If You Have A Pet, Listen To Roger Meacock A Vet Unlike Most Others

Roger Meacock is a vet, but not a conventional one. Roger has been at the forefront of quantum veterinary medicine in the UK for the last 25+ years. His practice, Natural Healing Solutions, offers a referral and 2nd opinion veterinary service throughout the UK and internationally.

Roger believes that like humans, animals and pets should be eatng their natural diets, should avoid vaccines and toxins for optimal health.

I had a fascinating conversation with Roger and as someone who has pets I learnt a great deal.

I hope you do too and enjoy the conversation.

Ahmad (00:00.31)
Boom! Roger, you’re the first. I’ve had several guests now, probably up to over 90, since I started this podcast on the 24th of May, I think it was. The first one is not going to talk about what affects human beings directly anyway, because you’re a vet, aren’t you? Yes.

Ahmad (00:31.018)
Um, but not a regular vet either. So. Yeah. Well, I don’t like to do anything regular. I like to have things all mixed up and interesting. Um, and I, I love animals. We’ve got quite a lot. We’ve got two beautiful cats, one of whom has an identity crisis. She identifies as a dog. I posted some pictures on X yesterday. I was on the throne and this cat that loves me followed me in and then sat

in my pyjamas, I throw it down beside my ankle. And she follows me everywhere, she sleeps on me, which is annoying, because I wake up and she’s on my chest purring away. She follows me around, sits on my lap when I’m trying to get some work done. I’m surprised she’s not here right now, she’s probably snoozing, but you’ll see her in the door, no doubt, soon. But anyway, I love animals, and I think the ability to love an animal makes you a better human being, and if you can’t love an animal, you can’t love a human being.

So animals are great and the welfare of animals are extremely important for a lot of us who are pet owners, whether they’re cats or dogs or any other animals. And I had a conversation with someone called Thomas Seyfried who’s a professor and he looks into metabolic health. And it was about cancer when I was talking to him. But he said to me, look, Ahmed, you don’t see animals with cancer and these illnesses because they’re eating their evolutionary diet.

If you feed monkeys and chimpanzees donuts and burgers, yeah they’ll love it, and pizzas, and they’ll get fat, obese, sick, and unhealthy. So the reason why we are unhealthy is we’re not eating what we’re meant to eat. And that’s what sparked this interest in my head. Are we feeding our pets the right food? Are we looking after them? Because the more I talk to people, the more I realize food is medicine, diet is medicine. What we eat and what we put in our body dictates our health.

And that must clearly be the same for our pets. So I really wanted to have a vet in, and not traditional vet, but someone like you is into natural healing and natural health, to basically educate me and my listeners and talk about what some of the problems might be with mainstream veterinary medicine, because as an orthopedic surgeon, I can tell you right now, there are major problems with allopathic medicine. We are…

Ahmad (02:57.858)
wholly dependent and indoctrinated on the pharma, you know, way of practicing medicine. Everything is about a drug, a tablet, a vial, an injection. And I’ve kind of really gone away from that and I’m looking at diet and lifestyle changes. And I’m really curious as to whether things are similar in the veterinary world, whether the same kind of division is apparent there. So that’s why you’re here, my friend. I really can’t wait to hear you. So that’s enough of me.

and the introduction over to you, my friend. Well, yeah, no, you’re absolutely spot on and I would say it’s actually worse in the vetting profession. Oh, okay, why’s that? Because we have McDonald’s in our waiting rooms every day and we sell McDonald’s. Now we’re selling processed foods to pets and the vets are selling it. And it’s, as you quite rightly say, we are what we eat and that’s the same for our animals as it is for us.

Ahmad (03:57.218)
very much, you know, let medicine be your food and food be your medicine is absolutely true. And certainly for the cats and dogs, they are pet carnivores. The cats are regarded as obligate carnivores and dogs are regarded as facultative carnivores, which means they can eat other things. But what you can eat to survive. So explain what obligative and facultative. Yeah, obligative means that cats have to eat meat.

They have to, so all these vegan diets for cats are absolutely 100% wrong, same as they are for us. And… Thank you for saying that. And I’m full carnivore diet myself. Another one, oh my God, listen, sorry for interrupting. The more I speak to people about health, the more I’ll just, yeah, I’m carnivore, I’m full of carnivore. I’m like, what? So I’m not, I’m 75%, 80% carnivore, and…

I have a little bit of veggies and stuff like that. Go the whole way. But. Do it. Okay. Rachel Brown, Anthony Chaffee, Isabella Cooper, they’ll all love this, what you’re saying. Anyway, carry on, carry on. So, yeah, so cats have to eat meat. Dogs are what’s called facultative carnivores, so they can survive by not eating meat.

But being able to survive on not eating meat in a situation where they, you know, if they’re hunting, maybe the animals aren’t available, they’ve gone into hibernation for the winter or something. Obviously, the wolves have to go through the winter. So the option is eat something or starve and die. So, you know, if you only ever had

you were stuck in here, you couldn’t get the door open and you only had chocolate to eat for two or three days. Yes, you could eat chocolate quite happily and wouldn’t be good for you, but it get you through to the point where you’re able to then go back on your proper diet. And that’s effectively what happens with dogs. So they do better. They thrive on raw meat and bone.

Ahmad (06:18.666)
And I would actually go so far to say is a lot of the raw feeders aren’t doing it properly either because they’re still giving vegetables. So hold on one second. So dogs should be eating raw meat. And bone. They are pure carnivores. If you look at the anatomy of their head, they’ve got a hinging jaw that only goes up and down. There’s no sideways movement. There is no plant grinding ability. They don’t have teeth for grinding plants. They don’t have multiple stomachs like calves? They don’t have any fermentation areas.

for plant material, same as we don’t. So they are not adapted to eating plant material at all. But obviously it’s cheaper to include plant ingredients in a diet than just feed raw meat and bone. But ultimately, I always say to people, if you don’t see it on a David Attenborough show, then you don’t need to do it for them. So you don’t see wild dogs and cats attacking wheat fields, you don’t see them digging vegetables.

You don’t see them going to the mint store. You know, they have basically what they hunt or they scavenge. And you don’t get fussy cats in the wild either. You know, this idea that cats are very fussy feeders is complete myth. You know, you won’t see a cheetah walking past a wildebeest and saying, oh, I’m not having that today, only eat zebra. You know, it just doesn’t happen. So the reason why…

cats are addicted to their commercial pet foods is because the only way they could get them to eat it in the first place was to put taste enhancers in it. So it’s made the cats addictive to their food and to a certain degree, lesser degree, the dogs as well. Hold on a second, so there’s addictive food and cat food? You look at the behavior when they’re waiting for their food. It’s not just hunger. That’s an addict behavior.

So they’ve designed the cat food so that it’s hyper palatable, just like human food has been designed? Yeah, they couldn’t, we wouldn’t get them to eat it otherwise. Oh frack. Oh my God. I didn’t know it was dark like this in the, I’m sorry, in the veterinary, you know, animal. Well, it’s a bit naive. I mean, I don’t, it shouldn’t, why should it not be any different? Every industry is corrupt. Name me one that isn’t, when you, when you really go into it, name me one industry that isn’t corrupt.

Ahmad (08:43.234)
all about the money. It’s funny. Yeah. I posted this on X this morning. I was, I was saying how everything we see in the world today, all, I mean, we’re digressing big time here, but like, you know, the whole Middle East conflict and Muslim and Christian and people are like, Oh, Muslims are bad and they’re taking over the world. Everyone’s being played. It’s all. Corruption. Divide and conquer. Divide and conquer, dude. It’s all about divide and conquer. And it’s all, it’s all driven by money.

Money and power, and the money comes in different forms. It can be trade, it can be oil, gas, pipelines, but it’s all about how do you get as much money as possible, and to maintain that money you need control, and then divide and rule, and everything we see around us is corrupt. And it’s horrible when you start looking at the world like that. You know, it kind of shatters a lot of the world view for a lot of people, and they find it quite difficult to appreciate. Like just hearing it from you now about even cat food and dog food, it’s just…

It’s kind of hit me as I, oh, shit. Yeah, of course. But that’s, it’s very upsetting to hear it. It is. I mean, everybody, you know, vets included are, are doing, doing everything with the best intention, you know, let’s, let’s not try and smear people here. You know, there’s very few really evil people in the world. The vast majority of people want to get on with each other and they want to do the best and they think they’re doing the best.

the problem you’ve got is same as you’re saying with the farmer in the human side. You know, the pet food industry has bought the universities. So they even I’ve seen contracts from 20, 30 years ago, and I doubt they’re much different now. But basically, the pet food companies had a veto on what the students were allowed to hear in terms of lectures on nutrition. Oh, wow. Yeah. So

Oh wow, do you know, do you know when I went through med school and that was between, oh god I’m sounding really old now, 1993 and 1998. I kid you not, I don’t remember having one lecture on nutrition or food or diet or any of that business. No. Nada. I didn’t have a, I don’t remember one lecture on vaccines. Nada. I don’t remember any lectures on sleep or lifestyle.

Ahmad (11:10.322)
or how to exercise. And the funny thing is, you know what, Rogers, it ain’t complicated because this dumb arthropod is able to teach his four year old about these basic principles and they couldn’t teach me that in med school. And I doubt it’s changed much, but we’re speaking to people now, it hasn’t changed much in med school. And it’s kind of like obvious that it wouldn’t be any different in veterinary school.

You know, the big misnomer, as we call it, a health industry, and it isn’t, it’s an illness industry. Hmm. You know, that’s, that’s the biggest con. Um, and, and as you say, you know, health is fundamental. No people and animals have survived millions of years by eating their species appropriate diet, and really that is, that is the crucial, you know, that’s your number one big health thing there is, is what you eat.

And the pet food companies, they’ve brought in all sorts of concepts like balance. Because if you’re going to try and get somebody to feed your pooch or your kitten or your cat from a single bag, and that’s all they’re ever going to eat from the rest of their life, that concept of balance actually has to be there, because otherwise there’ll be nutritional deficiencies.

proper evolutionary diet, then by the fact that you choose different ingredients and the fact that it is your evolutionary diet, by eating that you will roughly get the right nutrients for the right calorific input. You know, nature has evolved to be that way and that’s how it’s supposed to be. You only have to worry about balance and supplements and all the rest of it when you move away from what we’re supposed to be eating.

