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Ahmad (00:00.498)
Right, listen, William Maccas, it’s 9pm here in the UK. I normally get ready to go to bed, but you are a very important man and I wanted to grab you. And I know you’re on the East Coast Pacific time and listen, I appreciate it’s a Sunday afternoon for you. You should be with your family, your kids and here you are talking to me. So listen, first of all, thank you so much.

Dr. William Makis MD (00:24.953)
Well, it’s my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Ahmad (00:27.73)
And yeah, listen, I’ve met you in person and it was very memorable. And it was back in Dallas, Texas in the summer. And you just came across as, do you know what? A good guy. Like my radar was like, this guy’s genuine. He’s for real. He’s not some pandemic ambulance chaser. He’s not a narcissist. He’s not a me, me kind of guy. He’s, he’s in the fight for the real reasons.

I don’t normally do this, but that’s my pleasure. And we had another chat just a couple of days ago, and you’re just so genuine and forthcoming. I love you, man. Seriously.

Dr. William Makis MD (00:58.541)
I appreciate that.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:09.741)
Well, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. I love you, too. You know, you come across the same way. Very, very honest. You know, in the fight, we’re both in this in this big battle in this big war. So.

Ahmad (01:25.49)
Yeah. I mean, people talk about us. 100% yeah. I mean, people talk about a spiritual battle. I, I buy that we’re in a spiritual battle, but listen, can I ask you something? Um, normally I don’t begin with introductions. Normally I just dive in and we have a chat, like two guys in a pub, right? But with you, it’s going to be slightly different because it’s relevant to what we’re going to talk about in a second. Um,

Dr. William Makis MD (01:27.149)
Hopefully, hopefully we prevail, right? Hopefully we prevail.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:39.012)
Absolutely.

Ahmad (01:54.794)
But before I ask you to introduce yourself, that was a question. Just before we started recording, I was like, what is all that stuff in the back, on your shelf, and everything, because it’s fascinating. Tell me that and then give me a little introduction about your background and who you are.

Dr. William Makis MD (02:12.389)
So actually what I’ve got behind me is I’ve got about a hundred crystal skulls. So those are, that’s a hundred crystal skulls right there. And it’s everything from ruby to malachite to quartz, citrine, amethyst, rhodococite, rhodonite, turquoise, all kinds of jasper, pyrite, obsidian, you name it. I love gemstones. And so I bought one skull when I was in medical school.

And then I bought another one and then another one. And 20 years later, I’ve got a skull collection behind me. I’ve also got fossils. So I’ve got, yeah.

Ahmad (02:46.422)
Wait, wait, wait one second.

Ahmad (02:55.054)
What do you think of this? What do you think of this bad boy? This is heavy as well, by the way. Yeah. No, this is not real. This is not real. This is. It’s a cast. It’s made in China, but yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (02:55.641)
Oh, there you go.

Dr. William Makis MD (03:00.845)
Yeah, now I’m assuming that’s real.

Dr. William Makis MD (03:06.878)
It’s a cast.

Dr. William Makis MD (03:11.725)
You know what? I wanted to buy a skull of a Buddhist monk. And they have these… hang on. So what they do in some of these monasteries is they have, you know, these Buddhist monks that lived hundreds of years ago, and they carved the skulls with various symbols. And you could actually acquire some of these. And…

Ahmad (03:19.549)
What

Dr. William Makis MD (03:41.165)
I tried to acquire one and my wife said, like, absolutely no way in hell. And I said, look, I’m just going to put it on our bedroom. I’m going to put it on the night table in our bedroom. And my wife said, absolutely not. If you get that skull, I’m out. Right. So I had to draw the line at non human skulls. So I’ve got, let’s see, I’ve got Megalodon shark teeth there. So Megalodon extinct shark. Right.

Ahmad (04:09.931)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (04:11.766)
I’ve got mammoth and mastodon teeth up here. I’ve got some ammonites. Now, these are not real. These are plasters of a saber-tooth shark. Saber-tooth shark, yeah, right. Saber-tooth tiger, cave bear, some extinct Ice Age animals, and got some coral up there. So basically, I love gemstones. I love fossils and minerals. And so I’ve got a bit of a collection now.

Ahmad (04:22.486)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (04:40.747)
behind me.

Ahmad (04:41.678)
Amazing. I love it. You know, I never was someone who collected anything, but for some reason when I hit about 38, 39, I started a collection and don’t laugh. Okay, it’s nothing like yours. I have a fridge magnet collection. So everywhere I go, the museums with the kids, the zoos, countries, wherever, you know, before COVID, we used to travel, go anywhere.

I needed like the one thing, the gift that I wanted was a little fridge magnet to remind me of where we were. So that’s my little collection.

Dr. William Makis MD (05:15.985)
Exactly.

We do that. So my kids collect seashells. So, you know, if we go somewhere warm, you know, we either collect them like, you know, on the beach or, you know, we’ll get them at the store. And so they’ve got a seashell collection. They’ve got a little, you know, rock collection going as well. So it’s fun. And keychains, of course, they love keychains wherever I’ve traveled.

Ahmad (05:22.647)
Right.

Ahmad (05:41.186)
Great, I love it. Yeah, yeah, badges, stickers, magnets, whatever, but your collection rocks. It’s very cool, very cool. Right, tell me about yourself. You are a doctor. You’re an oncologist by training, you’re a proper MD, and this is relevant to the stuff we’re gonna just talk about in a second. So tell me a little bit about your training and then your time through COVID and all the controversies and the situation that you’ve been in. Tell me about that.

Dr. William Makis MD (06:11.557)
You know, I get attacked a lot actually on my training, which is very bizarre because, you know, I talk a lot about the turbo cancers caused by the COVID-19 vaccines. I have training in oncology, but, you know, when I get attacked, I get attacked to that say, oh, Max is not an oncologist. So I’ll specify, you know, my training background. I did a four-year undergraduate degree at the University of Toronto in immunology.

Ahmad (06:34.859)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (06:40.337)
It was a four-year immunology course, and we had, you know, virology, microbiology. I did labs, all that stuff. So I graduated with honors. It’s an honors bachelor of science in immunology, four years. I did a four-year medical degree at McGill University in Montreal, Canada. And then I did a five-year specialization in nuclear medicine, radiology, and oncology. So nuclear medicine is a branch of radiology.

In the United States, you could actually specialize it as a branch of radiology, or you could go directly into a program called nuclear radiology, or you know, and it’s got an oncology component to it because we treat cancer patients. But we treat cancer patients with radiation. And so I have a five-year specialization board certified in nuclear medicine, radiology and oncology. When I graduated from McGill University, I

My initial practice was in a small town in Manitoba, and I did actually cardiac stress tests. I did cardiac stress tests. I did bone scans, bone density scans. I did thyroid scans. I treated thyroid cancer patients, but then I moved to Alberta, Canada, and I moved to a cancer center. And at this cancer center, at Cross Cancer Institute, my practice was 50% diagnostics and 50%

So I read PET CT scans, correlated with CT scans, pathology reports, and so on. That was about 50% of my practice diagnosing cancer. So I’ve diagnosed tens of thousands of cancer cases. And I also had several hundred cancer patients under my care for targeted radionuclide therapy as their primary oncologist. And I did that for several years. I had a very successful, I ran a successful clinical trial, phase two clinical trial.

with lutetium 177-dotatate treatment of neuroendocrine cancer patients who were end-stage cancer patients that had exhausted all their treatment options and we cured about 85 to 90 percent of these cancer patients, we cured their cancer. Because it was a targeted radiation treatment that you inject, it’s a clear liquid that you inject, the radiation or the radioactive particle beta emitting particle is attached to a protein, a molecule.

Dr. William Makis MD (09:04.709)
that delivers the radiation to a specific receptor on the tumor cell, drops the radiation off, the radiation has a, it emits beta particles, so it damages the DNA of the cancer cell, it’s got a six hour half-life, so it’s out of the body after 24 hours or so, that’s five half-lives, so it’s almost all gone within 24 hours, you can do these cancer treatments as an outpatient. And

virtually no side effects, minimal side effects, occasional, you know, a little bit of nausea, vomiting. Very well tolerated and a very high success rate, 85 to 90% response rate if you have a tumor that has a particular receptor. Where my cancer program was sabotaged was as long as I was treating rare cancers, nobody cared. There was no money to be made, right? I was actually on a salary.

Ahmad (09:54.33)
Hmm. Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (09:57.093)
And no one made any money and that’s how it’s supposed to be right no one is supposed to make money especially in a in a Socialized health care system like Canada or the United Kingdom, right? It’s you’re not there to make a profit, right? And So it didn’t matter if I treated, you know ten patients a hundred or a thousand patients. My salary was the same Right and I wanted to treat as many patients as I could so I had about 200 patients under my care I was allowed by Health Canada up to 400 Now where it became a problem

Ahmad (10:06.102)
Hmm not at all. Yeah

Dr. William Makis MD (10:25.761)
was they discovered that they discovered a receptor on prostate cancer cells that you could target radiation to. And it’s a PSMA protein, a prostate specific membrane antigen protein, and you can treat end stage prostate cancers with this high 85 to 90% success rate after they have failed all their treatments. And you can cure them. And they can live for years.

Ahmad (10:51.448)
Wow.

Dr. William Makis MD (10:55.257)
This was discovered in 2016. And so they discovered they could do it for prostate and they discovered that they could do it for breast, but they were still trying to figure out the best receptor for it. That’s when my cancer program was sabotaged. It was actually sabotaged by a leftist provincial government that had a partnership with the Trudeau government. So we had a leftist Alberta premier, Rachel Notley. She worked very closely with the Trudeau government.

She ordered the sabotage of my cancer program. That’s when they had me removed from my cancer hospital they then They concocted these fake complaints Then they took my license hostage then they tried offered me a four hundred thousand dollar bribe to sign a non-disclosure agreement and leave Alberta and That they then they would give me my license back and I said no

I rejected the $400,000 bribe and within six hours, the medical board, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta launched a brand new complaint, took my license hostage and has been holding it hostage ever since. That was six years ago that they took my medical license hostage. And I’ve been fighting them in court ever since. So when the pandemic hit, oh, just before I move on to the next topic.

Ahmad (11:58.955)
Ho!

Ahmad (12:05.91)
Wow.

