I Speak To The Wonderful Jessica Rose

Jessica Rose is an Applied Mathematician, Immunologist, Computational Biologist (whatever the heck that is!), Molecular Biologist, Biochemist, Musician, Writer and Logger.

Jessica has been critical of the convid plandemic from the early days and brings common sense and logic to the scene. It was great chatting to her, hear her sing and have a giggle.

You have to laugh these days, and laughing at the predator class is even better.

I hope you enjoy the conversation!


I I’m, I’m totally with you.


So I think it’s recording that, you know, you know, this is the first time I’m using Stream Yard.

Oh, it’s great.

It’s great.

Video quality is really good.

OK, I I hope so.

You kind of froze there, so that kind of made me worried.


Am I back?

Um, no.

You froze again.

Oh crap, let’s do this.

They’ve got an option where we can we can record on our computers and then the final product is uploaded.

Should we try that?

Let’s try that.

No, cuz I think that’s what caused the latency issue before.


I’ll just leave it.

Let’s just carry on and keep our fingers crossed, yeah?

Everybody who listens to me knows that I go like this every now and then cuz of Internet.

So, so you just before we start talking about 80s.


So Jane Donegan, Dr. Jane Donegan is this amazing doctor, very fiery, she’s a redhead and she’s from Ireland, she lives in English England and she’s Jewish.

So there’s a real mix, but she’s a real firebrand and I love her and she’s got spirit and character and she was having some problems with the regulatory body.


And this year the GMC said they struck her off and the the Daily Mail had this article and they picked a picture of her which was actually from a video.

And they frame, they, they froze the frame where she was doing this and they put it up on the.



And they put it up on the on the paper and I made a comment on Twitter saying what a lot of BS you know, she’s a really good looking lady.

She’s a lovely sweet lady.

You know, there’s so many nice pictures of her.

They deliberately picked one out to make her look like a crazy person.


And Jane said, yeah, they made me look like a witch.


So funny.

There’s a guy, Josh Getsko.

I mean, his name is becoming common.

Now you’ve heard of Josh Getsko.

He’s the process 1-2 guy.

He’s coming here on Thursday.


Oh, perfect.

So yeah, in my studio.

Oh, good.

Oh, that’s right.


Let’s hope his plane goes, um, so he, we have a thing.

We have a data group and he’s in it And and there was a time when, you know in the beginning we were all starting to do more interviews and every every single, you know, freeze frame picture that Josh was in, you know as the, you know, advertisement for the the podcast or whatever it was.


He was like doing something weird.

It wasn’t him.

It was just a picture like, you know, it was just one of these like bad captures.

So yeah, some people, some people have that.


I’ve got a friend, Jessica.


Every single time I take a picture of him, this is what it looks like.

And I’m like, dude, your eyes are closed.

Do it again.

Keep your eyes open.

And then this is him.

This is him keeping his eyes open.

I’m like, I’m like, no.




Yeah, but anyway, we’re talking about 80s.

So we were born in the 70s and we’re talking about how the eight I love the, I love the neon, I love the music.

I just loved being a kid in the.


Yeah, the bicycles, the cool cars.


Oh man, the safety.

I mean, cheese by To be a kid in the 80s, that was the best.

Do you watch the TV series Stranger Things?


Oh, it’s really cool.

Just honestly, get on Netflix, start playing it.


It’s a flashback.

Jessica, you will love it and you will love it.

It’s a flashback to the 80s.

All right, I will, I will.

I usually do my flashbacks to 80s with with 80s music.

I’ll just, like, I’ll have one of the songs come into my head.


Like, yeah, have you seen these close Schwab Christmas album things that somebody made?

I’ve seen it, but I need to watch.

I haven’t played it yet. 15 minutes at day, 15 minutes at this day go home. 15 minutes at They don’t.


Whoever did this, it’s like they managed to make it look exactly how it would look if Klaus Schwabri did those songs.

It’s brilliant.

I love it.

So I’ve been revisiting the the original music video by Starship and I did it the other day and I was like just like man.


We don’t make music like this anymore.

It’s so it’s so freaking unique.

Not just the sounds, but the like, the the rhythms and the singing.

The everything was so there.

You can’t compare anything to the 80s.

It’s like the 80s was the 80s and it’ll never happen again.


It sounds sad.

It was.

It was awesome.

My wife for a birthday present we went to this thing where they reenact things.

I don’t know if you have them.

We call them secret cinema and you go and we have like and we went to The Dirty dancing one.


So they had this massive open air park and they closed it all off and they recreated the resort and and you could go it was meant to and we were taking part in games and and then we went to the parties and the discos and.


That’s genius.

I love that movie.

I mean, everybody loved that movie.

Patrick Swayze, like and he was also in point break.

I mean how can you go wrong?

Yeah, brilliant, brilliant 80s.

I’m, I’m proud to be a a person who grew up in the 80s.


Mixtapes, you know, winding it with your pencil, your your stupid little tape recorder.

Did you, man?

Did you, did you do this where you would get your tape recorder?

And because because we were so pure, we’d get our tape recorder and put it next to the TV when they’re playing music videos in the TV and record it from the TV.


How do you think I got all my Madonna on tape?

I was, I was like the the biggest fan of Madonna.

Not so much anymore.

But like, you know, she she was, she was it.

She was so hot.

She was so cool.

Every, you know, every Halloween I was Madonna in the like a Virgin video.


I just yeah.

And so every time I heard her come on the radio, I did it from the radio.

So I I would have a tape ready like in my little tape player.

And when I heard I was like and so every single song was the beginning cut off.

Isn’t it funny how someone can become someone who’s pretty cool can become so uncool?


Like she is not cool now?

Like she is.

I know what happened.


I think she got lost in the idea of her former self and then forgot what, you know, it was all about.

I don’t know, like I let’s put it this way.

She’s like, like if she presented herself as she is today to me back then I wouldn’t have been interested.


Like the The reason she was so cool was because she was.

She was just such a rubble and she had the coolest style and she was asymmetric and she was like sassy and and her songs were good too, you know, I don’t know, I I I loved her.


I I mean, everybody did.

Every girl wanted to emulate Madonna and, well, I’ve got.

Yeah, I’m sure.

My theory is she’s just sold her soul to the devil.


Could be.

I don’t know what that means.

But I mean I I’m, I’m being, you know, whatever.


I I know what that means.

But like I’ve never done that.

So I don’t know what that means in in practical language.


I I think that kind of contract is permanent.

So it’s not the kind of thing you can.


And got out of.



Not like home sold his he sold to the devil for a donut, and then Marge got it back on a on a, you know, a.

Legality or something that your soul is officially the property of Marge Simpson?

I don’t think that’s gonna happen.


It’s not gonna happen.

But you know, look, going back to the 80s, I think that’s kind of relevant to us.