And that’s the same for people as it is for animals as well. So, you know, so you don’t see animals in the wild, so carnivores, pet cats and dogs, you don’t see them attacking vegetables, you don’t see them digging vegetables or attacking wheat fields, they scavenge. And that’s really what they’re supposed to be eating is raw meat and bone. And it’s not…

Ahmad (13:29.65)
And pre-ground again is another problem that I have an issue with as well, which makes me perhaps different from a lot of the raw feeding vets. Now, I think that makes sense because, you know, speaking to some of the holistic dentists out there, one of the problems that we’ve got now with humans developing their jaw structure, they’re eating such soft, gloopy food, that their actual mandibular development is impaired. You get this micrognathia, this recessed jaw.

And actually what you should be eating is meat, tough tissue, biting, chewing, tearing into it. And if you don’t do that, like everything, if you don’t use it, you lose it and it doesn’t develop properly. And I guess it’s the same with animals. Now, we’re not gonna go through every single pet. We’re not gonna go through parakeets and parrots and little lizards and everything, but let’s just stick to dogs and cats right now. I’ve got cats and I think I’m guilty of not giving them the right food because again, pure ignorance. What should I be feeding my…

cats? There is a book, I think it’s called Cats Would Choose Mice and it’s again it’s sort of one of these whistleblowing books on the pet food industry. So basically carnivores are supposed to eat raw meat and bone and you know everybody focuses on the human side as well on the sort of the chemical composition and nutritional composition in terms of you know proteins and fats

and micronutrients and all the rest of it, although I don’t think we fully understand those either. And actually the physical aspect of the diet, as you quite rightly say, is equally important. So when dogs and cats are chewing on raw meaty bones, and the emphasis is on the meat rather than the bone there, then it performs a function. If they’re gnawing, they get endorphin release, they get…

know if they’re having to crunch up the bones themselves and this is why it’s important it’s raw because raw bones are able to be crunched up cooked bones are the problem ones they the ones that cause splintering and cause problems so you know it’s very important that we you know follow it properly and raw means raw and the bones are included and so when they’re crunching those up it actually keeps the teeth clean it keeps that

Ahmad (15:50.742)
gum-tooth margin very strong because that’s where bacteria, as we know from our dentistry, the dentist will check to see what depth the pockets there are in the gum by the tooth. But if you’re eating the right sort of food that actually keeps that margin strong because it’s been challenged, then that junction stops bacteria getting in. And of course, if we have got continual

Ahmad (16:21.038)
constantly under pressure to try and keep everything as clean and healthy as possible. And then of course you’ve got… Well, there’s a direct correlation between dental hygiene and cardiac health in humans. Absolutely. Infectious myocarditis and all the rest of it. Absolutely. So, you know, it’s hugely important. So another thing, obviously, if you’re feeding food that’s

Ahmad (16:50.146)
take for example, because it’s raw, there may well be a little bit of bacterial contamination on there. So if you’re grinding it all up, where does that contamination go? All the way through it. If you’re feeding a chicken drumstick like my terrier has, if there’s any contamination on it, it’s on the outside. So the first thing that his stomach acid will do when the food goes into his stomach is to actually kill off all those bacteria and all the contamination.

And then once he’s crunching it up, and then the acid will start to dissolve the meat and the bone and everything. That’s why we’ve got such acidic stomachs as well. I’ve understood this now. Our stomachs have got a pH of three and it’s an algorithmic scale or whatever. So that means when you go from seven to six, it’s like 10 or a hundred times more concentrated. By the time you get to three, it’s really acidic. And that acid is in our stomach to kill all the bacteria. It’s meant to be sterile.

And I guess it’s the same with any carnivore species, including cats and dogs. But I’m really sorry. I’m going to nail you down on this. So my cats, what meat am I giving them? I’m not giving them beef or lamb. Should I? Or chicken? What should I be giving them? Fish? What should I be giving them? I mean, if you think about the sort of size of cat they are and what they might be hunting if they’re in the wild. So as you say, if you’ve got a little, you know, little, little home moggy, they aren’t going to be.

hunting bison in the wild. So, but they will be eating, you know, small rodents and they will be eating rabbits and chickens, you know, birds and things that they can catch. So that sort of gives you a rough idea. So chicken drumstick? Drumstick’s fine. Okay. Or chicken wings. I mean, some people will take the little hard little tip at the end off just because that can be a little bit hard. Yes. But no, basically.

you want to feed the meat on the bone and with the skin and everything there as much as possible as well. Okay, so, I am guilty of not, I’m being honest, not feeding my cats properly. I get them the tinned meat and blah, and it says, you know, high concentration meat. And I think I’m doing a good job. I’m clearly not. So if they’ve been fed this for the last six years, how do I transition them to, and the thing is the bowl has always got a little bit of food in there. And I don’t think that’s good either because

Ahmad (19:13.578)
I think as humans we shouldn’t be grazing all day. I mean, I fast and I eat one meal a day. And I’m quite happy with that. I think that’s what, you know, if you look at a lion, you know, it’s always pretty much lying underneath a tree surrounded by its harem, looking jacked. It’s not going to the gym and it’s certainly not grazing all day. You know, ruminant animals graze all day. It goes out and hunts maybe once or twice, once in a day or once every two days. And then it feeds, you know, and that’s it. And it sustains itself.

Is a cat, for example, the same? Should it just be having one meal a day or should I be giving it several meals in a day and gradually introducing the meat and the previous diet that it was used to? Or should I just transfer and change over? Sorry, I really want some guidance here. Yeah, cats, because they’ve had more taste enhancers used in their food are very much more difficult to swap over.

With a lot of dogs, they will swap over straight away. And they’ll think Christmas has arrived every day. Give a dog a bone. Fits as a butcher’s dog. You know? It wasn’t fit as a grocer’s dog, was it? You know, these sayings are truisms. And if you remember back, you know, when you were a kid, you walked down the street, if there was a bit of dog poo in the street, if you kicked it, it shattered and it went to dust.

Yes. And you know, one of the reasons, and this is a really important reason that isn’t really being discussed because so much of the plant material is insoluble indigestible fiber. When it goes through the, you know, the dogs and the cats, it comes out the other end and it’s still indigestible and insoluble. So it sits there. And this is why we’ve got problems with our parks and people have to go around picking up, you know, dog poo and all the rest of it because it sits there.

It can’t be broken down. The insects can’t break it down particularly well either. I see even worse now. You’ve got these people going around thinking they’re really, really good, putting their dog poop in plastic bags and then just leaving them there. I was so incensed this summer when I went down to Cornwall where my in-laws live and we’re walking along the beach. And there’s dog poop in a plastic bag on the beach. Yeah, take it home. Put it in a bin. There’s usually plenty of them around provided. How moronic.

Ahmad (21:33.002)
How lazy and moronic. You might as well just leave it outside the bag, at least it will get broken down some way, but in a plastic bag on the beach. I mean, the one advantage obviously, if it’s in a bag, then if a kid does step on it, and some of the bag doesn’t pop, you should be okay. But from that point of view, but we’ve got a problem in our environment because of how we’re feeding them.

and they have health problems as well. I mean, cats, if you go back to the cats, because you got them, they originated primarily as desert animals. So a lot of their water, their moisture, would come from eating that fresh food from their fresh meat. And so I think that’s one of the reasons why cats will often end up with kidney failure because they haven’t evolved perhaps to drink, I mean, they do drink water, obviously.

But perhaps, you know, if they tend to think that they rely more on their food as a source of water, and, you know, there’s different types of water as well, what you get in the tap and what you get in the body. There’s water is something we don’t fully understand. I don’t know if you’re aware of fourth phase water. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, buddy. Oh, good boy. And so, you know, I think how we take that food, that water, we get in our food, you know, we will get fourth phase water.

that way because of the hydrophilic membranes and the cell contents of the water and all the rest of it. So, you know, it’s so much more complicated than it’s made out to be. Once you start understanding some of the subtleties of water and actually that, you know, there’s micronutrients in those cells because of what that, you know, beast has done during their lifetime.

You know, you look at farmed fish versus raw, you know, wild caught, and they look completely different. You know, if you look at salmon, for example, the cover of the meat is completely different. So again, you know, this takes back to the whole Frankenmeat ridiculous, the idea that they can grow meat in a petri dish. You know, the micronutrients that get stimulated by the activity just aren’t there.

Ahmad (23:52.106)
You know, it is franken meat is a really good word for it. And and of course, you know, that will be true. You know, they’ll try and push our pets onto that as well because they can’t, you know, they’re not going to start farming animals just for the pet foods. You know, they obviously want to want to stop us having it. Huge investments into the whole franken food idea and demonization of farm animals over climate scam.

It’s all part of the parcel to control us and control, keep the population ill and they won’t actually be able to object and they won’t have the energy to object than if we’re all fit and healthy and thinking, actually, do you know, everything we’ve been taught about health and nutrition and everything else is wrong. And actually if we’d been left to our own devices, we’d probably be a lot better. 100%.

My friend, listen, I’m sorry, I’m going back to my cats. That’s right. So, should I be feeding them once a day?

Once or twice, yeah. I mean, I think, as you quite rightly say, if you see the David Attenborough programs again, it is very much that they’ll make their kill, they’ll eat what they can before the hyenas or whatever else push them off. And then if they’ve had enough, they’re okay. They’ll lie around all day. And if they haven’t had quite enough because somebody pushed them out before they would fill, then…

They’ve got to go and hunt again and find something else and make sure they do get their daily requirement. But primarily, you know, they, they’re basically working on a keto diet, aren’t they? And would they eat chicken livers? Yeah. I mean, certainly the smaller the birds, they’re more likely they are to eat the whole thing. Um, some of the bigger beasties, they, you know, they will, um, this is what game one of the, one of the myths that surrounding raw feeding that, um,

Ahmad (25:53.95)
you know, dog cats and wolves will eat stomach contents. They don’t. They actually pull the guts out because obviously they’re pretty toxic. And they will drag the stomach around and empty the contents and eat the stomach walls as, you know, tripe. And they will get some very small amount of plant material that’s obviously stuck to the stomach walls. But you know, it’s a minuscule amount

it to anything else and so they will eat some organ meat. They won’t eat a lot. Liver is obviously quite nutritious as well. And again, I’m looking to the carnivore diet. Some carnivore advocates will say we shouldn’t, that we don’t need to eat organ meat and there’ll be others that say we do get good nutrition and good nutrients from them.

Everybody could choose their own way and what’s right for one isn’t right for all. But on the whole, and this is one of the things I think Dr Chaffee said, you know, you don’t find members of the same animal species in the wild. You know, oh, I can’t eat that. You know, they all eat everything, you know, all their species appropriate stuff. They eat it all. There’s, you know, the idea, you know, you get pet food these days. Oh, we can we can make a pet food for your breed or even for your individual.