Dr. William Makis MD (12:17.801)
When my cancer program was sabotaged, I found out that about three years later, Justin Trudeau would come to Vancouver with a $10 million check personally handed over to my colleagues at BC Cancer Agency, so same specialty, nuclear medicine specialty, to rebuild the same program that I had run in Alberta, to rebuild it in Vancouver, and then invested $300 million of Canadian federal money to monopolize…

these treatments, these targeted radionuclide treatments, and they are building huge complexes in Vancouver. And I was told by the former president of BC Cancer Agency that they were going to build private clinics, and they were going to actually treat these cancer patients privately, charge several hundred thousand dollars for a treatment course, and they were going to, basically Vancouver was the perfect hub because they wanted clientele

from Japan, from India, from China. They wanted a wealthy clientele from Asia to be able to fly to Vancouver, get their cutting edge prostate cancer treatments, get their prostate cancer cured or their breast cancer cured, pay several hundred thousand dollars and then fly back. This was a multi-billion dollar operation. And again, the Trudeau government fully invested with public money and they were all going to make a fortune. University of British Columbia invested several million dollars into this project.

Ahmad (13:40.75)
Whoa, whoa, just…

Dr. William Makis MD (13:44.953)
BC Cancer Agency, the mayors, local mayors, provincial politicians, they were all personally invested in this project, which is ongoing, it’s still being built. So the Trudeau government got into pharmaceuticals before the COVID pandemic, before the mRNA vaccines, they were actually in something called precision medicine. Precision medicine is basically the next generation of cancer treatments, it’s mostly cancer treatments.

And the way they presented is they, well, they tailor the cancer treatments to you and specifically to your cancer. And it’s this targeted, these targeted treatments. And of course, now we know that, you know, they’re pushing heavily into the mRNA technology, trying to bring in personalized mRNA cancer treatments, where they will take a sample of your tumor. They’ll get the, you know, genetic code and they’ll create an mRNA vaccine. They’ll inject it back into you.

Moderna is actually running phase three clinical trials on these personalized mRNA cancer vaccines in Australia right now. So this is the kind of stuff that the Churro government was heavily, they are heavily invested in pharmaceuticals.

Ahmad (14:57.046)
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, right. Like, well, there’s so much there. So William, one thing I want to say to the listeners is there’s no such thing as a doctor who treats cancer. It’s a multidisciplinary team. And, you know, you were part of a team. Like the idea that people say, oh, you know, William Mac is wasn’t treating cancer, it’s just nonsense. You know, because there is no one person. It’s, you know, you’ve got a surgeon, you’ve got a respiratory physician, you’ve got an oncologist, you’ve got a radiologist, you’ve got…

Dr. William Makis MD (15:12.378)
Yeah, for sure.

Ahmad (15:26.614)
pathologists. Yeah, yeah. That’s what I’m saying. Medical. It’s a team though. The whole point is whenever you treat cancer, it’s an MDT, multidisciplinary approach. There’s no one person. You’re part of this team and you’re imaging these people. You’re treating them with the nuclear dye. I get all of that. I’ve never heard of this targeted beta radiation.

Dr. William Makis MD (15:28.254)
You have a medical oncologist? Yeah.

Ahmad (15:51.862)
treatment ever by the way. Is this quite novel research? I mean what cancers were you treating? You said before it was the rarer ones. What kind of cancers were you treating?

Dr. William Makis MD (16:03.681)
Neuroendocrine, neuroendocrine cancers. So these would be neuroendocrine in the small bowel, large bowel, most commonly, right? But they could be neuroendocrine, there’s neuroendocrine brain cancers, gastric cancers, they tend to be quite rare. There’s neuroendocrine breast cancers, for example. As long as they had the receptor that you could target, you could deliver the radiation directly to the tumor cell and it wouldn’t get picked up by healthy tissues.

Ahmad (16:06.04)
Right.

Ahmad (16:12.172)
Right.

Dr. William Makis MD (16:32.233)
And the rest of it that was floating around in the bloodstream would be because it was very small, it would be filtered by the kidneys and you’d pee it out. So your radiation to the rest of the body was really minimal. And that’s why the side effect profile was so amazing because you’re basically just delivering the radiation to the tumor cells everywhere in the body because it’s an IV injection. Sorry, it’s an IV infusion, sort of given over an hour.

Ahmad (16:38.84)
Mmm.

Ahmad (16:43.086)
Bye.

Ahmad (16:50.935)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (16:57.477)
And then you know you pee out the rest of it and so highly successful now Why a lot of people haven’t heard about this and I’ll tell you one of the reasons why? This was developed this was developed in Europe it was developed in the Netherlands in Germany and They were doing clinical trials for about a decade before we brought it into Canada The FDA sat on it for almost 20 years. They would not approve it for almost

Ahmad (17:05.058)
Tell me.

Ahmad (17:21.271)
Whoa.

Dr. William Makis MD (17:24.261)
for almost 20 years they sat on it. I think the first approval came in 2015 or 16. And then there was the discovery that you could treat prostate cancers with it. And then suddenly there were huge acquisitions. So there was a startup that had developed this agent, this radioactive particle bound to the protein.

And I think it was like a $20 million startup. They were bought out for $2 billion by Novartis. And so then the eye out start, the moment, you know, I’m at the moment there’s money in anything. And the moment the pharmaceutical companies realize that they can make money on something, that’s when the big acquisitions come and that’s when the money’s rolling in. And that’s when the FDA approvals roll out, right? And we’re seeing it now with the mRNA,

Ahmad (17:56.663)
Wow!

Ahmad (18:04.972)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (18:20.549)
vaccine injuries that whenever there is an injury that is suddenly exploding, boom, you start seeing, wait a minute, FDA just approved a blood thinner for kids. FDA just approved this new cancer treatments in this cancer that’s skyrocketing right now, right? That’s when the FDA approvals just roll out right on cue so that the pharmaceutical companies can make their billions of dollars.

Ahmad (18:32.246)
Yeah.

Ahmad (18:45.342)
Oh man, this sounds so cynical. I mean, the thing is, look, I’ve been banging on about cancer on my podcast for quite a while. So I’ve published a hundred podcasts by the way. And a few of them have talked about cancer. Thank you. Hundredth birthday. So basically I had Thomas Seyfried on. Do you know Professor Thomas Seyfried? He talks about, yeah, definitely look him up, buddy. You’d love him.

Dr. William Makis MD (18:59.409)
Congratulations.

Dr. William Makis MD (19:09.933)
The name is familiar.

Ahmad (19:13.774)
So he talks about evolutionary biology and how the origin of cancer is metabolic dysfunction, mitochondrial dysfunction, hyperinsulinemia. And these create extra free radicals that knock out the genes and cause genetic damage. But so the whole theory of cancer, and I had Travis Christofferson, he’s an American, he also talks about this and has written multiple books. And there’s a lot of evidence in science now to show that actually cancer is driven

by metabolic dysfunction, mitochondrial dysfunction. And then that creates the genetic damage. It’s not the other way around. Now the thing is, there’s no money in this, William. Getting people to have a keto diet, cut out ultra-processed food and eat clean and sort out their metabolic health doesn’t make money for Big Pharma. Big Pharma profits from the idea that it’s all genetic damage. It’s all chromosome. There’s nothing you can do about it and you need the special drug, the special targeted thing.

And what’s funny is like you, I think we’re similar age, I’m 48, but when I was going for med school, I was told, I remember being in the lecture room and the lecture saying, one in five of you will get cancer at some point in your life. We’re all like, oh shit, one in five? We’re all looking around at each other. Now that statistic is one in two. And in 20 years, we spent billions on cancer research. What the frack? What a bad return for your money.

Dr. William Makis MD (20:33.998)
too.

Ahmad (20:41.506)
that with all the billions of cancer research, the odds have gone from one in five, which was pretty shitty, to one in two. So they’re clearly doing something wrong, right? They’re doing something wrong. Now, I’m not saying the answer for every cancer is Gersh in frickin’ treatment or this or that. Look, prevention’s the best thing. And if you listen to Thomas Seyfried, it’s keto diet, clean living, keep your obesity down, keep your insulin down, blah, blah.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you get cancer, advanced cancer, you know what? Surgery can help. Debunking can help. Targeted radiotherapy can help. Something like steroids can reduce inflammation and take the pressure off the spine. That happened to my dad, you know, he was paralyzed. And then he had the steroids and it took the swelling around the nerves off and he was able to walk again. So, you know, there are requirements for drugs, but I’m now very wary of the medical industrial complex

Dr. William Makis MD (21:34.597)
Yeah.

Ahmad (21:41.118)
rapacious need to profit from our misery. You know buddy, that’s where I stand. And what you said about the mRNA technology, I’m terrified because they’re rolling out factories here in this country, in Australia, everywhere. And they’ve got mRNA technology for everything. And correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t mRNA technology used predominantly to see if they would treat cancers? And in all the years they’ve been using them, they haven’t successfully done

with anything really and now it’s like everything is going to be mRNA.

Dr. William Makis MD (22:18.001)
Well, I can tell you, I think I might have been lucky in that I had, I’d heard a little bit about lipid nanoparticle technology and mRNA technology in cancer. And you know, you always kind of like look peripherally at something that’s, you know, you know that they’re working on it, but they can’t quite get it right. It’s not working. The trials are failing, right? All the trials failed. And so I kind of always had it, you know, I knew that there was, they were always working

Ahmad (22:38.975)
Mm.

Dr. William Makis MD (22:48.193)
on mRNA and trying to see if they could introduce a gene or fix a gene or whatever. And it never quite worked, right? The other thing about the lipid nanoparticle, what’s particularly fascinating is that lipid nanoparticles had been looked at as a delivery mechanism in cancer treatment, but not to deliver mRNA, but to deliver chemo.

Ahmad (22:59.118)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (23:17.073)
And so the idea was that you would load chemo into the lipid nanoparticles and then try to deliver it. And there were always problems with it. And one of the problems I remember reading about that they encountered was that basically the chemo would get dumped in various places. It was completely uncontrolled.

And so you’d get chemo dumped in healthy tissues where you don’t want it. And they want, so they wanted to reach, you know, hard to reach places, but they also wanted it targeted. They wanted it delivered to the cancer, exactly what we were doing with the radiation treatment. You know, we had a marker and we delivered the radiation directly to the tumor cells. Well, they tried to do that with the lipid nanoparticles. It never worked. It was dumping the chemo all over the place. And even when they tried to, let’s say, attach an antibody,

to it and then try to deliver it. Even that wasn’t working, right? The antibody would fall off. It just, it was a technology that never worked. The lipid nanoparticles never worked. You could never control them. They would end up going all over the place and to places you didn’t want. And the mRNA technology never worked either. So when I heard that they were going to use, honestly, I wasn’t paying that much attention when the pandemic hit.

Because I looked up the case fatality rate right at the beginning. I think it was a UANIDIS’s numbers and the survival rate for our age group, where people in their 40s, the survival rate was over 99.9%. So I’m like, okay, what’s the pandemic? What’s this pandemic you’re talking about? What’s this novel thing if the survival is over 99.9%?