And the reason why I’m saying that is I think our generation, we’re the generation that’s leading the the charge now.

So the baby boomers are partly at fault, right?


They’re they’re partly to blame for everything.

And then you had this kind of weird generation, XI think it is, and you had the millennials, and they were just snowflakes and delicate little pamby babies and just didn’t know anything.


And you got the next generation after that, I think a little bit more clued up and I’m like, what the hell is going on here?

But it’s mainly us, the millennials, who are like, leave us alone, just leave us alone and let’s get on with our lives.

Why is our life not as comfortable as our parents?


Why is life harder than it is for our parents?

Why are we not as free as our parents?

I thought we defeated the Soviet Union.

We’re the ones.

I think you’re really questioning and asking what the hell is going on?

I mean, I don’t know.

That’s my my thought.

What do you think?

No, no, you’re you’re.

I think you’re right.


Like I’ve had this conversation with Pierre Corey.

He brought it up one time when we were talking and he said just.

Has it ever occurred to you that like all of us, like people who are kind of in this, you know, freedom thing are all the same age and I’m like HM, you know, Yeah, pretty much we are.


How interesting is that?

Not all of us, you know, there are discrepancies.

Yeah, pretty much.

So I think there is something to the something something happening in in in the like the the year we were born type thing, the years that we were born.


It’s interesting.

I I was on a call the other day we were one of my friends has been working on a Gomperts model.

Please don’t ask me to explain that because I won’t be able to and it it’s he’s taking data going back to 1880 like death data and and and so.


He’s finding interesting patterns in how long you’re going to live based on the year that you were born.

And so apparently they’re like, there’s like a time right around 1974 when life expectancy, if I understood what he showed properly, kind of tapers off.


Maybe I’m getting that wrong, but the gist is when you were born, like kind of when you were in utero.

May have something to do with how long you’re gonna live.

I don’t like that.

I saw some placentas in a video the other day from a mom who was like a meat eater and like didn’t restrict her diet.


She just like did what her body told her to do during her pregnancy and a woman who was a vegan.

And the difference was like night and day.

Like one was fluffy and red and healthy and the other one was calcified.

There’s a word for it I don’t remember.



And my my friend who who’s who knows about this stuff and whose wife is a nurse, said that some of the placentas are actually like transparent in in undernourished women.

So it’s like it makes me think because this is the food sack, the nutrition at at like before, you know in the in the inception and like the the entire growth in the womb and utero this.



So it’s like, you can’t not think like how is it gonna, of course it’s gonna affect their entire lifespan.

I mean, if they, I don’t know, it’s gonna affect development for sure.

So I guess, I guess what I’m trying to say is maybe our year was good.


I don’t know.

Who knows?

Yeah, maybe there’s less chemtrails.

God knows.

You wanna hear an interesting fact?

Yes, so this Gumpert the Gumperts function is named after Benjamin Gumperts, who lived in 1779 to 1865.

He was an actor in London, privately educated and yeah, my wife is one of his descendants.



Yeah, you’re joking.

No, I’m not lying.

She’s a Gumpert.

She’s now a Malik.

She’s not to all the Americans.

To all the American listeners, I am not to Malik.

It’s Doc Malik.

Yeah, so my wife.

My wife was a Gompert and then.


That’s wild.

I gotta tell Joel, that’s hilarious.

I thought you’d like that.

She’s an orthopedic surgeon too.

She’s an orthopedic.

Do you know what?

I’ll tell you a fact now, OK?

The thing always wanted to do.


And some people know this about me in these interviews.

It was to be an orthopedic surgeon.

So I, I, yeah, it’s it’s like of all the surgeon types, I wanted to be that kind.

I wanted to put people back together.

So I have a really good friend in in Hawaii who’s an orthopedic surgeon and he he came to visit Israel when you know, I was doing some surfing teaching there and and every moment that we had I would just.


Probe his brain and and pick his brain and ask him to like tell me gruesome stories about the surgeries that he’s done recently and and he would he was just telling me like so this is the point where you and and he was very descriptive about how how much force you need in certain procedures like it’s it’s really like you gotta like yeah this is perfect yeah.


Oh man.

Anyway, so it never happened that way.


Maybe in the future.

I live another 50 years.

But yeah, I applied to Med school, but they they didn’t want me.

So I just tried to, you know, dry my tears and continue on an academic path and well worked out.


I suppose you know what?

Everything just happens for a reason.

And then it was it was medical, you know, the medical professions lost, not yours.

It was your gain.

You’re you’re a critical, you’re a critical thinker.

They would have tried to have indoctrinated you and that and that would have made you unhappy.


So everything happens for a reason.

Either that or I would have been indoctrinated and and, you know, absorbed into the system.

I doubt that.

But yeah, man, that I don’t think you would have, I think you would have been a rebel.



I always kind of was an outsider.

Like every project I did, I was.

I was the one that everyone laughed at.

I didn’t mind it because it’s like, you know, laughter is all good in my eyes.

But yeah, I when I did my master’s in immunology, it was a master’s in medicine with a.


Focus on immunology and it was interdisciplinary.

Like half of my time was spent in the math lab and half was in the Level 3 HIV lab and it was in the hospital like in St.

John’s, NL.

So I I I really like in some in some point like I I’m really like fluctuating when I work.


So when I work I work and when I don’t I’m not there.

So when I was there like.

Yeah, I I just I I was so fascinated with everything.

Not just medical and not just bench work related, but like the the whole thing.


I used to go to grand rounds for fun and I my my colleague Lisa.

Who was doing a joint MD PhD.

She saw me at grand rounds one day and she’s like, what the hell are you doing here?

And I’m like, I just come here for fun to learn and and so she was like, you are so weird.


And yeah, yeah, that’s great.

But Jessica, it’s all about, it’s all about having fun and whatever.

Like I don’t believe in working for the sake of working.

Like work is there.


But whatever I do, I don’t want to see work as work.


I want to do things that I’m having fun.

I’m passionate about.

I’m having fun.

And I also think like, I feel sorry for people who can’t switch off.

Like they do a rubbish job that they hate, they hate their boss, It’s stressful.

And then they go home and they’re just thinking about their work and they can’t spend.


They can’t just disconnect and spend time with their family or go out and enjoy the sunshine.

It just consumes them and they’re miserable.

Actually, what you should be doing is just loving your job and loving life and just being happy and laughing, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.


This is the most different interview I’ve done in three years, because there’s lots of laughter and and stuff that’s not about what we always talk about these days.

I really appreciate it.

It’s good.

I need to ask where your accent Oh, so I was born in Scotland and I hear it.


Yeah, this is a Scottish accent, but this this is a posh Scottish accent, So.

Yeah, yeah, I can understand you.

You can understand.

That’s a good point.

So where I no, it’s true.

But listen, where I was born and brought up was a really rough working class area.