Well, that’s just rubbish. You know, that in itself says you’re trying to engineer something that nature never intended and we don’t need. And actually, the more I’ve sort of been involved as being a vet, the more we interfere, the more we tend to mess things up. And things get well despite of us half the time. And my first boss used to say to me, you know, the cure gets blamed on what you’re giving at the time.

And, you know, very often there’s this idea that we cure animals, we cure nothing. Animals and people only ever heal themselves. Anybody who says anything else hasn’t got a clue about medicine or the body or biology. All you can do is weigh the probability in the favour of the body being able to self heal itself, and that includes if you’re setting a bone, you can’t

Ahmad (28:17.206)
heal the bone, you put them in opposition and you fix them in place so that the bone can heal itself. If you’re trying to give a drug or a herb or whatever, whichever way you’re trying to give some sort of supplement, all you’re trying to do is create an environment in the body where the body is able to sort it out itself. The difference between the pharmaceutical route and the natural route from my experience is that if you use the

Ahmad (28:46.518)
philosophy behind it is we treat you with that disease, with that drug, and unfortunately it causes some side effects so you need another one for that and then you need another one for that and then you need another one for that. Whereas you know my philosophy with what I do in my veterinary work is I try and heal actually you know make the body, give it the tools that it needs to

Ahmad (29:18.018)
And it’s a bad business model because you keep curing things and then they don’t come back until it goes wrong again. And if you’ve done it right and you’ve got them on the right diet, a lot of the time they don’t have to come back, certainly for the more medical things. So, you know, health becomes a question of, of maintain, you know, proper maintenance. And if we, if we maintain things properly, then, you know, our natural human natural lifespan is.

probably 120, 150 years old. Now, if you look at cattle, their natural life span is 20 to 30 years old, but unfortunately, they’re being pushed so hard in the farming, and this isn’t because of the farmers exactly. They are doing what they’ve been asked to do and what’s been demanded of them in terms of food production. So the idea that farmers don’t like their animals and don’t care for their animals is complete rubbish.

I’ve seen farmers in tears over the loss of their animals. And they are forced, because of supermarket price squeezing and all the rest of it, to produce cheap food. It was demanded after the Second World War, primarily for us now. And they’ve done what they were asked to do, and then they get penalised for doing it and vilified for doing it.

Ahmad (30:46.226)
there are better ways regenerative farming thankfully is starting to increase and sort of become more popular. And I would urge people, you know, find your local farmer who sells direct and buy direct, support your farmers, they’ll get a much fairer price for their food and it will give them the freedom and the ability to be that much more extensive. You know, I found a great farmer friend, John.

If you’re watching, good to see you, mate. And he does raw dairy. So he’s got about 50 cows on his farm. The calves stay on the cows the whole time until they naturally wean. And he provides raw dairy, so I get raw milk. By the way, can I just, are you talking about my farmer? My first podcast was somewhere on Jonathan Chapman. And I get my meat. Different John.

Regenerative farmer just down the road. I get all my meat directly from him. It’s the best tasting meat. It’s really affordable. It’s better than anything in the supermarket. And to be honest, I’ve been to very fancy restaurants and better than any steak from a fancy restaurant. And it’s just incredible. And everything you say, like you’ve just spoken for so long and I’m trying to remember everything, but like about the healing, 100%. I tell my patients as an orthopedic surgeon, I don’t heal your bone.

put the bones in the right place. When it’s an unstable fracture, all I’m doing is improving the environment and the capacity for your body to heal itself. And the reason why we can take pins and plates out is because they’re not necessary. After they’ve done that initial job of providing stability, the bone has actually healed on its own, it’s healed. And my job is to help the body’s natural healing capacity. I’m not curing anything. And I also tell my patients

ethical surgeon and a really shit businessman because if I was a shit if I was a great businessman I’d be injecting and operating and everything that came through the door. I’ll be doing repeat consultations and keep coming back I want repeat customers, but actually what I want to do is treat people non-optively non-interventionally Advise them educate them how they can heal themselves So I never have to see them again. And so that kind of reinforces everything you’ve just been saying I can’t believe how

Ahmad (33:10.51)
common so much of our philosophies are. And it’s really nice to hear this coming from a vet, but are you, I feel like I’m quite unusual as a surgeon for thinking and practicing the way I do. Are you quite unusual as a vet, or are most vets thinking along the same lines as you? I’m pretty unique. I mean, I use technology that most people have never heard of.

Certainly, there’s one piece of kit I’ve been using for 25 years that, as far as I’m aware, I’m still the only vet in the country using it. And I actually started off the whole veterinary industry for that device, as far as I’m aware. I was, it was developed in Russia. It’s a microcurrent stimulation device that works on a biofeedback. So it’s got 80 to 90% success rate in treating all conditions, of which two thirds would be a cure.

It’s a bio resonance device. It’s microcurrents. I do bio-resonance as well, but that’s slightly different. I have no idea about any of this. But is it wubu stuff or is it legit? The science is phenomenal. But that’s the big myth. Everybody tries to make out that there’s no science behind it. It’s like, do you know what? Most of the science we taught in school is completely wrong. We aren’t solid. We are, when you go down to the fundamental particle level of

of what we are, we are utrinos and electrons and quarks and bundles of energy. Jack Cruz, who’s a consultant neurologist, I had him on my podcast. He basically broke it down and said, we’re beings of light, magnetism and water and fields and fields. Yeah. Magnetic fields and all that. And water. And it was just, it was just all about photons, magnetic fields and water, which is where you’re coming. Yeah, absolutely. We are, we are, we are frequency beings.

You know, it is our physical. You’ve got a nice frequency by the way. Thank you. You’re meant to say something nice about me. You were. I think, I think we’re very similar. I’ll take that one. Thanks. Um, so yeah, you know. So talk about the science behind this, cause this is totally new to me. And by the way, listen, I’m on a journey. I mean, I haven’t got it here, but you know, I had a homeopath, Alan Freestone here last week. I don’t.

Ahmad (35:38.314)
I don’t know how it works. I’m open to it. I’m open to anything nowadays. So, you know, I don’t, I don’t claim to know anything. The more I, I find things out, the more I realize I know Jack. So I’m just a dumb orthobot. So tell me about this electro frequency thing. Like what is it called and what’s the science behind it? What kind of stuff can you treat? And then the next question is, you know, could we use it on humans? Is anyone using it on humans? Yeah, I treat people as well. Um, but yes, but as, as a human practitioner, obviously not as a vet. Um,

But there are some crossovers. Yeah, it was developed, oh my gosh, in Russia probably 40, 50 years ago. It took a little while before it came out and was obviously being sort of honed in Russia first. So Alexander Karasev, who’s the guy who originally invented it, he, if we go back to the old USSR, you know,

were all equal, but some were more equal than others. So anybody showed any aptitude, whether it was athleticism or academia were taken out of the system and taken somewhere, special academies where they were trained and pushed for the good of the state. So Alexander was obviously a bright guy. He did a joint degree in medicine and electronics. And he recognized, and I think that also going slight aside again,

Russia being on its geographical situation with China and then the West on either side. So doctors in Russia used to be taught traditional Chinese medicine, including five element theory, acupuncture, all the rest of it, pulses and tongue diagnosis, everything. So they learned that in duality with Western medicine. So they had that knowledge. So he recognized

that the body is electrical, every cell has an electrical potential, nerves work on sort of electrical principles as well, and there are bioactive points around the body, which a prof teller in California discovered have got different electrical resistances to the skin around them. So the idea that acupuncture points don’t exist is completely rubbish. I’ve actually got a Russian piece of kit. You can see the acupuncture points light up in the dark. And…

Ahmad (37:59.666)
So he recognized that wherever you get pathology, you get changes in the electrical properties of the skin over it. So, but he also recognized if you’re gonna communicate with the body, you’ve got to have a signal that the body recognizes as physiological. So he built a component electronically. How you do that, I have no idea. But he built a component where it meant that the signal coming out of the device, after it had gone through the skin,

looked like a nerve impulse on an oscilloscope. So it looks physiological. So, because that’s the language the body communicates with. So, and he also discovered that wherever you get pathology, you get changes in the electrical properties that correspond to where the pathology is happening deeper in.

So once the device finds an area on the skin surface that corresponds to a pathology deeper in, and it could be an organ malfunction, or it can be a physical injury, then it will put a signal into the body to get the body to address that. So the original mode that it did actually amplified the pathological signal to the brain. So then the brain goes, oh, bloody hell, didn’t realize it was that bad. Better do something about it. So the C fibers of the nerve.

system release neuropeptides and when they’ve always studied them in Russia they’ve always had an action switching on switching off genes. So you get these neuropeptides which regulate a lot of our healing and body function. So when you get a big flood into the area of that body just basically heals itself. But in putting that signal response that initial signal in it changes the parameters that the device is measuring. So then you end up in a situation where

changes the signal coming in the next time. So you’ve got a feedback loop happening. So the body starts to be being treated in real time according to the individual. So it’s treating the individual placement on the device in that time and space. And that’s why it’s so effective because once you’re switching off genes and switching on genes and helping the body to improve its own self-regulation, then what can’t it heal?

Ahmad (40:16.214)
So what kind of stuff does it heal? Like what kind of conditions? In Russia where they’ve used it, they use it from many different strokes, to heart attacks, sports injuries, respiratory, digestive, fertility, urinary tract, you know, the whole caboodle. They’re still using it? Yeah, in some areas where it is. You know, obviously once perestroika came along, pharma went into Russia, and I think there’s big pressures to, you know, it’s probably gone more down the western route than the TCM route. I don’t know if medical schools are still…

and even teaching the traditional Chinese medicine like they used to before. And what’s this device called? It’s called Ski-Nar, self-controlling energy neuro adaptive regulation. Ski-Nar. Yeah, I’ve got one in the car. I’ll show you afterwards. Yeah, show me afterwards. And so it’s an amazing piece of kit. So for example, if someone’s had a stroke, then if they can get to that person within 12, within 24 hours, but preferably within 12 hours.

they can work as a team pretty much around the clock and get 100% recovery in seven days. Wow. Wow, that’s pretty incredible. Yeah, I mean, I’ve had a result where I was, someone that had a minor stroke some months previously, but had been left with vision deficit. So from left eye down and left by left back, there was no vision there.

continually knocking things over with her left arm. So she came for some treatment at the recommendation of a friend and I treated her for the first time and she came back for the second treatment. And I said to her, you know, how are you doing? She said, well, I haven’t really noticed anything differently much. And I said, okay, that’s fair enough. But I said, you’re obviously being monitored by the hospital situation. I don’t.

like treating people without a hope of getting a result. But on the other hand, I don’t want to stop treating if we’re going to get some response because obviously this isn’t, your stroke had been some six months previously. So I said, you know, have a chat with your neurologist and see if there’s a way that we can monitor what’s going on to see, you know, if we can, if we’re making a difference with what we’re doing. So she said, okay, we had this big long conversation, did the second treatment and…

Ahmad (42:39.754)
She went home for only half an hour later and said, Oh, my site’s just come back. Wow. So let me just put my devil’s hat on devil’s advocate. Right. Like, let me just say, what happens? Like we’ve just mentioned earlier on the body heals a lot on its own. You leave things long enough. It’ll heal on its own. How do you know a lot of this isn’t just time placebo?

and the body naturally healing and it just coincides with while you’re doing the skin or treatment. Is there any actual evidence research done showing that, you know, a hundred people treated with this or a thousand people treated with this and comparing it with another treatment and there’s an improvement? I mean, they have done some research in Russia, but you know, they are private relatively small companies doing it. So they haven’t got a lot of money to put into it, into the research. And my bottom line,

when I’m doing my work, does it make a difference? Does it make an improvement? The probability of that woman having her sight come back within half an hour of treatment when it hadn’t changed fundamentally for six months, yeah, I can’t prove it 100% that it wasn’t gonna come right at that point in time.