Ahmad (24:46.412)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (25:11.702)
I have a big garden in the backyard and I kind of ignored 2020 or most of 2020. I did my gardening, we went on some vacations around Canada. The whole mask and six feet apart, I found it stupid, right? But I thought that it would blow over and then we’d get back to normal.

But the vaccines, when they, and I thought the vaccines, they were only going to roll them out in high-risk populations, because we were always told that the high-risk populations for COVID-19 were people over the age of 70 in long-term homes, long-term care settings, or if it was younger people, they had to have at least three or four comorbidities, and they had very complex medical issues.

Ahmad (26:00.978)
Mm. Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (26:03.597)
And so, you know, I signed the Great Barrington Declaration when it was circulating. And I thought, well, they’re going to only roll out the vaccines in the high-risk groups and that’s it. It didn’t occur to me, and I was very naive, it didn’t occur to me that they were going to force these vaccines in the entire population. And that really freaked me out because, and then I heard, okay, lipid nanoparticles, mRNA, like, what are you guys talking about? These are failed cancer technologies. Why are you using them as a vaccine?

Right. So just as a precautionary principle, I told my wife, I said, we’re not getting these vaccines. Like, no way. Like I run clinical trials. I, you know, I treat stage four cancer patients with experimental pharmaceuticals. I’m not going to take an experimental pharmaceutical as a young, healthy person. Like, that’s insane. Like, to me, the idea was completely insane. But people were lining up. And, you know, I suddenly saw outside of our.

Ahmad (26:40.159)
Mmm.

Ahmad (26:47.959)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (27:02.201)
big grocery stores and outside of Walmart, outside of super store, people were lining up around the block to get injected with these experimental products. And without like, you know, without, without a doctor present, nothing, they were just going to these places, getting themselves jabbed up. And it just blew my mind that this was happening. Um, and so that’s, you know, I actually started looking more into the tech, mRNA technology in early 2021.

Ahmad (27:23.256)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (27:30.081)
And by the summer of 2021, I see, okay, Israel’s rolling out booster shots. So the first two shots had failed. Israel’s rolling out booster shots. Then they have an explosion of COVID-19 cases after they roll out the booster shots. They become the country, the number one country with the highest infection rate with COVID-19 after they rolled out the booster shots. And that’s when the politicians in Canada and United States started talking about booster shots and then rolling them out every six months.

and then talking about vaccinating kids. So I realized that this whole thing was completely out of control.

Ahmad (28:01.666)
I know.

Ahmad (28:06.386)
I’m absolutely out of control. It’s like this, it’s a tumor. It’s an uncontrolled growth. It’s an uncontrolled growth and it starts to metastasize everywhere, you know, and it’s infiltrated every department and government and institution and regulatory body. It’s a fracking tumor. And I’m swear to God, it’s like, it’s gonna…

Dr. William Makis MD (28:31.122)
And everyone was in lockstep. Everyone was in lockstep. There were virtually no voices of reason. There were no voices of reason or rationality. And of course, you know, then we started kind of finding each other online, you know, the really the small handful of us that realized, wait a minute, this is complete insanity. I started speaking out online about August of 2021.

Ahmad (28:49.454)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (28:58.161)
That was before I started noticing that the Canadian doctors had started dropping dead after taking the vaccines. But every institution, this is what shocked me, every institution, every formal medical association, college, medical board was in lockstep with the rollout of the vaccines in absolutely everybody.

Ahmad (29:24.034)
Yeah, I know.

Dr. William Makis MD (29:25.033)
And where I realized where this was really nefarious was when they started rejecting exemptions, reasons to be exempt from the vaccine. And religion exemptions weren’t good enough and medical exemptions weren’t good enough. You literally had to take the first shot and almost die and then maybe you would get an exemption. Like this whole thing was nefarious and it was nefarious from the very beginning.

Ahmad (29:45.396)
Yeah.

No, same thing here for exemptions. They’re like, oh, if you’ve got an allergy, well, next time go to a specialist unit where they’ve got a crash trolley. So if you have a reaction, they’re ready for you. It was like, am I fricking hearing this properly? Like seriously, the first shot might have killed you and you still want them to have a second shot and there’s gonna be a crash trolley there ready just in case. Like where, what has happened to the world where people are coming up with these suggestions?

Dr. William Makis MD (29:56.284)
Thank you.

Ahmad (30:17.334)
Something has, I mean, you know, I don’t like a hard sell. And this was like a hard sell times infinity. It was like insane. Now, listen, can I, I wanna talk about turbo cancers, right? And you’ve written a lot about that on your wonderful sub stack. Well, I wanna go back a bit, cause I’m going through some of the stuff that you seem to have gone through. So you said you were shut down and the stuff you were doing back in 2017, is that right? Was it six years ago?

Dr. William Makis MD (30:30.534)
Yeah, sure.

Dr. William Makis MD (30:46.085)
It was 2016 and basically what they did was they wanted to close the program so they could move it to Vancouver and because they needed a monopoly. In Canada, you want to have, if you have a cutting edge technology, you don’t want to have multiple centers doing it if you want to profit from it. You need to have one place and you call yourself the global leader and you want to have a monopoly and that’s how you’re going to make big money. Right. And so my program had to be shut down. They couldn’t do it legally.

Ahmad (31:08.056)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (31:15.893)
And so they basically framed me with complaints. They bribed my nurses and my technologists with promotions to manager, department manager, and so on. If they could give a fake complaint, then they used that. They put me through this investigation process, which was bogus. Then they offered me money. And when they offered me the $400,000, they said, look, we’ll give you 408 tax-free sign and non-disclosure agreement, and you’re leaving Alberta, and you will never speak to your colleagues again.

Ahmad (31:34.13)
Oh shit!

Dr. William Makis MD (31:45.785)
And I had one week to sign that agreement. This was in June, 2017. And I said, no way in hell am I signing this? I had recently filed a lawsuit and I rejected it. And that’s when they went after my license because they figured if I cannot earn an income as a physician, then I cannot fund the lawsuit that I had just launched. And then if I go bankrupt, I have to give up the lawsuit and I have to basically sign whatever they put in front of me. And that’s been the…

Ahmad (32:03.748)
Mmm.

Ahmad (32:13.065)
So what have you been doing? If you’ve not been able to work, how have you been able to survive?

Dr. William Makis MD (32:20.497)
I’ve been retired since 2016. I’m a retired physician. I’m a retired physician with a license that’s being held hostage by the Alberta College of Physicians and Surgeons. It’s been held hostage for six years now. And what happened was about a year after I rejected the $400,000 offer, they had me declared unprofessional conduct some nonsense. And then they said, well, now, instead

We’ll let your license go, but you have to declare yourself mentally incompetent or that you had a mental health issue and to kind of explain everything that had happened over the last previous years. And they said, we’ll give you a choice, you can choose to declare yourself as having had depression or as having had stress or just anxiety.

Ahmad (32:58.167)
What?

Dr. William Makis MD (33:15.601)
because I’m in perfect mental health so you know I can’t just make something up but they gave me some choices right and then it was like okay if you declare yourself mentally incompetent then we’ll let your license go and again I said like no I wouldn’t even meet with their lawyers at that point and so I’ve been in retirement but then you know the pandemic hits and one more thing I want to mention is that

Alberta Health Services, which is the health main health authority here in Alberta and the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta They actually went to court with two emergency court injunctions To have me silenced and they asked the judge to suspend my Canadian Charter rights to freedom of expression and the judge panicked that the judge freaked out He said what the hell are you guys talking about? They’re like, well Mac is exposing corruption You know

in the healthcare system publicly like on Twitter. And the judge is like, if you guys have a problem with Maccas, file a defamation claim, but I cannot suspend his charter rights. Like I cannot order that he cannot speak about corruption in healthcare if that’s what I choose to do, right? So the judge threw out the injunctions. And then I realized, I’m like, okay, well now the court has basically given me the green light to continue speaking out publicly.

then the pandemic hit. That was right around the time that the pandemic hit. So I’m like, look, I’m going to speak out as much as I want. And I’m the only physician in Canada that can speak out, speak his mind and really not be afraid of losing my license or losing my hospital privileges or losing my job. That’s why I speak out as much as I do, because I can. Other other physicians in Canada can’t. And if they do, they lose everything like Dr. Mark Trosi, this amazing emergency doctor.

Ahmad (34:50.163)
Yeah.

Ahmad (35:01.442)
God bless you.

Dr. William Makis MD (35:09.589)
in Ontario, who’s again been speaking out, they’ve stripped him of his medical license and they’ve declared him incompetent, even though he’s an amazing ER physician. Right now, they’ve done this to all the physicians who’ve spoken out about the dangers of the mRNA vaccines, and of course, about the nonsense of the masking and the lockdowns and so on. The Canadian authorities have gone after every single doctor, try to strip them of their licenses, of course, you know,

You lose your job, you lose your hospital privileges, all of it.

Ahmad (35:41.59)
Wow, do you wanna hear something funny? It’s not funny. I feel, I’m just sharing a screen with you. I feel like I’m following your footsteps. And the reason why I’m saying that is, dude, I’ve gone through the exact same shit as you. I’ve been referred to my licensing board, the GMC, trumped up BS charges of being transphobic when I’m really not. I care about these people and I wanna help them and I wanna protect them from the medical industrial complex.

Um, I don’t want their, you know, these are vulnerable young adults and I don’t want them being taken advantage of and having puberty blockers and surgery that will ruin them forever. Um, but that was just a pretext. They were just using that cause they couldn’t get me on my COVID views. Cause I wasn’t saying anything outlandish. I was just saying, we need to question this. And I’ve been defending medical ethics and I’ve been saying from day one, medical ethics has been thrown out the window, right? I’ve written articles about it. I’ve talked about it and they couldn’t.

Get me on that. Couldn’t get me on that. So then they tried to get me on this transphobic thing and the GMC threw that at the window and said, no, there’s nothing to see here. But they said, we understand your concerns about him and he’s certainly a bit conspiratorial and anti-vaxxer. So the hospitals have got a same issue, trumped up bullshit charges and kicked me out of the hospital. And the problem is here in the UK,

You either work for the state or you do, you work privately in a private hospital, but you’re not an employee. I had practicing privileges. So I had all the expectations of an employee, but none of the protections of an employee. So they could just use whatever bullshit they want to get rid of me. And then another hospital, I was clinging onto my practice and it was, like it was, I was losing money. You know, I was only on 20% of my practice.

but I was clinging on while my legal case is going on. And the hospital a few weeks ago suspended me pending an investigation because apparently I put a clip on my Instagram of a conversation that I had with a guest on my podcast. And they said it lacked context and it could be offensive to staff or patients. Now they also admitted no patient, no member of the public has complained. So this is an internal thing. They’re spying on my social media.

