuff. I went, well, I do. And he goes, you sound more like a housewife. I mean, that’s the kind of misogynistic sexist mentality. So

You know, I, so I was starting to earn less and less and, but actually it was great because I was changing my lifestyle. Yeah, but you have a better life balance. Right. And that’s where I think a lot of people have lost their way. But that’s what I lost weight. I, my wife and I went on this journey. I, I reversed my type two diabetes, my hypertension, my fatty liver. I lost a lot of weight. My wife lost a lot of weight. My wife looks shit hot. You know, I’ve got more energy now when I’m 48 than when I was, when I was like 38.

That’s how I feel. And I’ve got colleagues, all my colleagues my age, who are overweight, who look like shit, but they’ve got that big flash cars, they go on these big expensive holidays, and they’ve got the mistresses, I’m joking, I mean, maybe, I actually know they are. And you know, there’s just lifestyle that they need to fund, but then with it comes this kind of like almost, I hate to say this, it’s slightly unethical practice because you’ve got a patient in front of you and there’s a chance that you could treat them non-operatively.

Ahmad (04:43.606)
But now that patient wants the quick fix, you got bills to pay, so guess what? They’re gonna go, I’m not gonna get into trouble for operating on this patient. The patient wants this, I’ll give it to them, and I need the money. And what I’ve done is the opposite, say, no, you shouldn’t have an operation, you should wait. And I’ve actually, honestly, in the last couple of years, the only complaints I’ve had are for patients who said, he never wanted to operate on me. And I’m like, yeah.

I, you don’t need an operation. Like I had this patient who complained that she had an operation that botched things up and could I do the operation again? And I said, the reason why it didn’t work was that was the wrong operation. You should never have had it. And she was like, well, can you do it again? I was like, you want me to do the same operation? Think it’s going to make, you know, no, it doesn’t make sense. I was like, no, but what she wanted was a pretty foot and a bump taken away, but that would never fix it because underlying arthritis was so severe. She needed a fusion, but she didn’t want a fusion. She wants to wear high heels.

which she hasn’t worn for three years because her big toe hurts so much. So now what she wants me to do is shave a little bit of bone away thinking that’s gonna fix it when actually it’s not, but she won’t accept it. Now there’ll be lots of surgeons who’ll be like, oh, you know what, Sud, this, yeah, fine, we’ll do it. And if it doesn’t work, we’ll blame you. But I was like, I don’t even wanna go there because I know what’s wrong in the first place. This is what I feel about the dental stuff. Right, and so the problem is.

A lot of doctors will go along with it because they won’t get into trouble because the patients want it, they make money from it, the private hospitals like it because they make money out of it. And the dictates, the national guidelines are all saying follow this pharmaceutical, you know, interventional driven pathway. It’s not holistic, it’s not natural. So you know, as soon as you start practicing like me, your income starts to drop and you’re like, you know, honestly, I was fine with it because you start stripping things away. So we’re not going to have a nanny.

we’re not going to buy a new car. We’re going to be careful. We’re going to just, you know, recycle our clothes. You know, if you look at the kids clothes, we stitch up holes and you know, knit things up and you know, like right now, I’ll show you when we go back in, I’ll show you my training shoes. I even the shoes I’m wearing right now, they’ve got cracks and holes and I don’t care. You know, it’s just better than having to just pay for it. And you know, one of my boots, I even like glued a hole that was in it and it works. Yeah, it’s amazing what you can do. And it’s actually, everything I had to say. And it’s actually environmentally better as well.