But the chances that the probability of improvements happening in the vicinity to the treatments, you know, you know, they wouldn’t, I would, I would get a lot more failures than I do put it that way. So can you treat Skinner for like headaches? You can use it for anything. Anything. Absolutely. And that’s the danger. You know, if, if every household had its own device, um,

If you imagine if it just knocked out the ibuprofen market, what that would do financially to the farmer. So yeah, it’s got huge potential, but it’s a huge threat. And people who use it like me are perceived as very threatening to the medical establishments. How many treatments do you need for say a condition? Like how many applications do you need? It varies, it varies because- There’s a lot of things I’m not gonna say, but I mean like I will say, like for example, people with a bad back.

Ahmad (45:00.61)
They go to see a chiropractor and they give a little squish and a little click and a little crack and they’ve reduced, you know, realign their bones and you and I know you can’t realign your bones. You know, you don’t get a dislocated spine and put it back and that’s nonsense. But they get, you know, they get a little bit of a massage and a bit of release of the fascial tissues and I’ve had it and it feels great. But it’s great repeat business because they go, oh, you have to keep coming back every two weeks and I’ll click you and I’ll do this and I’ll do that and…

but it doesn’t actually address the underlying problem. So what I’m trying to say is, is this kind of like just a come and get 20 treatments or is this kind of thing that, you know, you do two or three times and it’s fixed the problem.

I think I would dispute some of what you said there. Go ahead. Um, you can, you can dispute it, go for it. And I think probably what we think of, you know, from, from a Western medical point of view in terms of dislocation is actually different from, from a misalignment, you know, you’re talking very, very subtle, um, changes, but you know, that sort of small change as you quite

rightly say will have an effect on the myofascia around it and all the rest of it. And there’s a whole extracellular matrix that Alfred Pishinger worked out that’s all involved in communication around the body. So, and the fascia, and the fascia, we don’t have a clue about fascia. No, but what I’m saying is like, when I hear people say, you know, I’ve realigned your spine and patients come to me and say, you know, my, my hip was dislocated. It’s like,

your hip doesn’t dislocate unless it’s gone through major trauma. So, I mean, maybe we’re just splitting hairs and it’s the nomenclature, it’s the description that I’m questioning, is all I’m saying. Yeah, I think there’s an element of that for sure. But certainly I’ve treated someone who had a scoliosis and we straighten the spine with using the scana in one session. One session? Yeah.

Ahmad (47:10.358)
Wow, I’m really struggling. Not a major, it was a relatively minor scoliosis, but it did it. Okay, so I could get that if it’s muscular spasm related. So for example, when my back goes off once every two years, I’m in a scoliosis position. I’m totally twisted. I was actually at a veterinary conference in the States, and it was one of the organizers of the conference who had scoliosis, she had it for all her life. Oh, so this is congenital.

or developmental. Developmental, I suspect. I’ve got a theory about that as well. And she organized the conference, it was one of the things she did pretty much every year. And it was a three-day conference and she was on her feet a lot. And sort of day two and three, she was having to take a lot of painkillers to get through it. So I treated her on day one and she came to the end of the concert, you know, I haven’t had to take any painkillers this year.

Wow, so how much does this device cost? Now you’re gonna tell me it’s multiple thousands of pounds. Well it is, but it’s not huge. I mean, it’s a car. Roughly how much then? About seven or eight thousand, I think. What? Seven or eight thousand pounds? So not a huge amount in the grand scale of things. And if you think back to Monty, was it Monty Python and the machine goes beep, you know, 20 grand. So. That’s a lot of money. Well, if you think about what it does, where do you value your health?

Yeah, see this is a challenge I think for everybody. It’s like, you know, I try and keep an open mind. I really am trying to keep an open mind and I am. But it’s like, equally, you don’t want to fall and be gullible and be fooled into everything because we know history is littered with snake oil people and people selling things to desperate people who will do desperate things for a cure. Do you know what I mean? So it’s that balance of having that healthy skepticism.

with a bit of an open mind. Absolutely. And it’s hard walking that line. And there’s just so much information out there and so many sometimes conflicting things. So take for example, let’s just roll back to diets. There’s people out there pushing, carbohydrate’s great, this is like a Lane Norton. He quotes the literature on how carbohydrates are fantastic and it’s a beautiful fuel-saving thing and it doesn’t make you fat and it’s good for you.

Ahmad (49:37.41)
debunks the carnivores, and then you got people pushing veganism, then you got people pushing carnivore, then keto and keto-paleo, and the thing is, sometimes for your average person is like, ah, and it’s like, you know, some people say dairy’s good for you, but then other people saying dairy’s bad for you. It’s just, there’s so much conflicting news, and the problem is, all these people have got evidence to back up their claims. Everyone can quote a paper and a scientific thing and say, look, see, I’m right.

And for the average person like me, oh man, it’s hard, it’s just filtering out and just kind of making sense of things. And that’s one of the reasons why I’ve got this podcast, just bringing everybody on to talk about things. And I’m really interested in people who are typically shunned or censored by the mainstream media narrative, because I think, why are they doing that? Because if it’s, the truth,

doesn’t need to be protected. You should be able to just let the truth get out there. You shouldn’t control information. If you’re censoring people, then that means there’s a lie that needs to be protected. You need to be transparent. So that’s one of the reasons why I have people like you and all these other guests on board. But yeah, listen, I’m totally open to anything. I just, you probably don’t know this, but I got suspended from work five, six weeks ago.

And that’s where I’m not employed directly by them, but I use their facilities and we have this contract, but they suspended me on my social media activity. And that’s 80% of my income just gone at the window. Everyone listening, I’m gonna plug in. I’m opening a merch store next week. There’ll be amazing mugs and sweatshirts and baseball caps and beanies.

and t-shirts and gonna make great Christmas presents and then you can wear freedom on your head, on your sleeve and you can even drink from it. So buy it and support me. And for all those people who’ve subscribed to my paid sub stack, thank you so much. I love you so much. I’ve got 350 now. That’s amazing. So if you love my podcast and you love my guests, come on man, dig deep and support me because yeah, it’s not easy man. I’m on my own here. Anyway, moving back. So this is what happens when you speak the truth and try and get

Ahmad (51:58.306)
try and search for the truth, you get punished and censored. So, you know, I’m open to everything you’re saying, but seven, eight thousand pounds is like, whoa, it’s a lot of money. It is, I mean, obviously I use, you know, I get the top of the range practitioner version. There are some home, cheaper home unit versions, but I, to be honest, because I just use mine, I don’t know a lot about where they’re at the moment. And is this thing made in Russia or Germany? Yes. All right, Russia. I think there are some made under license.

outside. But the company that I use, they only operate in Russia. They’re the most advanced. It’s really funny that during the Soviet era and the Iron Curtain, it’s almost like they just went off and started doing their own thing. They just looked into the world of medicine and science and health with a completely different lens to what was happening in the Western hemisphere. And now the curtain fell and some of this is dribbling through and coming

across to us now. Russia is so far ahead of us in probably every field. Is it true they don’t use any kind of like chemical pesticides or whatever insecticides on their agra? I don’t know, I don’t know. I heard it was all organic. I mean certainly the scientists over there because they weren’t under the same sort of commercial pressure, they had the free, gave them the freedom to really use their imagination and experiment and…

and change things.

Ahmad (53:31.678)
So, and they did a lot of experiment, they did a lot of what they’re very much aware of frequency. So the Russia, if you look at Russian research into electromagnetic frequencies and radiation and all the stuff that we get from our mobile phones, et cetera, they’ve been aware of the danger of that for many years, for decades. And actually so have the Americans, there’s a great story that…

Russia wanted to do a treaty with the United States after the Second World War to stop frequency weapons because they knew how potentially harmful they could be and America refused. So the Russians- Of course they did. They refused everything. So the Russians set up a microwave transmitter opposite the American embassy in Moscow and basically bombarded the American embassy with microwaves.

And part of that was they were actually using the technique to listen in because they could pick up the rattle of the window and they could hear in by using, using the frequency that, of that subtlety to, to listen into conversations. But the, um, yeah, the, the CIA, or yeah, CIA found out about it and rather than close it down and make an objection, they actually went to, uh, to the embassy and said, Oh, we, we think there’s a, we think there’s a strange virus. So we, we need to, um,

we need to keep taking blood samples off you. So they basically decided to piggyback in on the situation. And I think it ran from like 1956 to 1973 or something. So it wasn’t a short period. And so they looked at all the blood samples and all the illnesses that were coming out of there. So all the dangers from 5G and the EMFs and stuff, they’re absolutely real. And the microwaves…

that we keep being told they don’t penetrate deeply into the body. So they’re not dangerous. So actually the Russians did some work to say, well, actually, if your food and your water is exposed to the microwaves, then that takes the, it takes the harm in through food and water. So I’m totally on board with this because the thing is, like you said, we are in frequency beings and you know, that’s why we can sometimes even sense and feel the energy of people we can feel, you know, prickly sensations when some people come in. Yeah. And, um,

Ahmad (55:49.834)
You know, I think there’s measurements that show our electric field goes out several feet, if not meters, which is incredible. So that’s all realistic. And there’s a book called Invisible Rainbow, which I think a lot of people should really read. Yeah, Gotham-Furstenberg. Yes, absolutely mind blowing. And this idea that, you know, microwaves and mobile phones and everything, electrical appliances don’t create a field and doesn’t affect us is absolutely ridiculous. It’s just because we can’t see it.