I mean, like, I remember being told in school in 1981, like the average life expectancy of a guy was 41 and they were either dying of heroin addiction or alcoholism.

It was a rough.

It was rough.

You know, if you’ve ever watched a movie called Trainspotter it was like that.


It was in a rough part of government.

And Drummond at that point all the industry had fallen apart.

So, you know, it was really, really working class.

So I’m the only brown kid.

I’m the only, you know, Muslim there.

I’m the only Packy and all the classes why and and you know, I stuck out like a sore thumb but I didn’t When it came to speaking, I was like, I alright, bow has it gone me?


You know, it’s all like that.

But then my parents business and took off and then we moved to a very affluent part of Glasgow, very small area.

Some people might say, is that even possible?

Because it’s very, it’s very, yeah, it’s just a working class city.

But in this little ISIS, suddenly I went to school and everybody talked like this.


I was like, Oh my God, I’m a Paki, I’m a Muslim, I’m brand, I’m working class and I’m like, all right, how’s it going?

And everyone’s like, hello, hello.

So I was like the only thing I can change is my accent, so I tempered it down so I could fit into the group, you know so.


Can you do the big Scottish accent?

Yeah, not gonna do it though.

You won’t understand me.

Damn, I love it.

I love it.

I can’t even try to like I grew up in Newfoundland, basically like 17 years and.


You can’t help but pick up the twangs of the places you’ve been, especially when you’re young.

So it’s like, sometimes when I’m speaking I can still hear it, especially if I get excited about like subject matter, like viruses.

I tend to turn really Newfoundlander.


But yeah, I’ll give you an example if if I was from an out port.

And by the way, I, I, I never make fun of people.

If anyone wants to try and interpret that way, I I love everyone and I adored Newfoundland and Newfoundlanders.

But everybody who lives in Newfoundland knows that if you’re county, if you’re from St.


John’s, you speak differently than than the outpour community members.

And so if you’re saying something like, hey buddy, you want to go downtown tonight?

I I even had a bit of a twang there.

You’d say, hey buddy, we’re going to downtown tonight, so it’s like really, really fast.


I probably screwed that up too.

But it’s like it’s more like it’s like one word drawl.

No, I love it.

I love it.

I love accents.

I think it makes people really interesting.

I really do, yeah, for secret code.


Yes, yes, you know, you talk about how?

This is a different interview, Jessica.

I need to, I need to let you in a secret.

Even I even I get fed up talking about COVID.

I’m like, oh, here we go again.


Oh my God, here we go again.

It’s like, I don’t want it to be about COVID all the time.

And part of the reason I wanted to do the podcast was definitely COVID and wake people up to all the BS.

And what I figured out was it’s like a web.

Everything’s interrelated.


Everything’s linked.

And and you can’t just see anything in isolation anymore.

And it’s whether you look at the banking system, big pharma, Big Agra, processed food, all the wars and bullshit, all the division amongst humanity.

It’s all BS, this whole agenda.


The transgender they’re pushing and everyone the sexualization of the children at the 15 Minutes cities, the climate scam.

I mean, have I got it all?

I think I’ve got it.

But I mean they’re all linked.

They’re all linked and it’s all about.

Impoverishing us.

Making us distracted and fight amongst each other and fearful while enriching and empowering the elite few that the parasitical, predatory class.


And yeah, so I wanted to fight back, and that was the reason for the podcast.

But even I was thinking, right, if I listen to nothing but Covico, I’m going to switch off.

I mean, it’s depressing.

So I thought, I really want to empower and inform people.

I’ll teach them.

Hopefully through the podcast, talking to amazing people like yourself about their health, about their diet, about all all this other stuff.


And so keep it mixed, you know, Keep it interesting, keep it varied and keep it funny because you know, you’re talking about the Claus Schwab thing, dude.

We need to take the piss out of them.

We need to laugh at them and you and it’s so funny when we do and imagine they’re like they either have no idea what to do with that ’cause they don’t understand what senses of humour are, or they’re really pissed.


So either way, we win.

Can you can you then on that note please do the 15 minute clash WAP thing again.

What was it?

15 minute City stay close to home 15 minutes.

City Dong Dong 15 minutes and outrone.


I love it.

I love it too.

I found her friend Scott found that for me yesterday.

And I’ve been searching for it and I’m like, I need to hear that again so I can laugh.

And I I don’t know what it is about that.


It’s a bunch of little segments, like he does a bunch of artists, but this particular one just, I don’t know why.

It just grabs me.

It’s so funny.

I love it.

He He is a cartoon baddie, isn’t he?

I mean, seriously, I mean, what’s that funny?


Is he so he wear he wears a shirt like but you know what that is right?

That’s that’s him priming us, trying to pre normalize the the the the outfit of the ruler and he’s going to be like standing in his auditorium with his podium and his weird things hanging on the wall beside him and dictating all the things to the little people in the audience.


Like just like 1984, that scene when the when the guy’s face is on the screen and the and the things and the five, you know, top guys or whatever in their front and all the little people doing this.

I mean it’s it’s that’s what I think he’s setting it up for.


Like I am the supreme ruler.

You know what I want to give him?

You wanna.

I want to give him.

I want to give him the Spaceball Darth Vader helmet.

I don’t know if you’ve seen it and that it’s the.

It’s a 1980s movie, 1980s movie.



It takes the pisset at Darth Vader.

It’s like it’s like this massive helmet.

Like Darth Vader helmet.

I I want to give that to Claus Schwab.

I think he’ll look so cool in that.

Isn’t it funny?


Like so many movies and songs are just like guides, like Dr. Evil, you know, like it’s like it’s it’s like a comical playbook of what’s happening, isn’t it?


It really, really is.

I don’t think he’s actually the main baddie.

I think he’s just a.

That we capture the the the wheel out.

You know I agree with you.

I think he’s he’s one of the the the the frontman puppets.


I mean my personal take on it is the the real baddies like the ones with the fingers on the strings or even the one controlling the hands.

We don’t know who they are.

We, we, we kind of probably do.


But they might not even be people.

They might be more entities or corporations or families.

Who knows?

But yeah, all these front people like being thrown under the bus, yeah.

Wouldn’t it be funny if Klaus Schwab’s actually like, hey man, don’t you think we’re overdoing it?


Like, seriously, I just wanna, like, chill out a bit.

And then his, his handlers come along and say, hey, Klausch, come on, now, we need you to get up there on that stage.

And he goes, do I need to put on that funny accent?

Yeah, Klausch, you need to put on the.

You’ll want me to talk like this, Klauschwab.

Yes, That’s it.


You got it.

And he’s like to get him out on stage and if he tries to like wait, they’re like get back out there.

Seriously, I I wonder, like, wouldn’t it be funny if that’s actually, he’s like, oh, this is so funny.