Ahmad (07:07.37)
Because this whole idea of just chuck things out and get a new thing and chuck that’s waste. It’s damaging our ecosystem. So I’ve just come out of that whole rat race and my mentality is now so much different and I’m fitter, healthier as a result. And this week I was really sad. You know, one of my colleagues came into my room and I was waiting for that one patient and he was like, Oh, I’m sorry to hear what’s going on in your life, but you look pretty okay. I was like, yeah, I’m all right. You know, I’ll survive. It’s shit. But I feel like a b****.

caterpillar that’s gone into a cocoon. And you know, I’m not sure if- I said you will come out of this. Yeah, I’m not sure if I’m- Like a butterfly, I’m sure you will. Well, I think I’m gonna come out like a hairy moth, but anyway. Well, whatever. I think you’re gonna come out of it just fine. You know, I did. And I was- But you know what he said? You know what he said to me? He goes, he goes, oh, you know what? Oh yeah, I can deal with that. Oh man, you know, life is stressful enough. And I was like, yeah, but listen, mate.

get fit, healthy, look, you’ve put on weight since your holiday, come on, lose weight. That’s not the food. You know, it’s a drink. I went cut back. And he goes, there’s no way I’m cutting back. No way. So what’s he trying to dull? You’ve got it. So I said, why, why won’t you cut back the alcohol? And you know what he said? He goes, life won’t be worth living. So if you say that’s existing, he’s existing. He’s existing on a, on a, on a, on a

And I’m trying to, I’ll treadmill, isn’t he? He’s just, you know, earning the money to keep the lifestyle going and keep up appearances and he’s not enjoying himself. And that’s the problem. Yeah. And then he goes to me, so tell me, what do you do for fun? And I went, I love playing with my kids. I love watching the chickens. I love exercising, running, doing Jiu-Jitsu. I spend time with the wife. I’m having sex with the wife. And he goes, um, huh. I went, huh? What do you mean?

You wouldn’t want to have sex with your wife. You guys would rather drink to be honest. What the heck? There’s so many people like that just existing. Whereas you see, I, I go out today. I walked my dogs and I was going through this little wood and I was thinking the sun shining and I was looking at all the pretty colors. And then I noticed all these toadstools and I looked at them and I thought, Oh, cause I left my phone in the car and I thought, I wish I had my phone with me. I would have taken a picture. Always funny arrangements. And it was in a circle around the tree.

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was like, Oh my gosh, you know, and I just thought, Oh, it’s just so lovely. And how many people, when I was, when I was working as a dentist and I was dropping the kids off at school and doing whatever I was doing, I never went out and saw the countryside now I pick slows. I, you know, I, I’ve got a app on my phone that I, it’s called, um, Oh, I can’t remember what it’s called, but it’s, it’s an app where you take a picture of a plant or a leaf or a

room or something and it will tell you what it is. And I’m like, oh, so I take pictures of all sorts of things now. And I just think, how lucky am I that I get to see nature as it is, whereas I didn’t before. I was in a car driving here, there and everywhere and you see the fields. And that was it. But I never got to enjoy it because I never had time. And now I have the time and I enjoy spending time with my grandson. He’s fantastic. He goes to a forest school. So life is great. You know, and I, and

I think we just need to touch on about the, um, gums cause that’s really important. You need to get really healthy. Let’s go back to the gums. Yeah. Sorry. Because it’s really important one. Cause a lot of dentists, you know, they, everyone keeps going on about, that’s the other thing, you know, sorry to go back, but when I, when I started to heal with all this stuff that was going on with me, my thyroid and everything, I also noticed my gums got really healthy and I realized that my gut had improved and that

We were always taught holistic, well, we were always taught, you know, it’s the mouth that causes problems with the gut. And then you get the diabetes and you get all the other problems and the heart disease and it starts with the mouth. And then I was also on Facebook and some women said she’d had surgery on, she had gastric surgery to weight loss surgery. And since she’d had the surgery done, she was asking a group of dentists. She was saying, my, um, gums have got worse and my teeth have got worse.