If we could see it, we’d be horrified. And 5G is very different from 4G. The energy levels are multiply high and not physiological in any sense. And it’s kind of dangerous and that we don’t even think about it or there’s no discussion. And the moment you just start talking about it, guess what, you get labeled a quack or conspiracy theorist. And there’s a classic way of debunking you and making you look like an idiot. Oh, 5G, you’re questioning 5G, you’re a conspiracy theorist. You crazy person. And this is the problem that we’re in today that

Any kind of debate is just immediately neutered and decapitated because you use these tools, the words like, oh, you’re conspiracy theorists, to just shut down any kind of conversation. I find that quite scary. I definitely believe that EMFs are a problem. Absolutely. And even electric cars. I’m guilty of getting an electric car two years ago because it was tax efficient for me.

I was told by my accountant, oh, guess what? Get a car and you’re gonna put it in the company. But it’s an electromagnetic box that I’m in and what harm is it causing me? What dangers are there? Have I got risk of cancer now or headaches or illness days? All these things. All of that. I mean, EMFs are one of my little sort of, because of frequency, it’s one of my interests. I’ve actually written an ebook about EMFs.

you know, electro hypersensitivity, it was always, you know, until relatively recently, people who claimed that they were electro hypersensitive were always, you know, oh, you got psychosomatic or, you know, they’ll send you along for counselling or something, but those that you can actually now get a brain scan and it will show differences in the brain from electro hypersensitivity. So actually has been confirmed as a genuine condition. So those are the people who are very sensitive, but we’re all affected.

Ahmad (58:15.826)
And it’s actually not the power level that is important, it’s the amount of exposure. And the fact that we’re all continually exposed 24 seven to multiple frequencies, you know, ICNIRP who are the organization who, they do this, their recommendations that the governments follow. They’re all industry telecoms industry funded. And they say only harm can only be caused by thermal changes, which is absolutely ridiculous.

and completely untrue, been proven in thousands, literally thousands of research to show that, you know, electromagnetic frequencies can disrupt our ion channels, especially calcium. And if calcium floods into the cells, it sets up an inflammatory cascade. But because that’s called a non-specific body reaction, it can happen to other things, too. So they sort of hide behind the fact that a lot of the changes are non-specific. So you can’t necessarily fully

um, tie it down to, to the EMFs, but they absolutely do cause it and there’s been a certain lot of proof to it. And there’s now been research to show that even if you’ve been exposed for EMFs, the effects in the body will last months after you’ve had it. So it’s actually almost impossible now to do properly controlled experiments with people who’ve never been exposed to EMFs because you aren’t actually reach of biological physical, physiological state where

where you were sort of pre-EMF exposure because the effects last so long in the body. So we are storing up absolutely, you know, so kids are getting mobile phones at ever earlier ages and being allowed to stay on them forever longer. And, you know, they’re looking at a significant risk of cancers later on in life, perhaps 20 years further on down the line. And it’s that, again, it’s that time.

lag before it manifests, given the deniability. 100%. And the problem is it’s all done slowly, creep, and it’s plausible deniability and it’s too late. I mean, like I’ve got a landline ethernet here. I’m guilty of not sorting it out in my house. I can sort that for you. Oh, that’s great. I need to get, I do things like turn off the wifi overnight. That’s good. You know, but I don’t know what other measures I can take. I don’t know if I should start keeping my phone, for example, in a sp-

Ahmad (01:00:36.77)
kind of insulated wallet or something. The smart meter, which was fitted a few years ago and totally regret and I can’t now get rid of it because they won’t let me. You know, they talk about getting like bits of material to block the EMF. I don’t know if that is actually true or not. Does it actually work? I mean, there’s so many things out there about EMF. I just don’t know what’s true and what’s not. Can you shed any light on that? Absolutely. Okay. You gotta be careful with shielding.

because actually there are certain natural frequencies. Spongy, what’s it called? There’s a material. Well, you get sort of Faraday cage sort of material. There’s like stone or something. I don’t know what it was called. Yeah, shungite. That’s it, shungite. No research behind it whatsoever. That’s what I thought. Complete load of rubbish. I thought a complete, great, so glad you said that. So shungite, don’t buy shungite. And it’s very expensive and they’re selling it and you’re like, what the heck?

there has been one or two research papers done on shungite. And what they did was they put, they ground it up, put it in a cream, put it on the backs of mice, and then put a light over the top of them and said, oh, look, it stops, it acts as a shield. And it’s like, okay, yeah, well. So the first time I heard it, I heard shite, and I think that’s what it is. Okay, fine, let’s move on. So yeah, but a lot of people are selling it, and it’s not a magic black hole, it just sucks.

sucks all the EMS in the environment around it. No, I kid you not, I’ve had people come up to me and say, oh, put this in your water jug and this and I, and honestly, my first thought has been shite. I mean, it can be used as a water filter. It’s quite good as that because of the fullerene, but again, it’s the amount of fullerene in Shungite determines whether it’s high or low grade and the high grade stuff is very, very expensive. So, but again, you know, it’s. Okay, let’s move on. So what can we do about the EMF business?

There is a company called Como Systems and… So how do you spell it? C-O-M-O, systems. Como Systems. Yeah. Okay, carry on. And I will hold my head up and say, I spoke to the company a few years ago, I was introduced to them by their distributor in Romania. And we had a big chat and they said, you know a lot about EMFs, why don’t you become our representative for the UK and Ireland? So I did. So I will say here and now I have an interest…

Ahmad (01:03:01.93)
in the company. Okay, but the reason I agreed to do it was because they’ve got a lot of research behind them. And they the guys who developed their technology called compensating magnetic oscillators, they came from the pharmaceutical industry, and they recognized that if they were going to do solution to the problem, then they had to approach it in that scientific manner. So they researched

they produced their devices and then they got them independently tested and checked. But they also made sure that if they’re going to do it, then they’ve got to make a significant difference. So they looked at the biological markers to see how they’re affected by electromagnetic radiation and how the device has actually helped the body normalise that. So the way that the CMOs work is they effectively,

They’re not powered, but they are activated by the electromagnetic pollution. And so what happens is when they’re agitated, they effectively then emit a signal themselves that’s very low. It’s 12 Hertz, 150 femto Tesla, which is a very, very low magnetic field, but it puts that signal on top of the EMFs. And what they do is they have the same resonant frequency as the calcium and the ion channels, so they stabilize them in the body.

So it mitigates for the field. So it doesn’t interfere with the functionality of your tech, but what it does is it stabilizes the ion channels in the body so that they don’t really upset the ion balance and so you don’t get the inflammation. And so they mitigate for the EMFs. And they will mitigate a very high percentage of all the things that go wrong.

Some of them, they absolutely counter totally, like the calcium, but there are others which they, they mitigate maybe 80, 90% of some of them, but they are proven and they’re actually mentioned, the guy developed it is actually mentioned in the book of Magnetobiology, which is the only textbook of magnetobiology that I’m aware of that was written by a Russian. Vladimir Bini. And…

Ahmad (01:05:28.99)
and they did some work on the CMAs and found that they worked. Cool, I will look into that. I would definitely look into that. Let’s go back to water. You talked about four phase of water. I know all about that easy water, four phase of water. So we’ve got water in the form of ice solid, we’ve got it in the form of vaporized steam gas, and then we’ve got the liquid form. And then you’ve got this weird gel-like thing that forms a barrier everywhere. You’ve got a cell.

and structure and even elsewhere. But basically it helps create this frictionless system within our human body, which is absolutely freaking incredible. It’s about how the molecules of water just line up in these hexagonal sheets and they’re like slightly different layers and patterns and they allow for transfer of the electrons and everything. It’s just mental and they also form a barrier. Now,

Water, let’s talk about water. So I don’t drink tap water. We don’t drink tap water. It’s full of heavy metals, pesticides, insecticides, hormones, antibiotics, heavy metals, like garbage. You don’t want to be drinking it. Now there’s different ways you can do it. You can get filters and reverse osmosis. You can distill it. I’ll be honest with you, we don’t do this for our cats though. We should, shouldn’t we? Yeah, you know, water.

We are 99% water by molecule number, we’re two thirds by water volume. So the health of the water in us, all reactions, everything that takes place happens in our aqueous environment. So the quality of that water is hugely important. We are biophysical. And I think for me, you’ve got that H2O, so you’ve got that sort of

the O in the middle and then you’ve got an H off each side. I think that bond angle is actually what determines our strength, you know, our health. And it gets altered by the local electromagnetic fields that are surrounding all the ions, all the proteins, all the protein folding happens as a result of all of this. You know, biophysics just isn’t recognized. It is fundamental.

Ahmad (01:07:48.034)
We shouldn’t be taught biochemistry is secondary to biophysics and yet we’re not taught biophysics in medical schools No, and I’m not even sure how many universities even would have there’s lots of universities would have a bio chemistry Degree course, but I wonder how many of them actually have a biophysical degree course And yet it is far more fundamental to how we function and then you’ve got all the whole quantum aspect of it as well Yeah, I know. That’s a different. Yeah, that’s deep. I went to a

I’m not there yet. I went to a quantum physics day lecture in London this last weekend, which was fascinating. But even then they didn’t mention some stuff that I’m aware of. Like what? Go for it. Okay, so you know DNA? Yes. I’ve never met him personally, but yeah. Nice chap. But you know, you’ve got all these nucleotides and bases and everything, and what do they code for? Proteins.

Are you just protein? Nope. So what do you think? So if DNA is just coding for proteins, how do you think your body knows how to make you? Do you know what? I have absolutely no fricking idea. This genetic code business is just fricking unbelievable. So we’re made of fats, lipids, water, protein, and there’s sugars there. The DNA is actually made of sugar. You need sugar to make DNA.

The DNA is written into RNA. The RNA goes to ribosomes and then this prints off this protein. The protein isn’t even just printed off. It’s convoluted and makes shapes. The shapes of the protein are specific. Yeah. And that’s why if you get the wrong isomers, you can actually kill or thrive. Yeah. But we’re not just proteins. We’ve got all these lipids and complex things. And yeah. So how does your body know what part of the DNA to read and what not to read? And

I don’t know. Life is incredible. It is. So mental. So we are not just energy beings, but we are informational beings. There has to be an informational input to how we are. Otherwise we would just be a blob. Yeah. A blob of protein. So there is a whole- Some people are blobs. That’s cause they’ve eaten too much. Carbohydrate. Carbohydrates. You took the words right out of my mouth. So, um, so yeah, so.