Ahmad (38:07.57)
and it was about Gaza and Palestine and whatever. And it wasn’t even me talking, it was just a guest. And I’ve had people on pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, and that’s the whole point of a podcast, getting people from every viewpoint. But they used that as an excuse to suspend me and just cut off my practice. And I actually turned around and said, screw your fricking investigation. I don’t wanna, I’m not gonna have you investigate me for garbage. What is there to investigate? My podcasts are all on social media, they’re everywhere. Like, what’s your problem? This is an attack on me.

But again, I don’t have any protections under the law. And there’s no such thing as freedom of speech being enshrined in the law in the UK, believe it or not. Americans have that. But what’s interesting about you is what you’ve just said about your license not being, you know, just let go. And they’ve held onto it and they’re just, you know, they want to grind you down. So this is, I just wanna show you this. This is a GP from the, can you see my screen by the way? So this is…

Dr. William Makis MD (39:06.405)
Yeah, I can, yeah.

Ahmad (39:06.998)
This is Dr. Jane Donahan, right? She’s a GP, an unrepentant anti-vax GP says she is delighted to be struck off for telling parents to let their children get measles. Right, do you see what I mean? So this is where, you know, and look, November, 2023. So look at the picture that they put up. And this article is in November, by the way. She was actually finally struck off in the summer. It was, I think, May or June.

that she was struck off. But look, they roll her out every six months to a year. And look at the picture they took of her, right? This is from a video that they snapped a screenshot to make her look like a crazy person. And she was delighted. She said, I’m delighted to be struck off. And the reason why is she said, I’ve been trying to get struck off for years. You just don’t let go of me. You know, leave me alone. And then I just want to show you another one. This is Dr. Sarah Myhill. And…

Again, look, just this year, November, 2023, she’s 64. For three years, she’s been trying to leave the licensing board. I said, look, I don’t want to be involved. And they’ve said, you know, she used iRomectin. Look, she recommended livestock dewormer, potentially harmful substances, banned for an extra year. Again, they’re not letting her go. She wants to be rid of them. But what’s going to happen in a year? They’re going to investigate her again.

do a tribunal, put her in the press, name and shame, deride her, discredit her, destroy her and parade her. You’re being paraded. Ah, look what happens if you step out of line, we’re gonna strip you naked and drag you through the streets, shame, shame. And I think that’s what you’ve been through. And I don’t know, I mean, dude, is it far fetched?

to think that they’re gonna do that to me next? Ha ha.

Dr. William Makis MD (41:06.957)
You know what, Ahmed, it’s the same playbook, whether it’s the UK, whether it’s Canada, whether it’s Australia, it’s the same playbook. United States seems to be a little bit different in the sense that the medical boards seem to be a bit more afraid of getting sued because the litigation culture in the United States, you know, you can win big money. I could sue till the cows come home, you know, I probably can’t win more than, you know, one or two million dollars, and they’ve done much more damage than that. But

Ahmad (41:21.538)
Mmm.

Ahmad (41:26.538)
Yeah, 100%.

Ahmad (41:34.698)
Oh no, no. So guess what? And then in the UK, I need to correct something. My lawyer has told me, forget that. He goes, you might win your case, but there’s no money. He goes, this isn’t America. And America, like you’re saying one, $2 million? Dude, I’ll be over the moon with that. Like they’ve just said, you know, Amid, we’ll fight them. And I’ve done a crowd justice. I’ve raised money because I want to bring it to the public. I want people to know what’s going on. But he said, Amid, your career is destroyed.

Dr. William Makis MD (41:36.469)
So in this state.

Dr. William Makis MD (41:46.342)
There you go.

Ahmad (42:04.246)
Like, you’re never gonna get a big payout. This isn’t the States. And so when you say it’s the same playbook around the world, I forgot to mention, I’ve been in touch with an Australian doctor who has been for the exact same thing, and she’s just been dragged for the course. Anyway, back to you, buddy.

Dr. William Makis MD (42:24.441)
Well, and yeah, exactly. It’s the same, they use the same playbook. They, what happens is that they use the same loopholes in that are built into the legislation. So for example, in Canada, we have something called the Health Professions Act. The Health Professions Act regulates the practice of medicine. The colleges of physicians and surgeons have figured out how to use the loopholes in the Health Professions Act in each province.

so that they could put you through tribunals, find you guilty of this, that, all kinds of nonsense. If you appeal, you have to appeal back to the college. That takes another few more years. Then you go to the court as a judicial review. But then once you hit the court, what most people don’t realize is some of the judges who were appointed recently by Justin Trudeau, for example, they used to be lawyers for the college. In fact, I was put in front of a judge who used to sabotage medical licenses of doctors.

when she was a lawyer five years before. Now she’s one of the head judges in Alberta. So we have judges who were part of that corrupt healthcare system and the big pharma system. They control the entire legal system in a way. So it’s a closed network. You cannot get at these people, right? And so this is, we’re in this situation where we’ve been singled out, we’ve been targeted.

Ahmad (43:35.918)
100%.

Dr. William Makis MD (43:45.025)
We are being made examples of. Now, in my case, there was actually a media blackout for five years. There was my name could not be dropped in any media outlet. I didn’t exist. I was in court 20 times. I’ve won. I’ve won court decisions, some landmark court cases. And the media was not allowed to report on me. My name cannot be found in any media outlet until they coordinated. It was a.

It was November of last year until January of this year. There were five mainstream media outlets that coordinated a smear campaign against me. And you know what for? For at the time I had reported 80 Canadian doctors who had died after the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines. And of course, Canadian doctors were mandated the shots. I had documented about 80 doctors who had sudden and unexpected deaths, mostly cardiac, died in their sleep,

very aggressive, terrible cancers. And that’s when the mainstream media said, okay, we gotta take this guy down, smear him, call him a crazy conspiracy theorist. So I was attacked by the Toronto Star. I was attacked by Globe and Mail. I was attacked by Reuters. I was attacked by Associated Press, Australian Associated Press, the usual suspects, right? Like especially Reuters and Associated Press, sponsored by Big Pharma. You know, they usually do the fact checks to show that, you know.

Ahmad (45:11.57)
Oh yeah, yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (45:15.049)
you know what I’m talking about, right? And so they did a smear campaign and they said, look, Maccas is crazy, don’t listen to him, no Canadian doctor has died from the vaccine. And that was supposed to be the end of it. Now, I hadn’t gotten my Twitter account back yet and I hadn’t started my Substack. So they kind of, they prematurely smeared me before I really established a bigger social media presence. So then I get returned by, you know, Elon Musk’s team, I actually get returned on Twitter.

Ahmad (45:15.818)
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Dr. William Makis MD (45:43.113)
And I’ve been building a big Twitter presence ever since. And I started my sub stack in February of this year, and I’ve built a big sub stack of following as well. So when the mainstream media hasn’t touched me since, but, uh, you know, I’m sure I’ll be targeted at some point with another smear campaign, but, but this is, you know, we’re all, we’re all targets. We all have big targets on our back for speaking out.

Ahmad (46:04.226)
And you know what? We do. We do. And you know, I need to correct something. You said something earlier where you said, you know, you’re speaking out because like, you know, you’ve got practically nothing to lose now. You know, your license is being held hostage. You know, you don’t have a job or anything. Dude, I don’t know. I think you would still be doing what you’re doing, even if you were in a cozy job and everything was secure. You know, I think you’re like me. Like I, you know, I’ve got a young family. Dude, I’m 48. I’m like, I’ve got I had another 20 years of my career left in me.

You know, I’ve still got a goddamn mortgage. I’ve got bills to pay. I’m not rich. You know, and again, it’s a state system. You know, it’s a UK system and the insurance system is basically exact same as the state. You know, you’re not loaded. You’re not, this isn’t America. You know, I’m not driving around a Ferrari. I’m driving around an eight year old, you know, Citroen car, you know, this isn’t like the height of luxury. But the thing is, you know, I couldn’t stay quiet. You know, and it’s a year since I did a

my video and which went viral and started me on this journey. Like you, I was isolated. I was stuck in my little garden. It’s not a big garden, little garden, um, during lockdown. And I just wanted to pick my life back together again. I was depressed. I was psychologically traumatized from by what had happened. I had read about mass vaccination and I thought it was conspiratorial. And I was reading things on telegram and I just switched off cause I was going crazy. Um,

But then when they started forcing the vaccine on everybody, I was terrified. Then when they said you have to have mandates, I went on TV. I went public. I said, no way, this is wrong. And I was lonely. Like there was no other doctor. I, there’s Anthony Hinton, Sam, why, talk to Sam something. I can’t remember his name. So I can’t believe I can’t forgotten it now, but David Cartland, there was just a handful, handful of doctors who were speaking out.

And in the UK, you know, there’s like 200,000 plus doctors, 200,000 plus. And we’re talking about 0.001%. Like what the hell is going on here? It was crazy. The conformity.

Dr. William Makis MD (48:10.405)
It’s the same in Canada. We don’t have as many, I think we have about 100,000 doctors in Canada. And I can honestly count maybe on two hands, the doctors who’ve spoken out. Right. And then of course, those who did lost everything and have been basically crucified for speaking out.

Ahmad (48:16.508)
Mm.

Ahmad (48:20.363)
Yeah.

Ahmad (48:27.807)
I, yeah.

I’ve been crucified and you know, I don’t know about you, but I get accused on Twitter and X, you know, of being a grifter, dude. So I, you know, I can’t pay my bills. I’m eating away at my savings. I’ve got like literally three months left and I’m like every day I stress for a little bit going, what the frack is going to happen? But I’m praying that my sub stack subscribers will build up. And every day I get.

a few messages and you know what, actually I’m gonna take this opportunity to just say thanks to a few people if you don’t mind. So there’s a German chap, I can’t remember his name, Alex Alexander, Alexander Betzel, you know, he did a founding member subscription on my sub stack, I can’t thank him enough. A Martin van der Zwaan from Holland, Netherlands I believe. I mean, people from all over the world, there’s another person, Lesley Neely.

You know, just thank you to these people who slowly, you know, are helping me. There’s another one from Pennsylvania in the US, Candy, Candy Neely. She goes, I live in Pennsylvania in the US. I’ve been following you from afar as an unpaying Substack reader. I just read your message regarding your visit to your mother. I was so moved by this that I’ve upgraded to a paid Substack subscriber. I look forward to continuing to read your writings. I admire all of the courageous medical folks like yourself who have been awake and outspoken.