Oh man, friends, play.

I I bet.

I mean, is he married?

Is he got kids?

I mean, what is this kids doing?

I mean, his kids must be like, wow, you’re so embarrassing.

You’re called Daddy pringe.

Please, Dad, stop this.

Holy crap.

I don’t know what an interesting question that I’ve never thought of before.


I I just kind of thought he was who he was and he just kind of exists and then he’ll poof one day he wasn’t actually born.

No, listen, that guy has to go to the toilet and wipe his ass with toilet paper like anyone else.

He’s a he’s a human being.


He burps, He farts.

Yeah, unless he’s a robot.

Unless he actually is a robot.

He’s got a little button in the back.

He comes, Come, I am Claus Schwab, 15 minutes city.

You’ll or nothing.

And be happy.

I mean, did he actually even say that?

You know, if he said that by anyway.


Anyway, enough of that.

Listen, you mentioned something about viruses.

I want to get this off my chest.

I’m really, I’m really, like, struggling with this now.

I’m really struggling the no virus, people virus.

No virus.

That Mark Bailey, you know, something to virology or virus.

I need to watch that video people.


I mean, like, they’re really quite on it.

This, it’s all about.

There’s no virus.

If you believe in viruses, you’re part of the problem.

They say, Oh my God, my head’s hurting.

Please stop, you know.


And I’m going to.

They’re quite cultish and quite.


Oh, we won’t come on your podcast until you believe in what we’re saying.

And I’m like, you’re the only people who talk like this.

And someone said to me, oh, what kind of journalist are you?

You’re not even asking balance questions.

Like, hold on one second, do I, fracking, look like a journalist?


Do I sound like a this is not a journal.

You’re a surgeon.


I’m a surgeon.

I’m not a freaking journalist and I’m having conversations and I’m not expected to know more than you.

The whole point is I get clever people on and I can pick your brains and you educate me.


I’m not meant to know more than you, but they want me to know as much as they do and agree with them before I get them on the platform.

And like, what the hell, No one else has said that to me.

What the hell is that all about?

So what’s your take on this No virus thing?

Please educate me.

So I was gonna throw it back to you but I already got my answer and say what happens to you personally when that conversation arises And it it’s kind of a rhetorical question because it’s like it it’s always the same answer.


I I’ve been in zoom calls where somebody will always inevitably throw this in and and basically what happens in a nutshell is chaos.

And so that that to me is the reason this exists and I know I’m going to piss a lot of people off by saying that but I’m only telling you what I’ve been observing for years.


I mean I’ve I’ve talked to Sam Bailey.

We had a great chat on a one one of her podcasts and we didn’t come to blows.

And she believes this and I believe that and she wasn’t trying to force any, you know, opinions on me and I never do that because I think that that’s stupid.


But but yeah, it’s like the the, the confusion that inevitably arises over the differing opinions is the purpose.

Because it distracts from whatever you were either talking about previously or in in in more general terms, it creates a divide in people.


I think it’s very functional whether it was designed this way or not.

I think it’s very functional as a division tool especially conversations with everybody who doesn’t have a background in virology who can’t really say one way or the other if if this virus was isolated or what an isolation technique is.


So like that’s the part that bothers me.

I I don’t give a flying fake if if anybody believes whatever they want to believe, you can believe the earth is flat and I will still adore you if you don’t hurt people.



If you don’t intentionally hurt people I don’t care what you believe that’s the line for me and and the one thing I will say that that I saw recently is and it kind of it reflects in what you said about like kind of being pushed.


I’m a person who really doesn’t appreciate it if people try and push it on me or try and who who undermine my own intelligence by thinking that I need to believe something.

I hate that shit.

So am I allowed to say yes?


Anyway, so I I don’t like the fact that that they’ve recently put out up a piece at Salmon and her husband.

And I’m not trashing them.

It’s I’m just making a commentary here that was revolving around Peter McCullough and I I I didn’t like the fact that it it was like an offensive piece against a person.



It wasn’t about subject matter.

It wasn’t about science.

It wasn’t about defending what they believe that viruses don’t exist.

I’ll listen to that till the end of the moon.

But as soon as somebody makes things kind of, they take it out of the arena of having a scientific argument into making it personal.


That’s that’s one of these signs, these ad hominem attacks, that that there’s something not quite right there.

And that’s when I start thinking that this, this is something other than a person who believes that viruses don’t exist.

So again, I’m not, I’m not saying that I know anything with certainty.


I’m just reflecting my own feeling about it.

My I have.

I have very strong feelings about not being told what to do.

That’s probably why I’m doing what I’m doing now, because it’s like, yeah, I’m not going to be doing all that shit that you’re mandating.


I’m just not.

So yeah, it’s it’s it’s a subject matter that is important.

I’m not saying that, it’s not not saying that interesting discussions can’t be had.

I believe that viruses exist.

Personally I’m, I’m not a virologist, but I’m an immunologist who studies viruses.


But that’s I guess what the, the conclusion remark would be.

That’s not what that’s about.

That’s what I would say.

OK, OK, so 1:00.

I definitely think it’s us being 70s kids.

We don’t like people telling us what to do.


I’m a rebel, just like you.

The moment someone tries to tell me, Oh my God, I hate and I hate a hard sell as well.

Like, I do not like a hard, like like let me just browse the shop.

If I like something I like saying if I don’t, I don’t.

You know, like when you go to Morocco and places like this or Turkey and they’re like by the by the like, just back off in a store.


I’m like by yeah, I automatically feel like, you know, I if I’m in a good mood, a really good mood, I I can be a little belligerent too.

But if I’m in a really good mood, I’ll just look at them with a calm expression and say if I need help, I will ask you for it.


And if they don’t get the signal to go away, then I usually walk out.

Yeah, yeah.

I’m the same side.

I don’t like a hard sell 100%.

And I and I feel like like you.

I feel like if something’s a bit weird, like, I think that the problem with my interactions with the Novirus people is what they don’t realize is I’m actually totally open to it.


I’m like, I’m, I’m so simple.

It’s unbelievable.

I am a very simple guy.

I my head hurts sometimes when I hear their conversations.

I’m like, what?

What the hell is it?


What are they talking about?

I don’t know anything about this stuff.

Like, what’s this?

What’s that?

And I want I wanted I actually wanted them to come on my podcast and explain it to me like a simpleton.


I’m not gonna I’m not gonna mention names but someone said I will.

Someone very famous in the novirus camp said to me I I want to have a zoom first with you right.

I’m like OK well that’s a bit weird.

I’ve I’ve had like 70 interviews.

No one’s asked for his Zoom before.

You never said to me Ahmed we will have a pre podcast zoom.


I was.

I have, I have.

It’s not completely unheard of, but did you do it?

Yeah, I did it.

I did it.

I said you went to the Zoom.

Here I am.