Ahmad (01:10:10.062)
there is an informational level behind DNA. So DNA does code for proteins, absolutely. But there is, if you also think about it, a bit like a barcode. So if you take your barcode reader into the supermarket and you shine it on a barcode on the shelf, it will tell you obviously what that product is, but it will also probably tell you how much stocker there is and you know.

how much, maybe how much it, the cost of it is and what the buying price is and all the rest of it. You have all these different levels of information behind what goes on the shelves. So our DNA is actually very similar to that. So there is an informational level and according to Peter Goryev, who left, led the Russian genome team, he used linguistics experts in his team. And when the West was saying there’s 95% junk DNA, he was saying, no.

That’s the instructions. That’s the linguistic element that tells the body how to actually, what to do with it with the bit of the DNA that’s actually used for coding. That makes, that makes complete sense. Can I be honest? I never bought the whole junk DNA. What, what, what hubris though, what hubris to label something you don’t understand as, oh, it’s junk. What arrogance. I think they have, they have sort of.

back down a little bit from that original position. Right, okay. But they haven’t fully appreciated what Peter did. I think the thing is, just because you don’t understand something, so going back to like when I see a patient, I tell them like, I don’t understand your symptoms. I’ve done all the tests and investigations. It’s not the fact that you’re crazy and you’re just a crazy person making up these symptoms. It’s the fact that my knowledge is lacking. Absolutely. It’s because I don’t understand

the complexity of your issue. And I used to teach this to the junior doctors. I used to say, do not fall into the trap that you look at this patient who’s desperate, who’s anxious, who’s, to all intents and purposes, crazy, and write them off as crazy, because they’ve probably been to five people who don’t understand their symptoms, who are suffering or in pain, and keep getting told there’s nothing wrong with them. If that doesn’t drive you mad, what would? Be sympathetic to them and appreciate this.

Ahmad (01:12:30.454)
and have the humility to accept that you don’t understand what it is. And as doctors, we quite often think we know everything. And if it doesn’t make sense, it’s not our fault, it’s the patient’s fault. And I think it comes back to the same principles with science and the body and the world around us. We need to accept that there is so much we don’t know and to just look at it all with wonder and awe and have an open mind. Yeah, absolutely. I think…

I saw a statistic somewhere that said two thirds or 60% of something, things that are published in science journals as being absolutely correct and later proven to be wrong. Yes. But the fact that what I do, a lot of it isn’t published, I think I’m probably more likely to be right. Just on percentage terms. Quick digress. This whole thing of evidence-based medicine has been totally corrupted. So Professor Sackett in Canada, who coined the term

evidence-based medicine actually made a little diagram thing and for each point of the triangle, for each point of this triangle diagram they did, one was clinical experience. So you as a clinician, you know, treating animals or patients, people, you know, that’s your experience over 10, 15, 20 years, you know, that’s a lot of knowledge you’ve amassed. Then there’s the patient expectations and values and thoughts about what’s going on with their body, which you cannot ignore. I mean, 80, 95% of a diagnosis is what the patient tells you.

And then the last one is where you look at peer-reviewed literature and research. And real evidence-based medicine was all three of these combined. But then what happened is it’s kind of been corrupted to the point where people were sidelined. The clinicians’ experience, the patients’ experience, and it’s now all about the literature. What is the literature? This paper that’s been funded by Pfizer and there’s been conflicts of interest, scientists who are waiting for their research grant.

you know, depending on the result of this paper, you know, that’s science now, that’s evidence-based medicine. And it’s, yeah, it could be further from the truth. Absolutely. I mean, he’s, I mean, sorry, go back to what you’re saying. So, so yeah, about the DNA. Yes. So you’ve got this whole informational level. So Peter, he, he has this, uh, had this idea that, um, and the, and the NEDs help as a, as a physics, a quantum physics, uh, idea that the world is a hologram.

Ahmad (01:14:52.374)
And everything that happens in the world is a node on this hologram, and it never gets destroyed. So it’s getting bigger and bigger if you like. So there is information that instructs our DNA, instructs the body how to function held on this universal hologram. And what Peter worked out,

is that when a photograph is taken, it doesn’t take your physical appearance because, and ultimately that, but we know that’s energy as well. But within that, that information within that photograph is the link to the DNA at the time the photograph was taken. And obviously as we get older, that DNA tends to get damaged, deteriorates, it’s part of what happens with aging. We’re not 100% efficient in terms of cell replication and all the rest of it.

So if you can capture that link to the DNA at the time the photograph was taken, turn it into a sound file and listen to it. Your body starts responding to that earlier DNA information. So, um, then the diseases and the changes that have happened to the body post that time start to unwind and the body is, you know, cause our bodies are, you know, but again, people, people perhaps don’t realize that your cells are turning over. Your whole body is turning over the whole time, different

long bones at different speeds to eyes, to gut, to mucous membranes and skin and all the rest of it. So, you know, the scar that I got when I had my appendix out when I was two, that isn’t the same scar that I had when I was two, you know, it’s been replaced how many times in that time. So if the, if you could go back to

DNA information before the time of that scar, and the body starts responding to it, then the scar will disappear, and the body will heal. And in Russia, they’re actually using this similar sort of sideline parallel process, where if you’ve got a child born with a congenital disorder, you can use a sibling’s photograph and use their sound file, and then the child who’s got the congenital disorder will tend to develop without the congenital disorder, because they’re working on another…

Ahmad (01:17:14.446)
DNA information, but it’s very close. So it’s resonant enough that the body will respond to it. That sounds insane. It’s being done. I’m not going to, I’m just saying it, but it sounds insane. It does, you know, but again, it’s part of- Do you know what, I really want to go to Russia now. It’s part of how we’ve been programmed that these things aren’t possible. But once you accept that the body is frequency, then-

Yeah, we can interfere with frequency. We did it at school in physics experiments. You know, you drop a pebble into the water and then you drop two and you see the interference patterns. Well, we know frequency interferes with frequency. So to treat a frequency being with anything other than frequency is highly illogical. But it also, yeah. No, listen, I’m totally open to all of this. So I mean, the thing is like, a lot of people don’t appreciate that pharmaceutical drugs act on the whole as blockers. They block.

normal or metabolic pathways, physiological processes. So they’re blocking something. And that blocking, that blockage, results in side effects. And that’s the problem. So what you wanna do is things where you either detoxify or enhance metabolic function. You wanna improve the metabolic function of cells, improve the mitochondrial function, detox things that are blocking the natural pathways, the heavy metals and the organob…

phosphates or whatever else it is, and where there’s nutritional deficiency, optimize that, and you want to fuel the body properly, with ketones, for example, not carbohydrates. And so, if we are energy beings, and we’re light beings, and we’re water beings, surely part of that medicinal treatment will be to optimize the frequency of us, that optimize the light within us, and optimize the water within us. And mainstream medicine, allopathic,

Focus on any of that. It’s got no concept of any of it because it doesn’t fit into what it can do. Some people might be thinking we’re totally woo-woo now. They might too, but then we’re talking science because this is actually, you know. Our mad has gone mad. This is actually what science is really about. It’s like having people having a proper discussion and there are good research projects that have been done that prove all these things. You know.

Ahmad (01:19:34.742)
The idea that quantum physics or physics actually isn’t in the real world, it’s just something they do in universities and talk about physics. And we did it at school and that’s it. It’s actually, no, this is actually how the world functions. We are, once you recognise we are, we are frequency beings. Everything has to, you know, everything has got to come from that. And as I said early, right, the beginning, you know, this is an illness industry, not a health industry.

So Pharma hasn’t got any interest in actually recognising who we are fundamentally, because that would actually have an implication on how they want, you know, how they should be acting and they don’t want to go there. So listen, we haven’t touched upon something. I 100% agree with you. 100% everything. I mean, I always say like the NHS is not the national health service. It’s the national harm service. It benefits Pharma. Yeah. It’s there now. It’s designed, the centralised structure is there.

to feed into pharma, to make patients lifelong drug users and it’s not good. No, absolutely, but you know, to put the other side of it, doctors in yourself, surgeons are doing the best that they can with their absolute 100% best intention because that’s how they’ve been taught. And there’s a difference between trauma, right? Listen, if you’re in a car accident and you know.

we’ve got some pretty amazing surgery and treatment, trauma and life-saving surgery. Okay, so let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater, but what I’m trying to say is chronic health, chronic illness. I think, you know, 95% of what we’re saying is, you know, basically lifestyle and food. And equally, you know, we get told that, you know, you’ve got genetic problems, it’s all genetic, and we need the answer and solution is gene therapy and genetic therapy. Actually, again, 95% of disease is disease and it’s…

lifestyle, environmental, food, and it’s not genetic. And the thing is you need to get rid of this idea that we need gene therapy to treat all these problems. Actually, no. The answers are really simple. It’s lifestyle measures. Folks, stop grazing all day. Have one or two meals a day within a short eating window. Go heavy on the carnivore. If not, fill your carnivore. Source your water properly. Make sure it’s pure and clean. Reduce the EMFs.

Ahmad (01:21:46.07)
get some decent exercise, go to sleep on time, be in tune with your circadian rhythm, get light, have love and companionship and connection. Do not be lonely, do not be unloved, do not have hatred and anger and have a horrible frequency. These are the simple measures that don’t cost a lot of money and don’t profit anyone. Listen, I think I kind of know the answer, but I went on a journey where I…

you know, I’ve now gone to the point where I wouldn’t want any more vaccinations ever for anyone I love or myself. I’ve stopped my cats from being vaccinated. You know, my wife used to take them for a yearly checkup and they would just jab them. Oh, and then my wife has, you know, gone away from the idea of jabbing. Yep. You know, she was like, oh yeah, jabs are the best thing since sliced bread like everyone else around us. But now she’s like, no, we don’t want these jabs. But she still was like.

going to take them to the vet and have the cats jabbed. And I was like, whoa, whoa. Why? And she said, I’m like, oh yeah, I didn’t even think about that. Yeah, you’re right. Why? So what’s your stance on jabbing cats because our dogs or any other animals, because I’m of the view now, the vaccines, rather than improving your immune system and enhancing it, impair the immune system. What’s your take on this? Well, no surprise, I’m not hugely a million miles away from you.