You know, I mean, I’m relying, literally, dude, I’m relying on handouts from people now. Like this is, this is what a grifter looks like. And I would, I would just say, compare that to the pharma shell, right? The guy that’s being paid, the guy or girl that’s being paid by big pharma, right? Dude, they’re, they’re rolling it in there. Their career is going up. They’re getting promoted. They’re being directors. They’re going on TV. They’re celebrity TVs. They’re getting millions of pounds.

Ahmad (50:27.698)
And you know, but you know what? We’re the grifters.

Dr. William Makis MD (50:31.577)
Yeah, honestly, it’s insane. But it’s, you know, I get attacked by hundreds of pharma bots and, but also people, a lot of leftists, I seem to rub leftists the wrong way as well. And this label grifter is so stupid, right? Because again, like I’ve lost pretty much everything, you know, my career, what have you. And I’m unemployable in the medical field.

Ahmad (51:01.101)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (51:01.261)
right? And this idea that… and then people will come at me and they’ll say, oh, well, you know, you have a substack, you put some articles behind a paywall. Now, I spend, you know, I spend 12 to 16 hours a day on either writing substacks or collecting material for my substacks. Like I put in a lot of work every single day. And you know what people tell me? They’ll say, well, you know what, your work is so important.

and it should be seen by so many people that you should put it out for free. How dare you? How dare you put it behind a paywall? You must be a grifter. You’re just out to grift some money for yourself. And I’m thinking I have two small kids. Right. So the doctors who make half a million dollars, who’ve injured all of their patients, who’ve killed some of their patients, these mRNA vaccines, they’re allowed to feed their kids. They’re allowed to feed their family. They’re allowed to.

Ahmad (51:45.389)
Bingo.

Dr. William Makis MD (51:53.637)
put half a million dollars in the bank every single year. But when I try to help you and help those who’ve been vaccine injured and I spend, you know, 12 to 16 hours a day, putting out articles, uh, on material that these doctors will not dare to say, I’m not allowed to feed my kids. My kids have to starve. They have to go hungry. I cannot pay my mortgage. I’m supposed to be kicked out of my house on the street and you expect me to save you and give you this information for free.

Ahmad (52:22.71)
Yeah, well they’re blood-

Dr. William Makis MD (52:23.749)
How, like in what world does that make any kind of sense?

Ahmad (52:27.342)
Yeah, an easy one. A communist world. I mean, these are all just communists. They’re not jobs. You know, seriously, buddy, everything you said, I mean, I 100% agree with you. I mean, do you think, do you think I got six and just under six months, I managed to get a hundred podcasts out by sitting on my backside and doing nothing? Like people have no idea. Like I kid you not, I’ve been working harder now doing this than at any time like my career. Like it’s a Sunday night.

and I’m doing a podcast. Like day in, day out, you’re researching, you’re scheduling, you’re producing, you’re editing, you’re releasing, you’re then writing substacks about it. I mean, it’s so much time. I mean, I do have to manage things, William. Like right now I’ve been publishing like three to four podcasts a week. I’ve been interviewing five to six. I’ve actually got a backlog of amazing guests and conversations and like I haven’t even got time to publish them. They’re just so incredible, but backlogged.

But I realized I’ve got a problem because my children are coming up to me and saying, dad, you’re always on your laptop. You’re always on the phone. What’s happened? You used to complain about mama doing this. Now you’re doing this. And you know, we’re talking about my six year old daughter. We’re talking about my four year old son. You know, they know something’s wrong and different. So in the new year, I’ve decided like a no more than two or three interviews a week, no more two or three publications a week. So I I’m fully booked actually till February.

like four or five interviews a week. I need to slow down. I need to slow down and pace myself and just find time for myself. And, you know, just, I haven’t even had time to think about sponsors. And I reached out to one sponsor and they were like, yeah, and it wasn’t very much. It was like 50 bucks per episode. And then they turned around and said, oh, we’ve looked at your social media account and we think the impact of that might be harmful and might trigger some members of the community. You’re like, what the frack’s going wrong with this world?

So anyway, I need to get sponsors. Anyone listening who wants to sponsor me, please contact me. But anyway, William, look, we need to talk about turbo cancers. So what I mean by this is look, I was a doctor for 25 years. I have seen cancers. I’ve seen cancers in my dad, sadly. I don’t wanna talk about that. You’ll get me crying. He’s passed away now. But I’ve had patients present with cancers. And look, these things come slowly and build up.

Dr. William Makis MD (54:34.097)
Sure thing.

Ahmad (54:53.578)
I’ve never in 25 years ever heard of this diagnosis, turbo cancer. And there seems to be like all these new diagnoses like sudden death, you know, sudden this and turbo cancer. First of all, my friend, is there such a thing, is there such a thing as turbo cancer? And if there is, what the frack is it?

Dr. William Makis MD (55:19.025)
Well, there is now. And I’ll tell you, like I’ve diagnosed, I was sort of going back and trying to see how many cases I’ve diagnosed of cancer. It’s over 20,000 when I include all the research work I’ve done as well. So over 20,000 cancer cases diagnosed. I have a good sense of how cancers behave. And you always have, whether you take breast cancer, colon cancer, you will always have the rare.

poorly differentiated, de-differentiated tumor that is like very aggressive. And you’re like, oh, boy, like this is bad. You know, you’ll get a younger person and you’re like, man, this thing is like it’s lost all of its differentiation and it’s just like, you know, out of control. And even then, you know, the person will have maybe a year to live, two years to live. Nothing like I’ve seen since the rollout of the vaccines. Since the vaccines have been rolled out,

Ahmad (55:55.534)
Mmm.

Ahmad (56:17.75)
So, can I just pause you there? Just so that the listeners who are non-medics understand, differentiation is when you look under the microscope, cells look differently. Muscle cells, heart cells, blood vessel cells, blood white cells, they all have different shapes and characteristics, which represents also the kind of function that they do. And when cancers start growing, they typically look like the cell that they originated from. But when they get really aggressive, they don’t really have any shape.

and they, is that right? Is that really, am I bolting it up or is that correct?

Dr. William Makis MD (56:51.801)
Yeah, so they start losing certain receptors that are typical for that particular cell, right? They just start… they don’t have those receptors anymore. They start looking more generic and they replicate very quickly. So you could tell, you know, on the slides that, oh, these are… they don’t have the receptors anymore that basically give them their differentiation that differentiates a muscle cell from a breast cell and so on.

Ahmad (57:18.27)
Yep. Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (57:21.521)
and then they replicate very, very quickly, very aggressively. And then the more de-differentiated the cell is, the more aggressive, the more rapidly proliferating, and then the poorer prognosis. Now what we’re dealing with here is a brand new phenomenon. And when I say a brand new phenomenon is in vaccinated people, when they come down with cancer, they’re not coming down with stage one

one centimeter tumor or stage two, you know, a tumor and maybe a lymph node here. And then they’re presenting at stage four and they’re presenting at ages you don’t expect cancer. So for example, you’ll have a 20 year old presenting with stage four breast cancer. You’d never see that before the vaccines, right? Or you’ll have a 25 year old

presenting with stage four colorectal cancer with that 10 centimeter tumor. Like these are situations that I have never seen before. You’ll get multiple different cancer types in the same person presenting at the same time. They grow very, very rapidly. These tumors just… The reason why they’re called turbo cancers, and this is a lay term, I didn’t come up with this. I don’t know who did.

I do believe Dr. Charles Hoff, a family doctor from British Columbia, who actually started doing D-dimers on his vaccinated patients, found out that the D-dimers were elevated, and a lot of them, that’s a signal that they might be having blood clots. He sent a letter to the Minister of Health of British Columbia, and then they came after him. His clinic was actually burnt down. The entire town, small town that he was in, burnt down accidentally.

and he’s been struck off, he’s lost his license. And he started talking about turbo cancer last year. I’m not sure if he coined it, but you know, he was one of the early doctors talking about turbo cancer. The reason why they’re called turbo cancer is to describe the progression of the tumor that seems to be… You know how you like press forward? Let’s say you’re on a plane, you’re watching a movie and you press forward like three times to get like rapidly through the ads and so on.

Ahmad (59:19.319)
Wow.

Dr. William Makis MD (59:45.133)
like these cancers are on like a fast forward, is that their progression is so extremely rapid, they do not behave like the tumors that normally they’re supposed to be. So breast cancers not behaving like other breast cancers in vaccinated people, colon cancers not behaving like colon cancers, lung cancers not behaving like lung cancers, right? So it’s rapid growth.

Ahmad (01:00:05.774)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:00:12.921)
Presentation usually at stage four, resistance to conventional chemotherapy, radiation therapy, and even immunotherapy. So I’ve noticed that the standard regimens that oncologists apply to these stage four cancers and vaccinated people, they don’t work. Or at best, you get a partial response, partial response to chemo, and then like a month or two later, the tumor starts growing again. Right.

Ahmad (01:00:38.158)
Hmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:00:38.873)
So either partial response or no response to chemo, radiation and immunotherapy. And then very poor prognosis. And this is actually how I noticed them to begin with is I was monitoring Canadian doctors for sudden deaths. And then I see there was a 36 year, there were actually three doctors in one hospital in Ontario in Mississauga who died of cancer within days of each other. And after the rollout of the second booster shot, now that may not have been related because it was only a few days.

Ahmad (01:01:07.86)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:01:08.257)
So they were probably already on their third dose, right? But they died, they died of, so one was in his 30s, he died of lung cancer, sorry gastric cancer in less than a year, and another one was in his 40s, and he died of lung cancer in less than a year. And I thought, okay, that doesn’t happen. And at the same hospital, no less. And they died within days of each other, right? So who knows, maybe they got the same bad batch, right? Maybe they all went to the same hospital clinic.

to get their jabs because that’s what happens. Usually they’ll say, okay, today is jab clinic day and everyone go and go during your lunch break or whatever and you go and get your jab, right? And so maybe they got the same law. I don’t know, but they came down and they were dead in less than a year after diagnosis. I thought this is extremely strange. This doesn’t happen. The more I looked into it, the more I realized these cancers kill you in a matter of months. They present at stage four.

Ahmad (01:01:47.13)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:02:04.929)
And even when they present the oncologists are giving their patients two, three, four, five years to live because they’re like, look, we’ll put you on a chemotherapy regimen. We know that you have a prognosis of at least two, three, five years. Right. And then the patient’s dead after a month or two months. So how come the oncologists themselves are off by a factor of 10 when giving prognosis to these patients?

Ahmad (01:02:13.407)
Yeah, yeah.

Ahmad (01:02:21.997)
Okay.