And they’re all saying, Oh, it’s because you’re eating sweets and you’re not brushing properly. And she said, no, that’s not true. And it suddenly a little light went on in my head and I thought, since my guts improved, my gums have improved and I don’t need, I haven’t got any tartar building up because I always had a bit behind my lower front teeth. Same, same. And I thought, so my, my gums have improved. I don’t clean as well as I used to. I don’t floss. People are always asking me what toothpaste I use. I don’t use toothpaste hardly ever. Don’t need to.

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I don’t have bad breath. I don’t have a, I don’t have a furry tongue anymore. And I thought, so it’s my gut that’s healed. So I need to do a bit of research on this because it was this woman saying about her and she said, Oh, I belong to a group where a lot of people have had weight loss surgery. And they’re all saying that their oral health has gone downhill. And so I thought, this is different to what we’ve been told that it, we’re told it’s, it’s all to do with the oral microbiome and that affects the gut microbiome.

So I went searching on the internet and came across a dentist called Dr. Dale Annenberg. Sadly, he’s passed away this August. And I started to listen to his, some interviews he’d done. And he was talking about how he got multiple myeloma and he believes it was all the mercury and everything. And he went on a carnivore diet and which, you know, I’m not sure about. I, I’m not a hundred percent. I’m 80%.

I’m not, yeah, I’m not sure. I do think we need the animal fats and everything. And I’m in practice, I’ve got vegetables and that’s still take. And, and having been in practice and seeing vegans, and this is not anti-vegan because I do believe that there are probably some people that thrive on a vegan diet, um, all the ones that came into the dental practice always had really, really bad gum disease, really bad gum disease, you know, and they were young people and I think, why have you got so much bone loss? And, um, so.

So I think it all starts with the gut. And then I came across Al Dannenberg and I started to listen to his stuff. And I thought, he’s saying exactly what I’m thinking. And he’s read all the research and everything. And he says it’s to do with the gut. You get the gut healthy, the mouth will get healthier, but you still need to sort out local problems in the mouth. But you don’t need to, he says that plaque is good unless it becomes bad plaque. And what he means by that is you do need to have

good plaque on your teeth because it has some functions. And the functions of plaque are, if it’s healthy plaque, is that some of the bacteria, because there’s like 700 different species of bacteria in the mouth, some of them, you’ve got good and bad, and it’s like everything. Everything has to be in balance in your gut, in your mouth. You’ve got to have everything’s in balance. And if you start getting rid of all the bad stuff, then some of the good stuff will become bad. And he says,

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that if you’ve got good plaque, then some of the bacteria there will produce hydrogen peroxide, which kills off some of the bad bacteria. He also says that it acts like a barrier and it gets the minerals into the root. And it also, some of the bacteria create a buffer in the mouth so that you keep the pH at 5.5 and it doesn’t drop the acidity. So I mean, you can listen to his podcast and some of his interviews, they’re brilliant. Dr. Al Dannenberg.

Um, and he’s also written a book about carnivore stuff. Um, and so what he said, said in these interviews just made so much sense to me, really resonated with me. And I thought, this is what we should be teaching patients is getting your gut healthy once you’ve got your gut healthy, keeping the mouth healthy. And he says, you don’t need to go and see a hygienist. You don’t, flossing in actual facts bad for you because you’re pushing all the bacteria down under the gum. Her guy’s dead. Yes, he died. He died. Um,

when he had multiple myeloma. So sad. I mean, his interviews are phenomenal and he talks about xylitol. You know, xylitol is very highly processed. That stops the pellicle from forming on your teeth and that stops the biofilm. So, that’s- Everything you’ve just said, Seb Lomas, the biological dentist that I’ve had on, I haven’t published a podcast yet. I’m running like 10 episodes behind, by the way. It’s crazy. I’ve just interviewed too many people. Everything you’ve just said.