But, you know, there’s a risk at the end of the day, there is a risk both ways. You know, there is no such thing as no risk. So it’s pressure where you draw your line in the sand. So my advice for young animals is, and again, there’s again no one rule fits all. And this is you not giving advice to people. This is you just giving your opinion. Absolutely, absolutely. So, you know,

There’s a lot of scientific research evidence to prove that vaccination gives immunity for life. So if people decide that they want their dogs or their cats to have their initial vaccinations, then there is good evidence to suggest they don’t need any further ones beyond that. Because as you all well aware, I’m sure a TITA test is…

Ahmad (01:24:06.87)
not a measure of your immune status, it’s a measure of your current challenge. Yes. So, you know, just, and Tita tests can’t measure memory cells. So if your dog has a Tita test, and if it’s got any positive response to the Tita test, then your dog has got immunity, or your cat has got immunity, because the memory cells are there in the background, and maybe the antibody levels aren’t high, because your animal isn’t being challenged in its environment at this point in time.

So we don’t need to artificially boost immunity levels if they’re not being challenged. If the Tita test is high, then it’s naturally being boosted by meeting the challenge on a regular basis and the body’s naturally keeping the antibody levels high. So we don’t need to do all this vaccination and certainly in the animal vaccinations, I think they’re still using the thiamers or very much more than I think they’ve used. That’s a mercury-based thing, yeah. Yeah.

So I think they’ve moved away from it in a little bit in the human side, but they’ve gone to squalene, which actually is very similar to shark. Yeah. But it’s very similar to other and other products in the body. So actually, all you’re going to end up doing is inducing an autoimmune disease because the antibodies are going to happen to the squalene. And then they’re going to attack the body’s tissues that are very similar. Even with this gene therapy, I had JJ Cooey on. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of him. He’s a fantastic scientist. And basically he was saying the problem is.

your body’s now facing this position where it’s never really faced before, where it’s immune system, it’s police, it’s security forces aren’t able to identify self from non-self. That’s the whole point of the immune system where it goes, hey, you’re not meant to be here or you’re in the wrong neck of the woods, buddy. Because the reality is we have got this viral fungal yeast back to your biome and it varies, whether it’s in our skin, eyes, gut, there is no part of our body that’s there out.

there are bacteria and these things everywhere. And some of them are specific to a certain part of the body and actually function in a kind of like almost symbiotic relationship. They’re making hormones, they’re digesting things, or they’re keeping the nasty ones away. So we are in this constant kind of balance. And when you have this immune system that’s now struggling to identify what cell is self or not self,

Ahmad (01:26:29.378)
That’s when you start getting autoimmune problems and allergy problems. Allergy being where it’s overreacting to, for example, if say tourists have arrived somewhere in your country, they’re just tourists, right? But now your national defense force, your army is attacking the tourists. They shouldn’t be doing that. So that’s not like an allergy, or if it’s an autoimmune condition where the army is shooting its own citizens, they should be doing that either. Yeah, and that’s a fundamental problem with the, you know, the gene.

transfection that’s given their proper term products. And that’s one of the reasons why I wrote a letter of concern to the Veterinary Medicines Directive because there’s potential use of the mRNA technology in animals. My concern is that they will produce prion diseases, bit like BSE, and obviously that goes into the food chain. But this whole platform of

vaccines inverted commas. You know, they are fundamental, the whole platform is fundamentally dangerous because as you quite rightly say, once you start getting a cell to manufacture any sort of protein, whether it’s spike protein or any other protein that they choose for any other sort of equivalent jab, then, you know, they get expressed on our own cell membranes. And so you are training the body to attack those cells. And yes,

some of those antibodies will attack some of the proteins that have been induced on the surface. But if, you know, what just naturally happens is some of the other proteins that are nearby in those cell membranes will automatically be attacked as well. So you’re, and the antibodies are being taught to attack those proteins too. So, you know, I think autoimmune disease, unfortunately, is one of the…

sequelae we haven’t actually fully encountered yet. Do you see much of this in animals? Autoimmune disease isn’t uncommon yet. And again, but a lot of it happens again because of the bad diet, because you get a leaky gut syndrome, you then get particles crossing into the blood that shouldn’t be there. The body attacks them. And some of those.

Ahmad (01:28:46.818)
it happens with some of the vaccines that have been raised in animal samples or collagen samples or eggs or whatever else, different cell lines. So the vaccines, obviously they’re aimed to do a certain immunological role to get an antibody against the disease that you’re vaccinating against, but just the way that they’re manufactured means that there’s a likelihood that there’s going to be

that the immune system is also going to respond to, which creates problems in us in other ways, and a lot of that could be autoimmune. So again, you know, diet, vaccines, all these things that we are done with the best intention to help people actually, you know, don’t.

At the end of the day, as you say, we are an ecosystem in our cells. Yeah. We know we’re 10% human cells, 90% biome cells. It’s mental. And it is, isn’t it? And, and yet, you know, if we think of all, all the scientific things that we’ve tried to do, introduce measures, biological measures we’ve tried to do into the environment to control, I don’t know, pests or things, they’ve always gone wrong. There’s always been some, something parallel that’s gone wrong. And it’s the same in our body because it’s just a…

micro of the macro. But it’s, it’s the same. Absolutely. It’s the same thing though, that we’re seeing this war on germs war, you know, on, um, terror war on drugs, all these wars, just profit. Well, exactly. You know, the whole, the whole economy is a war based economy and it’s, it’s user, but it’s using those terms then. Normalize war as a concept in our psyche as well. So.

then when they say, oh, we’re going to war with this other nation, you know, or it’s like going for war against, against bacteria or war against cancer. And you go, it’s not exactly the same at all, but you know, that whole language has been normalized and, you know, we’ve been desensitized to actually what the implications of, of these things are. And, you know, this is where everything’s gone, gone so wrong. So wrong and everything’s linked. And, and

Ahmad (01:31:01.422)
Graham Hancock did this amazing documentary on ancient apocalypse, I love it. One of his quotes is, the humans are suffering from amnesia. I think we’ve forgotten who we are, like where we come from. We’ve been on this planet a long time, like two million years, a million years. I don’t think we came out of a cave 10,000 years ago. Our history has been lost in time now.

And we’ve forgotten that we are these energy-like magnetic beings. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to eat properly and be healthy. Yeah. And we’ve forgotten our history and we are doomed to making these same mistakes again and again, because ultimately there’s a predator class. And I saw this on X. I have to just say it was just brilliant. The predators use the psychopaths to enable the parasites.

to live off the muggles and crush the mavericks. Yeah. I think we fall into the maverick category. Yeah, I certainly haven’t been accused of that in the past. But you see, that’s a layer. Absolutely. And then what we need is we need a predator and psychopath mitigation strategy. How do we stop those people from abusing us and our pets? Because it’s done to our pets as well. We love our pets, you know, because they’re abusing us. They’re abusing us left, right and center. Yeah.

I mean, it is, it’s money driven, isn’t it? One of the things that I’ve sort of done over the last two or three years, which I’d never really done before and I had time on my hands was to, to look at some of the music videos on YouTube and some of the video reactions. In the last few months, I came across an amazing artist who’s just starting to get into people’s psyche called Ren. Oh, I love Ren.

So if you’ve seen, if you’ve seen the money game one, two and three, you’ll, you’ll understand why you need to see money game parts one, two and three. Um, three is amazing. And, uh, anybody who watches that will understand everything that is wrong with society. Have you ever heard of Ed Griffin? No creature from Jekko Island. He writes about the federal reserve and the central banking cabal.

Ahmad (01:33:25.846)
aware of all that as well. It’s 92. I had the honor and privilege of speaking to him. I urge everyone to listen to that podcast. Absolute blows your mind. You know, money, money is an invention. It is. And we’re chasing it. We’re chasing it. And the whole system is already collapsed. Really? They’re just trying to prop it up. I understand crisis after crisis to the Ponzi scheme. It is. And they’re just justifying, you know, counterfeiting more money. They call it quantifying.

quantitative easing, but if you and I did it, we’d be in jail for counterfeiting. But that’s exactly what it is. And it’s all coming down to control, isn’t it? Ultimately, we’ve just got to keep our eyes and ears awake and use cash. And yeah, it’s all chasing status and power and money and it’s all intertwined. And you know,

I say to people, you know, when I first qualified, you know, you come out of uni and you think you know quite a lot because you’ve studied for your finals. Same with the doctors. Yeah, I’m sure. You know, and having been in practice for, you know, 30 years, you go and realise, do you know what? I probably know 10,000 times more than I knew when I first qualified. And you use probably less than 1% of what you were taught. And I recognise that I know.

less than 0.1% of what there is to learn. And that’s being very, very optimistic. You know, there is, you know, the idea that we can, that we really know so much, you know, we don’t understand water fully, the whole DNA, you know, all these gene therapies, and they haven’t got no understanding of that.

quantum level of information behind the DNA and what they’re messing with and all the rest of it. Did you ever watch these sci-fi movies? I remember watching sci-fi programs and movies where people would land on this planet and there’s all this infrastructure and buildings and all the people were dead and they were like, oh yeah, there was some experiment that went wrong. Yeah, we’re heading there. And it’s like, yeah, I can see us heading that way. It’s like all of us dead because

Ahmad (01:35:37.894)
some idiot decided to play around with the gene therapies. I’m not talking about a leaked virus. I’m not talking about virus. I’m just talking about just major fuckery. It’s just like. Absolutely. You know, people, you know, one of the points I made in my letter to the Veterinary Medicines Directive was the whole thing of micro RNA, which a lot of people have never heard of. No, I never heard of it. So micro RNA, they’re little strands of DNA, sort of 20, 30 nucleotides long. And…

So they are heavily involved in cell regulation. So we, I think there’s about 5,000 of them recognized in the human body, which we perhaps know a handful of them work. Oh wow, I need to make a note of this. I need to look into this. So if my, so once you’re starting to mess around with modified RNA introduction. Yeah, not messenger, modified. Modified, yeah, as it gets broken down, there’s bound to be within that certain strands which are gonna be.

screwing up the whole micro RNA regulation. So there’s a whole level of cell regulation that isn’t fully understood. Wow, we’re going to be interfering with and messing with. And, and, you know, this whole reduction, I’m only trying to do that. I’ll give you a great example, good friend of mine. Her mother was prescribed two different medications. And my friend was actually a chiropractor. And she knew

She has a fairly good, after many years in practice, she had a fairly good understanding of some of the medications that she frequently saw in some of her patients. And she said to her mom, look, those two shouldn’t be prescribed together because they’re contraindicated because they have an effect on our heart. So go back to your doctor and say, look, I don’t think I should be on this anymore. Yeah. And so she went back and spoke to him. The doctor said, oh no, it’s all right because that one’s for your heart and that one’s for your kidneys. So there’s nothing circulating between them then.