Ahmad (01:02:28.878)
It’s terrifying because it sounds like it’s something that they aren’t even used to seeing. They’re not even accustomed to this.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:02:36.205)
No, the oncologist, I can tell you. Now, there may be only two or three of us in the world who are speaking out about this right now. Professor Daiglish in London, he’s speaking out as well. And of course, you’ve got Ryan Cole, he’s a pathologist, but he’s obviously, he’s seen a lot of cancer as a pathologist. But and then I think Professor Arne Burkhardt.

Ahmad (01:02:48.386)
dog leash

Dr. William Makis MD (01:03:03.269)
pathologist, German pathologist who recently died as well, he was doing some staining for the spike protein and so on. But oncologists, mainstream oncologists working in the hospitals who’ve taken their jabs and so on, they are being completely caught off guard by these cancers and where you see it, they’re not speaking out. But where you see it,

Ahmad (01:03:25.227)
Sorry, carry on.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:03:26.525)
Where you see it is when the cancer patient sets up a GoFundMe or a family member sets up a GoFundMe and they will give their medical history and the progression of the cancer in their GoFundMe page. And they’ll say, my oncologist expected the tumor to grow at this rate over 10 years, not over one month. That’s where they’re describing the stories and saying, my oncologist has never seen this.

my oncologist has never or they’ll say my surgeon has never operated on something like this. They’ll say you know some weird you know cardiac angiosarcoma and that surgeon has never seen a case in their entire practice for example and now they have several right. So this is where the stories are coming out they’re coming out through social media and they’re coming out through fundraising pages like GoFundMe and that’s where I’m seeing this information.

and I’m reading these stories and I’m analyzing these stories and then I will put them together. Of course, this is not a one-off, right? These are supposed to be one in a million cases. I’ll find 20, 30, 50, 100.

Ahmad (01:04:36.135)
So I’m gonna tell you a story. So I think part of the oncologists are genuinely not seeing it because they’re so blinded. Like they’re so blinded to accept that the thing that they were recommending and pushing and promoting and they subscribe to is actually causing so much harm. If they accept that’s what it is, we’ll destroy them.

So they don’t see it. But actually, I know there are doctors who know it’s this and are too scared to say anything. I have had conversations with doctors. I had a conversation with a neurologist who told me his clinic was bursting, his private practice was heaving. He was seeing all these weird and wonderful things. And I said, what’s driving it? I said, why are you seeing all this stuff? And I said, what are the reasons? He goes, the shots, the vaccines.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:05:06.925)
Yeah.

Ahmad (01:05:32.79)
And then he goes, you were right. And I said, why don’t you say anything? And he laughed and went, oh no, and walked out the room. So there’s two elements to this. They’re willfully blind or they’re just now gaslighting their patients and just not speaking up about it. Now I wanna tell you something. So last year when I was practicing still, I had this lovely lady, same age as me, young family, two young kids, and she had

Dr. William Makis MD (01:05:42.062)
Yeah.

Ahmad (01:06:02.402)
two feet that needed operated on, congenital problems, severe arthritis. And I did one side, I fused it, she was delighted, she came back a year later, I said, please do my other foot, I went, okay. And I then operated on her other foot. And I remember, so this is quite painful, I haven’t mentioned this to anyone ever. She rang me once on FaceTime, and she was crying, and she said, my back is killing me, and her husband was rubbing her back.

And it was all really weird and she was almost hysterical with this back pain. And she was like, just the whole spine. That didn’t really make sense. She’s sitting on the end of the bed and I didn’t really know what to say. I suggested painkillers or whatever. And anyway, she said, don’t worry about it, Mr. Matt, we’ll sort it out. I’m sorry for being such a drama queen, all that kind of stuff. And, and then I checked in on her and she said, I’m fine. I’m just taking lots of painkillers. I saw her a month later.

and her ex showed everything had healed and fused. She was walking, she was delighted. And I said, you know, I’ve really been great treating you. I, you know, keep in touch. And as she was leaving, she had her hand on the door handle and was about to leave and she looked back at me and went, oh, Doc. And the reason why this podcast is called Doc Malik is because people like her used to always call me Doc Malik. They didn’t like calling me Mr. Malik, which is what you call a surgeon. They thought it was too formal.

And I’m quite informal, as you can see from my attire. I was never a stuffy surgeon. So a lot of people call me Doc Malek. And it’s one of the reasons why this podcast is called Doc Malek, because of her, because of Tracy. And she said, oh, Doc Malek, if only you could fix my back.

And I stopped her then, I was about to dictate the letter, you know, I said, come back, come back, sit down, sit down. She went, no, I don’t want you to be late. I went, just shut up and sit down. Where is your back pain? She went in between my shoulder blades. Straight away, I got goosebumps because that’s mid thoracic and that’s a red flag. And actually that’s where my dad had his cancer symptoms. Then I asked another question, when is the pain worst? She went at night.

Ahmad (01:08:19.998)
It wakes me up from my sleep and it’s agony. So now she’s got two red flags and I got goosebumps. And I got, and that was also exactly what happened to my dad. I said, sit down, sit down, sit down. Have you got any history of cancer? She went, 10 years ago I had bowel cancer, but I’ve been cleared of that and I’ve been disease free. I was discharged five years ago, I’m fine. I went, I’m really, really sorry, but something weird has happened. If you had all your shots, she’d had her booster.

And I said, look, I need to investigate this. I’m going to order some scans. She went, no, it’s nothing serious. It’s nothing. It’s fine. I’m just being a baby. But I was like, no, no. I got her in the next week. I had all the tests. She had cancer, tumor of unknown cause throughout her spinal, paraspinal, lung, retroperitoneal tissue, everything. She was commenced in immunotherapy, blah, blah. I was at her funeral just a few months later.

I always beat myself up thinking if I had taken her symptoms seriously when she did the FaceTime, maybe I could have caught the cancer early and got it treated.

because she was in a lot of pain when she FaceTimed me. And I was like, I didn’t know what to say. And I didn’t offer her anything. And a month later, I’ve diagnosed her with cancer. Maybe in that month, I could have done something. But maybe if it was turbo cancer, there was nothing I could have done anyway. Sorry, I’m just getting a bit tearful.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:09:54.513)
Yeah. You know, what’s so hard about these cases is that what really frustrates me is…

Everyone’s denying, everyone’s denying it’s happening. And yet you’ve got thousands of people who are coming down with these cancers, who are dying from these cancers, and everyone’s denying it’s happening. It’s not happening. It’s made up. It’s all that. And you know how frustrating is that? Because these people, they go in, they go into their oncologist, their oncologist…

you know, a lot of the oncologists, they do their best. The surgeons, you know, the surgeons, they try to take out the tumor. Right after the surgery, they have imaging, they realize the tumor has spread. And I know a lot of oncologists, you know, sorry, surgeons, like, you know, if the cancer has spread to multiple places, they may not operate because that changes the management. That might change the management completely, right? So they obviously thought that it was contained. They tried to get it out, right?

and they find out, no, it has already spread to multiple places. You know, the medical oncologists, they try to give the chemotherapy regimens, radiation therapy, and I can see in a lot of cases they’re trying their best. They have no idea what they’re dealing with. And they’re telling the families, look, if you finish these six rounds of chemo and radiation, you’ve got, you know, at least another three to five years to live and so on. And then the patient dies a month or two later. And they have no clue what they’re dealing with.

We’re dealing with a new pathophysiology. We’re dealing with a new entity that no one really understands because we’ve got these genetic injections that we’ve never given before. And they go systemic. And they end up producing spike protein. And the spike protein can affect p53 and BRCA1. And it can interfere with DNA replications. And we’ve got

Dr. William Makis MD (01:11:56.173)
you know, the effect on the immune system that we completely don’t understand. The immune system seems to be damaged. Cancer surveillance seems to be damaged. You know, multiple shots, we get this shift to IgG4, which seems to completely change cancer surveillance. Now we’ve got this DNA contamination. We’ve got this SV40 promoter in the DNA contamination. We’ve got these plasmids. Maybe they’re integrating into our cells. Maybe they’re integrating into our bacteria.

We don’t know how much spike protein people are producing, for what length of time they’re producing spike protein. Like there are so many unknowns with these vaccines that they never studied. And they tell us, they tell us, we never studied for genotoxicity. This is out of the Pfizer approval documents that they got the emergency approval. No studies on genotoxicity, no studies on carcinogenicity. They…

never studied this or if they did they never told us and these studies are not available to anybody if they’ve done them at some point in previous years. So you know we’re dealing with so many unknowns but the most shocking thing and I think this is where cancer really stands apart from the other vaccine injuries and this turbo cancer issue is that they will admit the occasional blood clot they will admit the myocarditis they’ll say it’s rare and it’s mild and you’ll be fine

Ahmad (01:13:23.063)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:13:23.361)
even though high school kids are dropping dead from myocarditis or they need heart transplants but they’ll say it’s mild and rare but they’ll admit that it can happen. With the cancer they’re saying it cannot happen. I just watched this quick interview by Drew Wiseman who won the Nobel Prize for the mRNA vaccine and he says, oh this mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna

Ahmad (01:13:44.449)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:13:52.761)
And you know, it breaks down in less than a week, it’s gone, no possibility of injuries or side effects. Like, they’re lying to us. Everyone with this technology, who’s made money, is lying to us. They’re lying to us, they’re gaslighting us, and they’re not allowing doctors to even investigate. You know, doctors like us, we would love to do some research and investigate some of these injuries.

Ahmad (01:14:11.266)
That’s it.

Ahmad (01:14:18.039)
Dude.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:14:18.753)
We will never be given the resources, we’ll never be given the funding, we’ll never be allowed to do any kind of research to even figure out what’s happening. And so with these turbo cancers, there’s a lot of theories what causes the turbo cancers, but nobody knows, nobody knows exactly what’s causing it. And maybe if we figure out what’s causing it, maybe we can save these patients, like your patient. Maybe if we knew, okay, you know, there’s a certain…

Ahmad (01:14:33.548)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:14:45.113)
you know, process that gets knocked out, maybe we can figure out a treatment and maybe we can save these people. And maybe we can save them in time before the cancer consumes them in a matter of a few months. But no one is doing the research and no one is allowed to do the research.

Ahmad (01:15:00.202)
100%. So just going back to that guy who won the Nobel Prize, how shocking, how shocking that, this is what I mean, the people who are guilty all seem to be rewarded and get promoted upwards, and people like you and me get squished and squashed down. You know, and here we are, we’ve lost everything, and we’re still battling. And you know, I would say you are a true doctor. You are, you know, you might have been disgraced, or you know, you know,

damaged you in your career, but you haven’t given up what it means to be a doctor. The essence of it, to stand by your patients, to do well by them, to look after them, to promote good health. You know, you’re still fighting the fight. You’re doing a hell of a lot more than people who are sitting in, you know, the big hospitals and the, and the professors and the titles, you know, screw them. They’re doing nothing. So, you know, well done, William. And it’s funny, you should mention the word investigate.