And then they’re like, so, like, what do you want to talk about?

I was like, I want, I want to hear all of it.

There’s no virus saying I want you to educate me.

Oh, haven’t you watched now on my videos?


And I was like, I was like, yeah, I’ve seen one or two.

But I really, I’ve got a lot of questions.

And well, I think unless you understand everything, then there’s no point.

Because you know what I was just getting, man, I’ve had this conversation so many times.

It’s just ridiculous.


OK, so you know what I would say to that?

I I, I always put the shoe on the other foot and I bring it back to myself.

And I’m like, in what universe would I ever say that to somebody?

I would never, ever say to somebody you haven’t watched my videos.


Like, you have to go watch my videos and learn everything that I know before I’ll even have a conversation with you.

I would never say that to someone.

I would more likely than not say OK I’ll I’ll I’ll try and run you by like as a surface level session of of what my take on things is like I can’t explain to you exactly what virology is and therefore why I don’t believe that it’s a thing.


You know what I mean.

It’s like, yeah, it’s a simple request like what do you what?

He sounded very exasperated and said you won’t know the right questions to ask and you won’t get the best at the podcast and you need to.

So I turned it around to him and said this, Look, I’m a foot and ankle surgeon and you know before I was suspended, if I saw a patient, I got suspended.


You probably don’t know this.

I got suspended about 3-4 weeks ago because of my this, my views, and how can I just ask you, how the hell does that happen?

I mean, aren’t you one of the most important human beings on the planet per?


Like what you do with your brain and hands?

Like how does that happen?

I’m being serious like.

I can’t go into it right now.

It’s oh, OK.


I just can’t.

But it’s it’s actually ridiculous.

It’s proper.

This is cancel culture, this is censorship.


This is the authority saying we’re not allowing people like this to speak out.

You know, but anyway, moving on.

So what I said to him was, if I was in my clinic, I do remember those days and I still have a one or two, you know, clinics that I can go to.


Although on Monday I’ve only got one patient.

So if anyone, everyone, anyone wants to see an ethical fin, ankle surgeon come and see me.

So basically I am, I would say to someone who with an ankle Spain.

Oh, what happened to you?

And you know, they’d be like, oh, I’ve spained my ankle and they’re really anxious and worried.

I’d be like, OK, right, well.


According to this guy, I said to him, the way you’ve reacted, I should say, oh, you got an ankle?


What’s a big deal?

Like you’re you’re gonna be fine in a few weeks time.

Off you go.

I said just because I’ve done it, Just because I’ve done it 1000 times doesn’t mean I’m justified in speaking like that.


I should tell this person the first time.

Look, I’m really sorry you’ve hurt your ankle.

Tell me about it.

What are your expectations?

What are your concerns?

Let me have a look at it.


This is how bad it is.

This is what I recommend you do.

And I’ve done this conversation 1000 times and in my head is boring as hell.


Honestly, it’s boring as hell.

But I don’t tell the patient that.

I don’t show the patient that I make that patient feel like they’re the most important person in the world.

I’ve never had this conversation before.

And I will take them for the journey, hold their hand and support them.

And I said that’s what makes a good doctor.


Not someone that goes, oh, haven’t you seen my videos about this?

I mean, you see my Instagram posts.

Have you not done any Googling on this?

For God’s sake, man, come on, you’re wasting my time.

Get the fuck out of here.

You know that’s a good doctor.

And at that this person laughed and went, ha ha ha, we will get on well.


And I was like, OK, OK, I’m a little confused.

I think a better, like answer that you could have given is like, oh, you sprained your ankle.

Well, I wrote a book on that because you know, this is my field.


I I think what you should do before you think that you sprained your ankle.

It doesn’t really hurt.

You have to read my book first and then you’ll know whether or not you sprained your ankle.

Come back to me then that that that would be like, I I I mean, they’re gonna listen to this.


So I I hope that you listen.

I’m not trying to antagonize.

I’m not trying to make fun.

I’m I’m seriously trying to get into the head of most people who are who seem a little angry.

I don’t know how else to put it, and I’m not saying.

I would say not all of them are like that, but especially at the top top, I would just say look, be kind, be kind, be gentle.


We are all on a journey and some of us are further along the journey than others.

And I’m open to it.

I just want someone to explain to it.

But anyway, you, you say you study viruses, What the hell?

I mean, I didn’t think we’re going to spend so much time talking about this, but it doesn’t matter.

We’ve got plenty of time.


What what is this thing about purification of viruses?

I kind of get it.

They’re saying that you you can’t show that you’ve got a virus.

No one has ever said, look, here’s here, 100% viral material, viruses and and it’s all everything they do is indirect and they use soups and cocktails of bovine serum and other DNA fragments and then mix it all up and break it and go, oh, see, here’s a virus.


And by their definition they’re saying that’s not real.

And then also they say if you take one bit of virus, so-called virus and put it in someone else, that doesn’t necessarily cause an infection.

And and by that default nature, there is no such thing as contagion.


And then some people are saying it’s not even just viruses, even bacteria doesn’t cause contagion.

If you take pus and bacteria from one person, put it in another person, it wasn’t, it won’t cause infection.

Now at this point my brain starts hurting because I told that same person an analogy that and at Christmas last year I was kneeling down to like the the wood fire and in the rug there was a Christmas bubble cap and it I didn’t see it and it pierced my skin through the genes and it punctured my knee.


And within hours my knee was red and hot and painful and agony and there was an infective Bursitis.

I could tell I was getting a temperature and everything and I just, I had antibiotics and I took them and within, you know, 36 hours it was, it was getting better again.


Now I don’t think.

I think that was bacteria.

Bacteria got from the surface of my skin inside where they shouldn’t have been and that my immune system wasn’t there to prepare and they caused an infection and the antibiotics fixed it.

Now according to this person, he goes, no, no, no, no, there’s a puncture and there’s dead tissue and the bacteria are only there to eat the dead tissue.


And I’m like, OK and it’s like and and and antibiotics aren’t the the treatment And it was like, So what am I meant to do like rub a crystal over it?

Like I’m like I’m not like I don’t know what are we meant to do?


Are we not meant to use antibiotics anymore?

Like I’m a bit confused by all this.

So can you just expand on any of that?

Like what are your thoughts on?

That no, I just have questions.

So this person believes in bacteria.

But not pathogenic bacteria.


Yeah, like bacteria don’t in themselves cause disease.

Yeah, OK.

I don’t know.

This is what I mean.

My brain starts to heart like, like big and I get it.


Like like Jessica, I get it because I had.

I had a Sheena Fraser, Dr. Sheena Fraser, She was telling, talking about biomes.

You tell me this back here in the eyes and the brains and the gut and the bacteria everywhere in our body.

We live with them and they don’t cause us any problems.

So there’s clearly a balance issue.