He said, look, it’s not about just the gut, the mouth health. It’s actually the gut first. He goes, I’ve, I’m convinced. It is the gut first. You’ve got your, get your gut healthy. Your mouth will follow and it kind of is counterintuitive. You think the math, the track is the beginning of the tube system, you know, and then this, no, no. He goes, get that sorted. Absolutely. And I kid you not, like I started out my diet and you know, a transition like four or five years.

from that heavily processed carbohydrate garbage, which I thought was healthy, that was healthy. Because that’s what they’ve told us. Yeah, that’s what they’ve told us. You know, no fats. I used to look at fat and go, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and now. And all the vegetable oils that are so inflammatory that we find out now. Exactly, I had all that. So we got rid of all that. And it’s mainly animal based with a little bit of vegetables. And my wife just made the most amazing beef stew, cheap beef cuts, nice, slow cooked, bit of carrots in there, onions, garlic.

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Tasty and so nutritious. And then potatoes and beef dripping and you know, Savoy cabbage with butter, right? And it’s a top-notch meal, easy to make. My wife and I did it together because we’re a team. It’s amazing, epic meal. And the thing is like, over the years, I used to be like scraping my teeth, like the plaque, like every night. You don’t need to do that now. Honestly, it’s like once every three, four weeks now. And it’s a little bit, it’s a tiny bit. Yeah, yeah, I have the same.

I’ve noticed I don’t even need to do and Seb is just like you. He doesn’t brush your teeth. He uses oil. He uses this oil he talks about. I need to remember what it was. Oil pulling. I don’t know. Yeah. Something like that. The trouble with oil pulling is that sticks to all the good batch here as well. The oil. No, he talked about that. There’s something and then he does something else. He’s got a little regimen. No, see, I don’t really bother. I just use a dry toothbrush. I’ve got the, I’ve got the infrared one. Far infrared, near infrared toothbrush. So I use that. Um, and

When I first discovered this, I thought I’m going to give my little dog, because all my dogs, you know, I love them. So they’re like my children. So you’re a crazy dog lady. Yeah, I am. My son calls me the crazy dog lady and I’ve got three dogs and my children suddenly said, are you replacing us with dogs? Cause you’ve got three. Of course you have, of course you have. And I didn’t get a fourth because they will believe that I am. So, so I’d started giving my dog this stuff, my little dog, cause they all had the same diet, a raw diet. Cause our pets, you know,

People buy their pets the cheapest dog food. They buy the dried stuff, which has got loads of mold in it. I know, and listen, I know I found out about that. And so many dogs are having to have their teeth extracted. And then you get told by the vets, clean your dog’s teeth. You know, what? I mean, humans didn’t clean their teeth thousands of years ago and they’ve got lovely, I’m sure the Masai don’t brush their teeth every day. You need to listen to Roger Meacock, right? Fantastic. I know Roger. He was on my podcast and it was an…

epic podcast. And he was telling me all about animal foods and on the crap that they give him pets. Absolutely. And people buy the cheapest and they say they love their pets and they buy all this rubbishy stuff. I mean, my dogs get raw foods that and I vary it. Cause I think who would want to eat the same thing every day? No. And people buy a big bag of dog food. That’s probably got the dried stuff that he’s got no nutrition in it. And anything that is nutritious that they say is nutritious, probably synthetic. It’s got mold growing in it. Yeah.

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And then they give that to their animals and they pay it in vet fees. 100%. No, I’m just going to quickly add, you know, I had Jeff Webster on and he was talking about how his wife, I think, was working in this food company and dog pet food company and they add caramel and all the other sweetener carbohydrate crap. Yeah, it’s addictive. So the animals are addicted. Yes. They’re addicted to the food just like us humans are. Yeah. And they take out the minerals as well to make it more addictive.

Right. So they’re all addicted to this garbage and then they have to get vaccine shots. So they’ve just medicalized all the animals, just like the humans. And my dogs have never been vaccinated. I got told off by one vet. So I changed the vet and the vet I’ve got now, he says to me, oh, that’s okay. Because he says your dogs, he says, you know, your dogs will be heard, get herd immunity because all the other dogs are vaccinated. And my dogs only ever go if they have a bit of trauma or something, you know, like they’ve got a thorn in them or one of them.