That was what the word was that I used in my video last year. I said, we need to investigate what’s going on. Because you know what it’s like as a doctor, unless you know what the diagnosis is, you can’t even begin with the treatment. And we need to know, you know, there’s a, we think there’s a diagnosis. Something seriously is going wrong. Something’s going wrong with all these things that we’re seeing. We need to investigate and figure out what it is and then do something about it.

And maybe precautionary principle, we need to take on board the biggest experiment that humankind has ever seen. We need to stop it. Not just the COVID shots, but every single goddamn mRNA technology. And not even that is enough. We need to look at vaccines as a whole. We need to look at the medical industrial complex. We need to look at the way medical doctors are trained. We need to look at our medical journals. We need to look at our licensing boards. We need to look at the regulatory authorities.

We need to look at fracking everything because otherwise the shit’s going to happen again. And that’s what I mean. Like we really need to investigate and do something about it. But no, guess what? You and I are getting investigated. You and I get investigated for calling out the BS. I mean, this is the definition of an upside down world, my friend. Seriously. Now, can I ask you something else? Like, um, no, carry on, Karen.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:17:20.13)
sleep whatever yeah

Dr. William Makis MD (01:17:24.413)
I was just going to say that whenever I post a sudden death on Twitter or whenever I do my articles on Substack, I never presume the diagnosis or I never presume what happened because I can have my theories or I can have a differential diagnosis, I could have my suspicions, but I always say and people that say, look, this is all long COVID or COVID is causing all of this.

Ahmad (01:17:47.886)
and I’ll see you next time.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:17:53.209)
you know, blood clots and myocarditis and cancers, I say, okay, let’s do the autopsies. Please, let’s do the autopsies of every unusual death, sudden death, unexpected death. Let’s do the proper autopsies with the proper staining. Let’s stain for the vaccine spike protein. Let’s stain for the other COVID viral proteins, whether it’s the nucleocapsid protein or other proteins. I mean, COVID has like 20 plus proteins that you could potentially stain for.

Ahmad (01:17:55.95)
Mm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:18:23.357)
let’s do the proper staining. It can be done. It’s fairly easy. It’s not expensive. But let’s investigate. Let’s do the autopsies. And if we find out that it’s long COVID that’s killing all these people unexpectedly, I’ll be the first one to be putting it out on my social media and saying, look, long COVID is killing everybody. Let’s do something about it. Right. Or if it’s heaven forbid, if it’s climate change, right. If climate change is killing everybody and we have a way of figuring it out on autopsy.

then I’ll be the first one to be back in climate change. But let’s do the autopsies with the proper staining and the proper investigation. And you know what? If it’s the vaccines, then let’s immediately take the vaccines off the market and let’s investigate and prosecute those responsible for the vaccines. And that is why they do not want to allow the autopsies to be done. In Canada, you cannot get a proper autopsy done.

No one has done autopsy with staining for the spike proteins, for the viral proteins, even though if they could figure out that, yes, it’s long COVID that’s killing all these people unexpectedly, it would be basically, it would be case closed for Pfizer and Moderna. They’d say, look, we were right. It’s long COVID that’s killing them. And, you know, but there’s thousands and thousands of deaths that are, there’s no autopsy being done.

Ahmad (01:19:32.994)
Exactly.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:19:47.001)
the proper autopsies are not being done, and you’ll get the result as being inconclusive, indeterminate, or it will be something else. But they didn’t do the proper autopsy, the proper staining. And I always say, please, let’s just do the investigation. Do the investigations, do the proper autopsies, and let’s have an answer once and for all. And we could have an answer. We could do a few thousand autopsies, get it published, put the information out publicly, publish it, and we would know.

Ahmad (01:20:02.561)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:20:16.761)
Why are we having this mystery of all these unexplained, thousands and thousands of unexplained deaths? They will not allow it. The medical authorities will not allow it. And that to me is a huge red flag, and that is an indication that they know what’s killing these people, they know it’s the vaccines, and they do not want that information exposed. They don’t want to stop the gravy train, which is a multi-hundred billion dollar…

train that so many people have benefited from and made money from. This is a multi-hundred billion dollar industry that no one wants to stop.

Ahmad (01:20:49.215)
Yes.

Ahmad (01:20:56.418)
100% right. And I, you know, I’m sorry, it’s not, I don’t think, I don’t think it’s just, Oh, these people have got good intentions. Look, most doctors I think are good trying to do what’s right. But I think most doctors now have been brainwashed into just conformity and obedient and, you know, blind obedience to authority and whether it’s the protocols and the guidelines and, you know, just authority stamping down, you just, you’re not allowed to be different.

practice as a unique practitioner anymore. You just, you have to follow the crowd. So I think that’s a problem of our specialty, but also I think there are some people who know something’s not right, but they are profiting from this. They’re profiting in their career, financially, reputationally, and you know what? They’re choosing to look the other way or they’re facilitating it. And I have no forgiveness for those people.

I really don’t. And I think it’s time that way past that time when people were held accountable and were locked up in jail, had all their assets taken away from them, named and shamed, you know, because otherwise, you know, nothing’s gonna change, William. And it’s funny, you know, you and I are in the dock. For what? For saying we need an investigation and we need to look into what’s going on and what’s happening.

It’s bad times, William. It really, really is bad times. I mean, I mean…

Dr. William Makis MD (01:22:30.962)
It is. And you know, as hopeful as I try to be, you know, and I do try to be hopeful, you know, and I talk about, well, let’s address the spike protein, you know, there’s things you can take, natokinase, bromelain, ivermectin, quercetin, NAC, you name it. Like, there’s things you can take to mitigate the damage and so on. But, you know, they have hundreds of mRNA vaccines in the pipeline. They’re starting to advertise for the…

mRNA RSV vaccines in pregnant women. You know, they’re starting to push. I think the mRNA influenza vaccines are going to be on the market in a matter of months. They have no intention of stopping. They’re going to keep rolling out this failed, flawed technology, harmful technology, this mRNA technology with the lipid nanoparticle platform. Like you said, they’re building factories everywhere.

They’re building, I think, two factories in Canada. They want a factory on every continent, and each factory is gonna produce hundreds of millions of doses of a toxic failed product that is killing people. And they have no intention of stopping.

Ahmad (01:23:39.274)
You can’t help, you can’t help, you can’t help but think this is democide and depopulation. You know, honestly, I don’t blame people for thinking that. You know, I’m not sure if that’s what is happening. I’m not sure if it’s just pure blind pharma greed, but I can see why people would think that. Like, where else is a technology so flawed and so damaged, but still so heavily promoted and talked about as if it’s the best thing ever? Can you imagine a car?

that crashed and killed people left, right and center. And instead of saying, oh my God, what an embarrassment. But they just went, right, we’re building a hundred new factories and we’re gonna sell, and we’re gonna force you to buy these cars. Like who, you know, you would be wondering why the hell are they doing this to us? Why are they forcing us to buy these cars that crash and kill people all the time? It doesn’t make sense. Is it just about making money and selling cars? Like it’s madness. And you know, you talk about, you know,

Dr. William Makis MD (01:24:31.918)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:24:37.369)
It’s madness.

Ahmad (01:24:38.006)
The RSV, you know, I talked about this on my Twitter today. Like, why are we giving hep B shots to infants, babies, the moment they’re born? Hep B, when I was in med school, dude, it was, we were told it was the drug addicts and the prostitutes, you know, sexually promiscuous, those, the high risk groups that got hep B. And as a doctor, you might be exposed, and you’re IVDU or whatever, and you get prick or what.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:25:00.485)
Yeah.

Ahmad (01:25:05.846)
So you need to be vaccinated. You know, at the time I knew nothing. I know even less now. And I was like, okay, yeah, fine. Took the Hep B shot. But a baby has just been born. You know, the baby was comfortable in the womb. It was like swimming around in a swimming pool, getting food on the tap whenever it wanted. Happy days. And then suddenly the baby’s being forced out into this bright, cold, horrible world. And the first thing it knows, jab. What the fuck?

What’s happened to us? It’s just…

I just don’t understand, mate. I just don’t understand. Because if it’s really, the argument is, oh, you know, the baby might have hip B. Well, test the mother. You’ve got nine months to test the mother. It’s a simple test. And if she doesn’t have it, there you go. No one is asking, no one is questioning. We’re just blindly taking more and more jabs and shots. So listen, one of the things that I know is definitely a good

sound advice would be, from my point of view, I’d be like, don’t take any more of these shots. You alluded to things like choirsotin and anything. Are there things, I wanna give hope to people who might have had the shots, because William, there’s a lot of people now listening to my podcast who took the shot, didn’t want it, were forced to take it. I don’t want them to feel terrified that, you know what, they’re all gonna get turbo cancer and die. There’s always things we can do. We keep our stress down, go to sleep, eat healthy, keto diet.

Oh, Travis Christophofferson said, you know, your chemo and radio is more effective if you’re keto, you’re running on ketones. You know, starve the cancer cells of their gluconeogenesis, get into ketosis. But are there any other supplements or anything that you could recommend that people take, like nato kinase or whatever else? What would you recommend to people who had the jab?

Dr. William Makis MD (01:26:40.657)
Yep.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:27:04.005)
You know, I always start when I do an approach to, let’s say, vaccine injury, long COVID, or even people who struggle with shedding, for example, I always start with fasting, a fasting and autophagy and a three day fast, not like a small fast, like a solid three day fast, 72 hours, just water, right? Or you could throw in some electrolytes, what have you. But a 72 hour fast, get that autophagy going, get the body clearing some of the damaged.

cells, the cells that have been maybe, the cells that are expressing spike protein and have damaged the cell, or maybe there’s been some DNA damage or what have you. Well, so that’s the interesting thing. How often, if you’ve had any kind of vaccine injury, I would suggest at least maybe once a month, you could maybe even do it twice a month, but more often than less, because you know, just as a general kind of a

Ahmad (01:27:38.19)
How often do you do that? How often?