So there’s a germ theory.

There’s a terrain, there’s.

And pathogenic bacteria.

I mean, it’s pretty simple.

We we are just a suit of.

We have, we have a viral and we have a, you know, a microbiome.

We’re we’re a composite of so many living creatures.


Most people don’t understand that.

Like we’re, we’re a balancing act and some of these bacterial strains.

If, if you’ve ever heard Sabine Hazan’s work or her talking about what she does, she’s a gastroenterologist.

They’re really essential to human health.


They’re essential to brain health.

They’re essential to gut health.

They’re essential to all sorts of things.

And so we we have these like the immune system too.

We have these gorgeous balanced.

Populations of cells and creatures and all sorts of things, constantly ebbing and flowing, cancer cells included.


So the the problems can arise if you have a pathogenic strain of bacteria getting out of control.

That can happen if your immune system is compromised.

What is my cat doing?

It can happen if you get like a high load all at once, like maybe you got in your knee, like maybe you got a big, like dose of pathogenic bacteria all at once.


It sounds like it from the rate of of symptom imposition.

But like, yeah, and and I think of course the same thing applies to viruses, I mean.

Apparently 8% of our genome is retroviral.

So we’re also a composite, like genetic composite of all sorts of things that we’ve been coevolving with for a long, long time.


I I mean we we are a composite entity.

And so you know we have viruses in US.

I mean the statistics are that about, you know, 50 to 80% of us are carriers of CMV cytomegalovirus.

It can be really bad if you’re pregnant or under certain circumstances if you’re immunologically compromised.


A lot of us are carriers of herpes.

I mean that that’s why some people get cold sores all the time or whatever.

That’s why a lot of people are having, yeah, outbreaks of of shingles.

It’s the, you know, it’s the thing that happens once you’ve had chickenpox as a child.


A lot of people who got the shots had outbreaks of shingles, which is kind of a leaves wrestling in the wind thing indicative of that immunical immunological.

Entity not controlling that virus locally.


Somehow something got disrupted there.

So it’s like we we can we can argue over the the words.

I don’t mind that at all.

I’m also openminded like you and I love these conversations.

I I had a a conversation with Tom Cowen on a Ricky Verandez podcast and it was one of the most fascinating hours I’ve ever had.


He He has.

He he is a very intelligent person and he has a wealth of information to lend.

I don’t agree with everything he says, but who gives a crap?

You know, we don’t have to agree on things.

So like, I think maybe a more pertinent thing to argue about if we’re going to argue about something is terminology.


Because like, maybe all they’re really saying is that we we shouldn’t call.

These things doing this that they’re claiming have certain properties.

Viruses, like, maybe they I don’t.

I don’t know like according to what I’ve learned and I’m also admitting that maybe I’m just highly indoctrinated by textbooks, is that viruses can be, they’re basically just genetic material and they can be packaged or not.


And they can be RNA, they can be DNA.

And it’s all very fascinating to me because we’re also DNA and we also have messenger RNA.

So it’s like the it’s almost like the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

I mean so these are the conversations I’d like to have, but you can’t really have those conversations with people who come at you it in a in a either an offensive or defensive way.


It’s like everybody has to kind of come curious.

That’s the thing that that’s the the thing that I I’m kind of feeling from from this whole virus no virus thing that that I don’t feel.


I don’t feel like there’s enough scientific curiosity.

I feel like it’s more like this is how it is and if you don’t believe it then you’re then I see a lot of name calling.

That’s that’s what I observe.

So yeah, yeah.

Me too.



It’s almost like if you don’t agree with this, you’re part of the problem.

And it’s like, whoa, easy, hold up.

Slow, I’ve been told.

So it’s like I’m I don’t see myself as a problem.

I I just.

I try more to be a problem solver.


I I know the more I learn, the less I know.

That’s how I feel.

I feel completely ignorant.

It doesn’t matter how many degrees I have.

It’s like, it’s almost like literally, The more I learn, the more I feel like total.

Like I I know nothing about the universe.


I mean, we don’t even know how the brain and the heart are really synced.

I mean these basic things.

We don’t know what happens when we’re sleeping, like all these crazy things that we all do every day.

It’s like and and what the hell is is is that moment when.


When life starts, like, what the hell is that?

I mean, I’m, I’m fascinated by all these things that happen every day that we don’t understand.

And it’s like you can’t possibly come to the table of any conversation saying, well, this is how it is.


It’s like, I’m not listening to you go back and think you you’ve you.

I don’t know how you’ve heard my last few podcasts because they haven’t been released yet, but that’s exactly what I’ve just been saying.

I know nothing.

Honestly, it’s you’re freaking me out.


You’re freaking me out.

Because on Friday I had two, yeah, I did two podcasts, and one was with Phil Escott and one was with Travis Christofferson.

And both of them, I was saying the exact same thing as you right now.

Like, the more I find out, the more I actually learn, I the less I actually know.


And it doesn’t sound like it makes sense, but trust me, because all it does is it has more questions.

And I go, what the frack like and everything you’re saying 100% like, where when does life start?

Like what ignites it?

What the hell?

And I have come to the conclusion that we are souls, that we’re a body.


We’re not a body that has a soul.

We are spiritual beings.

And you know, you talk to Jack Cruz and he talks about our magnetism and our light within us.

We’re creatures of light, magnet and water.

And it just blows your mind.

And and what’s what’s water?


That is one of the things that like, I’m sorry, I sound crazy when I when I talk like this, but I’m a surfer.

I I go to the water whenever there are waves.

And this is seawater.

And today I went swimming because there aren’t waves and every single time I go into this weird liquid saline.


Rich body.

It’s like I have.

I’m sorry.

I know it sounds stupid, but I have an experience.

It’s like I know that I’m water.

I I know that there are phases of water.

I know that we don’t know or we don’t clearly understand and or are taught the right way to think about water in our bodies in our cells.


But but it’s like.

It’s it’s hydrogen and oxygen and and and I’m starting to study a little bit more chemistry these days so I’m like I’m I’m I’m just like how can this be I I’m very like I’m gobsmacked by how that that that real thing right there that that I’m bobbing up and down in that I can surf waves on that like I I’m just beaming with joy after being in.


And exchanging you know ions and energy and all that stuff with, I mean how can it just be hydrogens and oxygens like what is going on there?

I It’s like it’s insane.

It’s insane.

It is.


What’s holding it together?


What’s that surface tension layer between this air thing, what the and this water thing?

And it’s like, OK, it’s a sphere and there’s gravity and there are forces and it’s like, OK, so the water.

And the air and the atmosphere and the electromagnetic sheet.


But but it’s like still, you know what I’m yeah, it’s it’s crazy.

And I don’t know.

I don’t understand any of it.

And there’s no other planet with it that we know of like we.

Know that we know of.


Yeah, that we know of.