One of them had something with his eye, but they never go and see the vet. So I don’t have pet insurance because they don’t get vaccinated. If I want to deworm them, I give them pumpkin seeds and I give them some of the stuff that I take, I just give them pumpkin seeds and things. So, you know, I’ve got really healthy dogs and people think they’re puppies and they’re six and seven and, you know, and with my little dog, because he had some really bad breath, I started using all this stuff on him, bad breath went. And I thought.

This is it is all to do with the gut. So people do not go and see your hygienist every three months. Get your gut healthy first. So that actually leads nicely to, you know, there’s a guy called Dana White. You probably haven’t heard of him, but he runs the UFC mixed martial arts, MMA fighting thing, huge thing, huge worldwide massive. He’s a billionaire thing. He got quite unwell. He’s quite unwell. And then he got he went to see someone who’s not a doctor. His doctors all wanted to give him drugs and tablets. And I think he was on drugs and tablets.

And he’s now totally transformed his life. And he’s like, do you know what? I don’t want to ever see a doctor ever again. Yeah, I think people need to keep away from that. And I think basically, if you’ve basically been in a car crash or something like that, I mean, it makes sense to go and see a doctor. Honestly, someone like me and the right place and time, you need that help. And I’ve had surgery for things that I really needed.

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But I think especially in America, they’ve got this culture of, oh, I’m going for my yearly check, going to see the dermatologist, I’m going to see the OBGYN, I’m going to see whatever just for my yearly check. It’s like, why? What do you think they’re going to do? Like just don’t bother, stay out of the doctor’s room unless there’s a problem and heal thyself you know, with your gut and with everything else we talked about. They’re going to put that thought into your head that there’s something wrong with you as well, which is why I won’t have a, I’ve never had a mammogram.

they’re really bad for you. I just don’t have anything. They send me letters and I just ignore them because I just think, you know, I don’t need any of this. So I don’t go to the doctors. Will Barron Just the way I get an email saying you’re eligible for your latest booster. Oh yeah. And I’m like, and I’m like over my dead body. Right. Listen, we’re almost at two hours and I’m going to have to help with the kids bath time. So that’s fine. I’ve got to go home and rescue my dogs. Will Barron So listen, last question of the show. Look,

You’re on your deathbed, you’re surrounded by your family, grandchildren, everything, and you’re about to meet your maker. Before you pass on, what advice would you give to your kids and grandkids, health or otherwise? What advice I would give to them? I would say to them, enjoy your lives, don’t work too hard, and take care of your own health. Don’t give your power away to anyone. Yes, don’t give your power away to anyone. Keep your power. I think that’s great. Listen, I really enjoyed chatting to you.

Sorry, I went on a bit. No, I went on a bit. We both went on a bit. That’s all right. From one crazy quack to another, quack, quack. Everyone listening, I hope you really enjoyed it to the 75, 80% of you who lasted to the end. God bless you, you troopers. I love you loads. I can’t tell you how much I love you. Listen, it’s really weird. Like despite all the shit that’s happening to me, right? I really love doing podcasts. And I love my guests.

I keep in touch with, I’d say like 60, 70% of my guests now. I just had a text from someone I did a podcast with last night. It was lovely. I can’t believe what a great conversation we’ve had. And it’s amazing. And I was like, oh, she found my number from the email that I sent, and so that was lovely. But I also feel like with all the messages I get from the audience, I’m really connected to this beautiful tribe of lovely people who are on this journey. And they’re all in different phases. Some have been awake for a long time.

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I’m quite late to the party, I accept that. Some people are just waking up now, but we’re all on this journey together. And the thing is, once you see, you can’t unsee. Yeah, and I just think all of this happens with divine timing. It happens when you’re meant to have it happen to you. I think so. So everyone listening, like I said again, thank you so much. Love you loads. Bye bye.