Ahmad (01:27:52.13)
Right. OK.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:28:00.293)
health and wellness, they say, well, you know, maybe you do it once a season or something like that. But if you’ve had, you know, you’ve had a few shots and you feel something’s not right or you’ve had some kind of symptoms or side effects, I would try it, try it once a month and see how that works. And some people have had significant improvement in their symptoms just from a three-day fast. You could even try a four-day fast, even a five-day fast, you know, you could do it. The three days seems to be where you get kind of the maximal

benefits and it’s not as painful to do. I did two three-day fasts just in the last couple of months. Very doable. Now you could do it with black coffee. I’m a heavy coffee drinker so you could do it with black coffee which actually stimulates the autophagy more or you could drink tea like a plain tea right in the UK. But you know because I would get headaches probably from the coffee withdrawal so that doesn’t break the fast. A black coffee doesn’t break the fast.

help actually stimulate the autophagy. But the key is the autophagy, which is the body’s process of clearing damaged cells. And also apparently it stimulates stem cell production and stem cell production in the immune system. So it actually kind of starts refreshing the immune system. And a lot of vaccinated people have a damaged immune system. And that’s one of the few ways that you could actually in a way reboot your immune system with several three-day fasts.

and then you get stem cells, maybe you get stem cells sent to certain areas of the body, you might need them. That’s the number one thing, and it’s free, no supplements, and I highly recommend people try it. If you’ve had any kind of vaccine injury, try these three-day fasts. Then, we tend to see the spike protein as the toxic agent that’s causing the damage. Now, that could be damage from the lipid nanoparticles.

I don’t know how you deal with that. I don’t know much about the lipid nanoparticles themselves. I mean, they are inflammatory themselves, but we know that the spike protein is doing a lot of damage and you can mitigate that damage by taking things that break down the spike protein. So that’s the natokinase that’s derived from fermented soybeans, bromelain derived from pineapple plant.

Ahmad (01:29:57.803)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:30:20.989)
Some people try seropeptase or lumbar kinase. These are kinases, these are proteases that have been shown to break down the spike protein anywhere in the body. And so you take one of those, of course, you know, you have to if you’re on blood thinners, you have to be careful with natokinase because it breaks down. It’s a blood thinner as well. It breaks down blood clots. Interestingly, it’s supposed to break down amyloidogenic proteins and priogenic proteins.

which were just, this is just coming out now that people might actually be producing all kinds of other proteins because of this frame shift scenario. And so maybe you’re not even producing the spike protein after you take the vaccines, but you might be producing all kinds of other abnormal, misfolded abnormal proteins that could be amyloidogenic.

Ahmad (01:30:51.135)
Mm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:31:12.665)
So if they accumulate in the brain, maybe you start getting early Alzheimer’s. If they accumulate in the heart, you get cardiac amyloidosis that could lead to cardiac failure. And so natokinase also breaks down these abnormal proteins. So you’re getting multiple effects in one shot. And that’s part of Dr. Peter McCullough’s basic detox protocol, natokinase and bromelain, to break down these abnormal spike proteins and other abnormal proteins. Then there’s a lot of things that bind the spike protein

Ahmad (01:31:18.883)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:31:28.59)
Mm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:31:42.353)
and either alter it or prevent it from doing damage. Ivermectin is a main one. So some people have had improvement in symptoms just with Ivermectin, not everybody though. So it’s something worth trying. Quercetin is another one. Quercetin, olive leaf, Artemisia annua, black seed known as Nigella sativa, dandelion root or dandelion extract.

Ahmad (01:31:52.302)
Mm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:32:11.333)
These are things that have been shown to bind the spike protein and potentially prevent it from doing damage. So you could try any of those, right? It’s no one knows which one works better or, you know, some things work for some people and for others, it’s something else. So it’s really a trial and error kind of approach. I always say you also have to add a strong antioxidant to deal with some of the oxidative damage that seems to happen because of the spike protein and the inflammation and the cytokines.

Ahmad (01:32:16.174)
Hmm

Dr. William Makis MD (01:32:40.533)
And you talked about damage to the mitochondria. Again, a lot of, you know, it’s these free radicals, right? Free radical species that get produced. So vitamin C, I believe is a big one, vitamin C. And NAC, which is N-acetylcysteine, very powerful antioxidant, and has helped people who’ve had chronic lung issues, also seems to have anti-inflammatory effects on the brain. So another one that I think has to be in your arsenal.

Ahmad (01:32:54.992)
Mm.

Ahmad (01:33:04.898)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:33:09.333)
NAC, N-Acetylcysteine. And then I would say, you know, you talked about the ketogenic diet, which I think is key. Vitamin D, I think is another key aspect that is often not talked about. Certainly our health authorities never talk about vitamin D, the public health officials never talk about vitamin D. High dose vitamin D and getting your vitamin D levels up because it helps your immune system and it is protective against certain cancers. The higher your vitamin D levels,

Ahmad (01:33:19.203)
Mmm.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:33:37.849)
the lower your risk of certain cancers, like breast cancers, colon cancers. And a lot of studies have come out showing that the people who really struggled with COVID-19 and had severe COVID-19, had to be in the ICU or died, almost all of them were vitamin D deficient. And it seems the more severely vitamin D deficient you were, the worse you did, the worst outcome you had with COVID-19. So I think that’s a big one, vitamin D, get your levels up.

Ahmad (01:33:54.816)
wrong.

Ahmad (01:33:58.391)
Yeah.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:34:07.641)
And then just good eating exercise and that kind of thing.

Ahmad (01:34:10.638)
Do you know, that was an amazing list, William. Like that was really, really powerful. And thank you so much for going through that. I need to make a short clip of that so people learn and know. And it’s funny, public health officials know things like vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, sorry, vitamin. And all of these things, all of these things they knew help with colds and influenza. Do you remember any public health officials saying everyone go get some vitamin D, go get some sunlight?

Dr. William Makis MD (01:34:29.713)
I think, yes, another important.

Ahmad (01:34:39.874)
I don’t remember that. You know, so what I’m trying to say is these people at the top, the chief medical officers and the Fauci’s and God knows who else, these people are meant to be smart. They, if we know this stuff, they know this stuff. And if they weren’t talking about it, that’s not good. That’s not good. That’s not because they made a little boo boo. Okay, maybe the British one forgot, maybe the French one forgot, but they’re all.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:34:41.677)
Not one.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:34:55.243)
Thank you.

Ahmad (01:35:09.162)
forgot to mention it. They all forgot to talk about it. You know, this is what I think you mean by the lockstep manner in which things were done. And the truth is this whole thing of, Oh, you know what, they were just incompetent. You know, they’re well intentioned. You know, it was a pandemic. No, no, no. It was a plan. Damn it. It was never a pandemic. There was nothing lethal about this virus. There was nothing novel about this virus.

The only thing that killed anything was critical thinking, and that was by fear. Fear, propaganda, behavioral manipulation killed critical thinking. And everything else was a scamdemic. Um, I’ve got one last question for you and then I need to go bad cause I’m getting really tired. But you’re a lucky charm for me because while we’ve been speaking, I

I’ve had a few notifications come on my email and I’ve never had this. So I’ve got a new paid subscriber. Thirty five pounds a year. I think I might put that up, actually, because it’s not enough. But Yvonne Drury, thank you so much for subscribing. Jeanette Nisek, you just bought me five coffees. Thank you so much. And Trish Lawrence, again.

Thank you so much, and Rosa, and Garrett. So yeah, you’re my lucky charm. I’ve never had so many people just suddenly like, message me and subscribe and whatever. It’s like, what the hell? Like, what have you done, William? Can you please come on my show every night? Ha ha ha. Um, and listen, I really, really enjoy talking to you. I can talk easily to two, two and a half hours, but I’m tired now. Um, I want-

Dr. William Makis MD (01:36:52.135)
I’d love to.

Ahmad (01:37:03.218)
you to come back in the new year, please at some point, March, April, if you can. I’d love that, my friend. Thank you. The last question is the question, pleasure, the last question I ask all my guests are, imagine, William, you’re dying, you’re on your deathbed, you’re 150, you’re surrounded by your family. Before you pass on, what advice are you gonna give to your family and your loved ones, health or otherwise, before you go?

Dr. William Makis MD (01:37:08.087)
Absolutely.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:37:11.386)
Well, thank you so much.

Ahmad (01:37:32.142)
Just meet your maker.

Dr. William Makis MD (01:37:36.229)
I would say always, always think for yourself. Always evaluate everything critically yourself. Don’t trust anybody. Trust yourself. Trust your gut instinct. And protect yourself. Protect your loved ones. Protect your family, because nobody else will. And I think we really saw that during this pandemic. Whenever I.

Whenever I post the sudden deaths, and some of them are very difficult because you could see just how much these people trusted, just how much they trusted their doctor, they trusted their pediatrician, they trusted their public health officials, they trusted their hospital, they trusted their college, they trusted the Lancet, they trusted their medical associations, they trusted their politicians.

And you see, like they trusted these people with their lives. They trusted these people with their children’s lives. And these people stabbed them in the back. They lied to them. They basically didn’t care if they lived or died. And, you know, they gave them advice that ended up leading them to their death or leading them to their family member’s death. And it’s so painful to see.

that these were good people, hardworking people, they had jobs, they tried to put food on the table for their families, sometimes they leave behind three, four, five children, and they trusted these people and these people gave them advice that basically led to their death. And so if there’s anything that I…

will leave to my kids is think for yourself, trust yourself, protect yourself, protect your loved ones, and because nobody else will. It’s tragic that that’s the reality of our world, but that is what the last three years have showed us. And I think the people who did that, who trusted themselves and…

Dr. William Makis MD (01:39:54.953)
and really looked at things critically and didn’t implicitly trust anybody else to protect their family, a lot of those people are gonna do okay, they’re gonna be fine and their families are gonna be fine. So that’s kind of what I would leave to my kids, hopefully.

Ahmad (01:40:11.15)
Powerful, powerful William. William, God bless you and everyone listening. Thank you so much for listening. I really appreciate all of you for hanging in and my podcasts aren’t short, they’re long. But I’m amazed that the retention, average is about 80%. It’s really interesting, when I was doing research looking at podcasts, it said the average podcast is 45 minutes long and the average retention is 60%. And here are my podcasters.

over double that length and the retention is even higher. So it means that you guys are really listening. You are, you know, a great bunch of followers and listeners. You’re taking everything seriously. You’re taking everything on board. You’re open-minded, you’re inquisitive, and it’s clearly resonating with, you know, what you think and feel. So thank you for listening, because, you know, William and I can be talking just on our own.

But I think listening to William, it’s just so powerful. His knowledge and his experience and what he has to say. I personally, William, I feel like the whole world should be hearing this conversation. Like not me, but what you have to say. And I just thank all my listeners out there and all of them also sharing and spreading and telling their friends, hey, check this out. Hey, telling their partners, you should listen to this one. Because a lot of them are struggling to wake up their own partners.

their family, their children, their friends. So if this podcast can be useful in that way, to just get people to start thinking in a different way and start asking questions and put little seeds in their brains, then you know we win. Because I’ll tell you one thing, once people wake up, they don’t really go back. They won’t buy this shit again. And that’s the way we win. All right, William, God bless you and thank you so much. William, I hope you enjoyed that.