Just this Big Blue ball of water floating through space.

It’s pretty crazy.

I love it.

I only recently found out about.

Yeah, I only recently found out about the four phase of water.

That was a bit mind blowing.

What the frack.

That was crazy.


I was like, what is this a Vuvu thing?

And it’s not.

It’s not.

It’s a real thing.

No, it’s it’s Gerald Pollock’s work and I I I attended a water conference probably in 2014, maybe nine years ago in Bulgaria and that’s where I met Luke Montagnier and I I went kind of for.


Interest because I I’m not a water scientist.

I’m not a chemist.

I I just my partner was going so I was like hey I’ll I’ll go with you and and hear what people are saying about water and science and and Gerald gave a talk and he’s a dear man and yeah it’s it’s not woohoo at all I don’t fully understand it and I haven’t gone into studying it but I understand enough to to know that that there’s.


The way that we think about water in the cellular environment for example is is not what we we think we know and and I I can’t say much more beyond that.

I need, I need to go into his work and study harder.

But yeah, it’s it’s definitely not woohoo at all.


So listen.

So listen, I’m, I’m late to the party.

And what I mean by that is, you know, 2020, I was locked down, shut down, sitting in my garden, cut off from everything.

I wasn’t on social media or anything, living in my own little bubble.


And it’s only slowly I’ve come out my little bubble and shell and thought, wow, there’s a lot of other people out here like me and started becoming quite vocal and.

The 80s crowd, yeah, and found my 80s crowd.

But you were you.

You’ve been at this right from the beginning and seem quite vocal and speaking out and networking with lots of important people.


Tell me you want to dive into COVID now.

The latest, The latest Shabam.

You want to talk about any of that kind of stuff?

Yeah, whatever you want.

Whatever you want.

Tell me just.

Clarify though like I.

My story is, you know anyone who’s heard anything I’ve ever said before probably knows this.


So sorry for being repetitive.

But in in 2019 I I had December 2019 is when I finished my last postdoc in protein biology.

And it was three years.

It was really hard work, but I love that.


But I was ready to.

I go in in like, you know, waves like I said.

How, How fitting.

And so I I use my brain for three years and then I I use my the artistic side of my brain for three, two or three years.


So I I need to switch it up.

So I planned A to showcase my talent in in the professional longboard setting in Australia.

I had all my stuff bought like it was it was a done deal.

This was going to be like my my reward plus my next step in life type trip.


And so my first flight got cancelled because I was supposed to leave in February, March of 2020 and don’t know what happened then.

And it was through China, so it got cancelled and so I rerouted through South Korea and that also had to get cancelled because they declared this pandemic.


So because of my background, I started hearing, like when they started saying the word zoonotic pathogen, I was like, ah shit, because I know what that means and it’s like I’ve watched.

Every stupid movie that you can watch about, like, you know, anything having to do with Contagion.


So and plus, you know, besides being an orthopedic surgeon, I I wanted to work in a level 4 lab.

I made it up to Level 3 but the dream is was to work with Ebola.

I don’t know why I am.

I am kind of weird that way.

But so I I I’ve read a lot of books on this.


I knew what it meant.

I study viruses.

You know, I have the immunology background.

So I was like, you know, really worried for about 8 days.

I was on the Johns Hopkins, you know, death counter.

I was like sipping my coffee in the morning, coffee in the morning.


I was like, Ben this many more people died, like morbid fascination with what was going on and how I was going to help.

And so when the real stuff started.

And by real stuff, I mean like.

When you go outside and started seeing like interacting with the real world and other people, it became real clear, real fast that this was not about a zoonotic pathogen.


This was about militarized control of people, movement speech, what we were going to do to get out of the situation.

And that all pointed to a linear way of thinking.

It also soon became.


Banning things that we have always done like using repurposed drugs as solutions type thing.

So it became real clear real fast in like the spring of 2020 to me like that something was off majorly.


So I I was pretty early on on the whole COVID thing in my investigations but as far as like.

Like, I’ve been I’ve been called a lot of stupid names like antianxer, which is just don’t get me started.


And it’s like, well, if you actually spoke to me and you looked at my CV, you’d probably figure out that I, I’m a freaking pincushion.

To reiterate what Peter McCullough said, once I I’ve been vaccinated against things people probably don’t even know about, I’ve I’m, I’m pro medicine.


I’m pro modern medicine.

I’m pro technology, I’m a scientist.


You know, it’s like I I’m all of these things that they use this stupid you know, cow pen terminology to kind of like lock you in so that people can say, oh it’s one of those.


So it’s like, you know, a lot of people will ask me now, are you, are you are you actually, you know, into vaccines anymore after all this stuff and and it’s like.

It’s interesting because there has actually been a crossover event, pardon the pun.


I now won’t get an injection of an exogenous substance, substance ever again because of what I’ve learned.

Me too.

Yeah, a lot of people have have a lot of really smart people who do a lot of reading, who keep up with the literature are saying that same thing.


So this isn’t based.

It’s not religion.

It’s not like, you know a belief system.

It’s it’s based on decades of observation, experience and and and learning.

It’s like we all we hopefully we’re all learning as we’re growing older and and basically unlearning a lot of the stuff that maybe was a was a little bit too indoctrinating.


They’ll get me started on that, but.

Yeah, it’s I I think the reason I’m going on this spiel is because I, I, you know for for the people who name call me and all the other people, it’s really important if you’re listening to understand that we’re, we didn’t come into this opposing these products against COVID.


These particular products are really different from conventional vaccines.

They’re very different.

People weren’t told that.

And there’s a lot of developments now that people are going to learn really soon.

And they’re all the people who are injected with the modified M RNA technology products are going to have problems with what they learn.


So it’s if people have been told from the beginning that these were gene therapies for example, which because they have DNA contamination they effectively are, nobody would have taken them in my opinion.

So the word vaccine itself was was absconded and a new meaning or a the, the, the known meaning, it’s going to save us, it’s going to save lives, it’s harmless.


All of these things associated with conventional vaccines from back in the day were stolen and imposed on these brand new technologies.

So it’s it’s not that we’re opposed to vaccination or to vaccines or the concept of inoculation.


Some of us are.

Some of us are.

Didn’t come into this that way, man.

We’ve we’ve seen a monster in just about every system that there is now emerge and grow and it was probably already there.

But it’s it’s a big monster.


It’s like almost every single system that you look at now and you, it’s all there.

You just have to go look.

It’s it’s like the big short movie.

It’s like the guys who figured out like everything was gonna collapse only figured it out because they looked.

It’s even it’s a line in the movie how they know they looked.


You just have to look, look at the literature, listen to people’s, you know what they’re saying, their behavior and yeah, everything is corrupt, man.

It’s crazy.

It’s it’s really frightening.

Everything is corrupt I.


I’m I’m.