No, blood doesn’t go around all the body. You know, and it’s this focus of, well, that does that over there. And the fact that we, you know, we sort of ignore or don’t even think about what it might be doing elsewhere in the body. And it’s just so narrow-minded. And I think a lot of, this is where a lot of, I think, what’s going wrong with a lot of the scientists. Again, they’re trying to do really good research with really good intention, but they’re so focused

Ahmad (01:38:04.074)
on their reductionist paradigm with what they’re trying to achieve in their research that they forget that actually there’s a whole body all around it and as you say everything’s linked and money becomes the drive to you know for it all as well. And then the psychopaths and predators exploit all this. I mean like I had Dr Rachel Brown this carnivore shrink. Yep. Good boy. She. Rachel.

And she was saying how like it’s insane because you’ve got a neurologist who’s looking into migraines, you’ve got psychiatrists looking into depression, but it’s all brain, it’s all brain function and dysregulation, but there’s two separate people and they’re not looking at it as a whole, you know? And a lot of medicine is like that, you know? You’re in your little compartment. You know, I was slapped on the wrist several times by my medical director and the private hospital saying, stick to your scope of practice.

don’t talk about vaccines and all that kind of stuff. And then it was like, you’re a foot and ankle surgeon, stick to feet, that’s your scope of practice. And that’s a mentality. And I wrote back and said, my scope of practice is treating the whole patient. My scope of practice is patient safety. My scope of practice isn’t just treating feet, I’m a holistic surgeon, I treat people’s depression, sleep problems, their mental health, their physical health, their obesity, their…

a fermenting gut. This is how I’ve been practicing for the last five years. And don’t tell me that my scope of practice is fixing a bunion or an ankle fracture. It’s so insulting. It’s ridiculous, isn’t it? I mean, you even get it within the same body system. So you’ll have somebody who’s a specialist in bladders who won’t understand, Oh, that’s kidney. Don’t talk about bladders. I really, I need to really wee right now. So lower bowel and stomach.

But they know that they don’t know enough about it. It’s like, well, isn’t that stomach part of that whole digestive system? How can you how can you how can you? Yes, you have yours. Have yours. It’s compartmentalized. How can you compact compartmentalize it to the point where you actually don’t know about what’s going on in an earlier or later part of the system? Because, of course, absolutely, they impact. And, you know, once you understand sort of the whole sort of

Ahmad (01:40:25.97)
energy side of things and the meridians and acupuncture points and Absolutely, they are totally linked. So tell me something how far how long did it take you to drive here? About an hour and a half. That’s quite good. All right. I mean, that’s a decent journey. Thank you for making that journey The reason why I’m asking is I definitely want you back next year at some point I because I’ve got so many other things to talk about, you know, we’re in contact not just on podcast I think we’ll be good mates

outside of that, I’m sure. Do you know what? That’s so funny. You just said that. Do you know, I was just saying this to a few people the other day that of the 19 people that I’ve interviewed, I would say about at least a half of them are my friends. Yeah. You know, I, you know, half my guests regularly message me, go, all right, what’s up? How’s it going, mate? Like, you know, from the US or wherever. And, and I keep in touch with them. And I, and it’s funny from someone who didn’t have very many friends, I’ll be honest with you, I was quite picky, very selective.

I never really fit in with the crowd. I was never a jock or nerd or a geek. I was just someone who just didn’t fit. Now in the last two years, and especially since the podcast, I’ve got so many new friends and I’d love to be friends with you too. Yeah, absolutely. I look forward to it. It’s like I found my tribe, you know? Well, absolutely. And it is like that.

Yeah, there is, you know, once your mind has been expanded, then you know, you see it so clearly and not just in your own realm, but you see it in the financial system, you see it in medicine, you see it in, you know, everything that’s going on, how it’s, how everything needs to change. Yeah, I thought that once you see one scam, you see them all, but it’s not always like that. I had a lot of people who knew the lockdowns.

The jabs were bad, but when Ukraine came along, a big chunk of them were like, oh, I stand by Ukraine. And I was like, oh, here we go. And then there’s a big group of people, you know, who’ve now fallen for the latest scam, which is the Palestine-Israel conflict. You know, little buttons being pressed by the people at the top. And then we’re all at each other’s, ah, I stand with Israel, I stand with Palestine. And honestly, guys, you should stand for humanity. Absolutely. You’re being played. You’re being played so badly.

Ahmad (01:42:46.806)
The guy Netanyahu who made Israel a petri dish and jabbed them to the hill, he suddenly cares about the people? Come on. The Hamas leadership who are sitting in some hotel in Qatar care about the average Palestinian? Come on. I mean, all these people are actors and they’re playing their roles and it’s sad. And like, we need to wake up to the fact that all the divisions, all the misery that we’re seeing in the world today are manufactured. Yep.

so that we are fighting each other, we are sick, we are oppressed, and we cannot reach our maximum potential, which is really sad. But anyway, I want you back in the new year, because there’s lots of things I didn’t cover, we don’t have time, you know we’ve been over an hour and a half now. There’s stuff like breeds of dogs and cats and the importance of it and what’s healthy or not, and you know, dogs and leash, I mean, this whole thing of animals, I still wanna talk to you about. So we’ll organize something in the new year, if that’s okay.

But listen, I asked this of all my guests, this question, you may know of this if you’ve listened to my podcast, but listen, say you’ve reached a grand old age of 135, and you’ve lived a good long life and your family’s all around you, you know your time’s come, you’re on the deathbed, you’re about to meet your maker, what advice, health or otherwise, would you tell your surrounding family about you or your animals or whatever? Gosh.

Um, no pressure, no pressure. I haven’t thought about dying yet. Cause I’ve got another, I’ve got, I’ve got nearly a hundred years to go. God willing, God willing. I think, um, you know, I’d, I’d just say, you know, we’ve, everybody has their own perspective, you know, just be aware that everybody’s perspective.

is unique to them and it is coloured by past life experiences and just where they are looking, you know, which angle you’re looking from at that point in time. And that’s the same for everything that we see. So, you know, other people’s perspectives, you may not like them, you may not understand them, but just be aware that they are…

Ahmad (01:45:13.994)
no less.

Ahmad (01:45:18.114)
wedded to those perspectives from their own, because that’s how they understand things. And we’ve just got to sort of become far more tolerant of people and the things that really matter are beyond all that bitterness, all that argument. We’re here to learn how to get on with each other and to love each other and just be and…

enjoy, you know, I don’t think there’s anybody in any relationship where that relationship hasn’t got areas where those opposing views, but it doesn’t necessarily make that relationship any less strong and that should be the same with our friendship, the same as our, you know, our personal relationships as well. You know, we said it earlier as well, you know, you don’t have to discard the whole individual to not take what’s useful.

I often say to people, I don’t care who I learn from. I don’t care whether they’ve got the degree, whether they’re a professor, or whether they’re somebody down the road who’s just learned from the University of Life, or you know, or knew someone who was a horse whisperer or a dog whisperer or a trainer, you know, who’s never done any formal education, but actually got some useful observation that they’ve recognized that maybe no one else has. You know, we’ve just got to learn to…

be objective about what we hear, take what’s good, reject what we don’t like, but you don’t have to reject the individual in rejecting that as well. We’ve all got our place here and we’re all on our own journeys and we’ve just got to respect that. Yeah, no, I love that. You know, it’s really, it reminds me, I was saying, I might have been here on the podcast, that if I met myself from a month ago or a year ago, probably be disagreeing with them.

Yeah. You know, if I look back where I was as a 20 year old kid, I’m a different person. Oh, totally. You know, I grew up. Well, you are, but you aren’t because. Yeah. Because you’re a product of, you know, you you’re a different person in terms of where you’ve evolved to. But that this is the whole what I’m saying is it’s a whole journey. We’re this is the whole quantum physics thing. You know, it is the journey on the way that determines where you’re.

Ahmad (01:47:43.294)
Yeah. So although, yes, you are on one level, a different person from where you are before, you are where you are now because of what came before as well. 100%. And so, you know, don’t, you know, we can’t discard or discount the journey and the lessons that we’ve learned on the way. And this is why I don’t regret any of the hardships and of which I’ve had many. Yeah. Because they have led me to this point where I am today and I like where I am today.

And if I took away all those obstacles and problems, I would be in a different place. Don’t wanna be there. But I’ll just give an example, like when I was a little kid, in my teens, I went to France, went to Paris, went with my brother, and we ordered a steak at the restaurant and this French snooty waiter came over and said, what would you like, gas, or normal still water. I was like, gas, I was like, just water. And he brought a bottle of fizzy water.

and I drank it, I almost spat it out. I was like, what the fr… Who drinks this disgusting, fizzy water? Right, then I… Then I ordered steak, and the guy was like, how would you like the steak done? And I said, well done. And the look of disgust on his face was hilarious. And then he walked off, and I tucked into my steak and everything. You know, now, I love sparkling water, and I like my steak medium rare. More rare than medium, all right?

So if I met myself when I was younger, I would have been that waiter, I would have slapped myself over the head and said, don’t ruin that decent piece of meat. And that person that was 20 looking at me now would be like, who the hell is that guy? Why is he eating that? So we’re so different in that respect. That’s just one example. So we’re shaped by our experiences and by time. I mean, I think there’s some people who are very rigid. But I think it’s important to stay open, open to ideas. And when you start getting fixed,

on a set of opinions or dogma or ideology, that’s where you’re not in a healthy place to be. No, no, I mean…

Ahmad (01:49:49.71)
My definite, you know, the environment around us changes second by second. We’re never actually in the same environment ever again in our lifetime. So the definition of health isn’t absolute. The definition of health is how much we adapt to the surroundings around us second by second. And if we can do that, we stay healthy. And that’s healthy mind, healthy body, everything else, you know? So…

we’ve got to stay fluid. You know, we’re in a dynamic world, dynamic universe, and we’ve got to recognize that dynamism and realize that we’ve actually got to go with the flow, up to, you know, keep to our principles, know what we do is right and follow your heart, and know that you’ll be catered for when you do. Amazing, amazing, I like that. Be like grounded in principles and morals and ethics and values and religion, whatever.

but have that flexibility that allows you to give and adapt to your surroundings. Amazing. I think that’s a great place to end. To all my listeners, you’ll find all the links to Roger’s website and whatever else, social media on my website, www.docmalloc.com. The merch store will be coming out if it’s not already out by the time this podcast airs, so please support me. You can buy me a coffee. You can subscribe to my sub stack. I’m hitting 350 now.

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