I’m with you there Jessica.

You know I I was like you have been jabbed jabbed to the hill.

I stopped taking the flu shots though.

I didn’t take any flu shots because I was like this is just weird.

Why the.

And you know what really put me off the flu shot.

It was a hard sell.


I was like like that.

We still have a flu season every year.

They don’t seem to make any fracking difference.

Everyone I know who has a flu shot gets really sick and it’s like the cell.

The cell was so hard.

I was like.

There’s so many other problems in the NHS.

I mean, we should be concentrating on those.


But they seem to have the time, money, energy and you know, promo work for this flu shot every year.

I was like, this is BS, what the frack is this all about?

And then I’ll tell you.

And then ultimately was that COVID hard sell?


Like there’s nothing more than a hard sell than saying if you don’t take this, you’re an idiot.

If you don’t take this, you’re Nazi and a misogynist and a white supremist and a racist and.

And to see mine and whatever else.

And if you don’t take this, you’re not going to be able to work or go to the pub or go watch a movie or go out or have a life.


You know this.

You’re responsible for the death of my grandma.

When she.

Yeah, that right.

Total guilt tripping.


What, the frack.

I mean, you couldn’t get a bigger hard sell than that.

And that was the bullshit detector in my head going no, no, no.


If this product is so great, it will sell for itself.

It doesn’t need it.

But here we had, we had a product that needed mandating because it was so freaking good for a condition.

You need to test to know that you had it.

I mean, it just came to proper clan world.


But you’re right about this metastasis, this tumor, this growth that you see everywhere.

I think that it was there, but your body was keeping it in check.

My camera just switched off and changing over.

So basically, you know there was.

Like a little growth, but your body was able to keep it under control.


It’s just there.

It was in the shadow, It was feeding, but it was just there.

Now it’s gone rampant.

It’s gone, it’s gone on OverDrive.

It’s on steroids, Max 10, and it’s there.

And it’s like the media, the government, the regulated bodies, supernational bodies, local, local body.


Everywhere you look, everything’s corrupted and it’s sick and it’s kind of worrying.

I find it kind of wearing, but I want to pick your brains in two things very quickly.

You talked about DNA contamination.

I want you to talk about that in a second because that was apparently a conspiracy theory.

So we’re going to talk about that in a second.


But before you do that, no more than a few minutes, a couple of minutes.

You said at one point, like I’m studying immunology and I study viruses.

Like, I had to go back here.

But they say you can’t purify viruses.

So what the hell were you studying?

I mean, what these no virus people saying?

They’re saying that you can’t purify the viruses.


What were you studying if it wasn’t the virus?

So what I was actually studying were the the immune responses against the presence of the virus.

So I was, I’m not a virologist.

I was an immunologist.

So what I did literally was we would get samples of blood every Thursday from the hospital from people who had been diagnosed with HIV which meant that they they had some detectable level of HIV antibodies let’s say in in their circulation and antigen presumably so.


So we would use this sugar technique and and spinning and I won’t get into the details probably I shouldn’t cause I don’t remember cause it was like on the dinosaurs lived that I did this Anyway we we would isolate the the lymphocytes which are sorry the the white blood cells it’s this thin clear layer sorry I’m relieving the past.


We have all sorts of things in our blood.

We have red blood cells we have plasma.

We have where the antibodies live, lots of proteins and lots of other cells like lymphocytes and B cells, T cells anyway, so I would I would examine the the activity, the the functional, the the qualitative and the quantitative behavior of the HIV specific responses using specific assays.


So it’s it’s like a leaves rustling in the wind technique I did.

I wasn’t a virologist, I didn’t isolate viruses, I didn’t do electron microscopy.

I I wasn’t the person generating these images.

I would have loved to have been and maybe I will in the future.


So all these images of TEM, you know, TEM images of viruses, I I’ve never done that.

So I I see them in books and I say, oh wow, that’s fascinating.


I see a little Ebola scribbly and I’m like whoa, you know I see an HIV virion you know, schematic or a depiction or or tem.

And I’m like it’s it’s it’s like it’s so fascinating to me.


Do you know that HIV only has nine genes?

Like, that’s crazy.

Anyway, don’t get me started talking about that because I won’t stop because HIV is one of the the most fascinating, I’ll call it, an entity that I think that we’ve, I don’t know what word to use there.


Let’s just say that we study.

I don’t want to get into origins right now, but.

Yeah, cuz I’ve heard so many weird things from the fact that it’s manufactured, it’s made that it doesn’t cause AIDS.

Oh God, it’s like again, my brain just starts to hurt.


It’s too much.

It’s too much I need.

I need clever people to sort it out and tell me what the reality and truth is.

Just finding the truth is so hard.

It’s it’s all, it’s all the most fascinating stuff to me because it goes back to the nature of the beast.


And The thing is, this is the way that I think until I have like like that cool little miniature submarine, like I can shrink down and and and follow the path like I wanna, I wanna be a pathogen.

I wanna like shrink down.


I wanna be a virus.

I I wanna, I wanna go through the life cycle, the replication cycle of a virus that uses the host cell machinery.

I wanna, I I wanna see for myself like what the hell I am, what I’m what I’m doing.

Because you know, the viruses don’t really have purposes.


They’re not alive but they they replicate and and most of them are they’re using host cell machinery to do so and basically they’re just replicating their genetic material and and the component parts that for packaging so that they can you know resist environments and shit like that and and in fact cells you hear me talking about this.


I mean this is what I’ve studied.

I I believe that there are packages like protein packages protective coatings around genetic material that we call viruses.

It’s interesting because we also have endosomes which can also carry RNA for example in it’s like there are things I think this is where there’s a lot of crossover in this conversation and again I’ve never really had a good one about it.


So I’m just just kind of guessing from what I’ve heard, this is where the crossover is between how someone who doesn’t believe in viruses would actually define what they are, what these entities are, these packages of genetic material.


Because I don’t think anybody who’s saying viruses don’t exist would say that there aren’t packages of genetic material because that would clearly be wrong because that’s exactly what the, the Liponenoparticles carrying the modified M RNA are.

They’re fat bubbles carrying genetic material.



I don’t like virus like particles.

There’s actually a thing called virus like particles.

So it’s like, that’s what I was saying about the terminology.

It’s like, anyway, what did you ask me?

I went on another.

No, no, that’s OK.


So one of the there were many conspiracy theories and and they’re actually now conspiracy reality.

So we were told that.

We were told that, yeah, we were told that.

It’s not genetic therapy, genetic therapy, that’s that’s woo woo conspiracy.


And actually it’s a proper vaccine.

We were told it’s not experimental.

Actually it is experimental.

We were told that the IT was M RNA messenger and it’s not modified RNA.

We were told that it’s going to stay just in the arm.


That’s bullshit.

It goes everywhere.

We were told that, you know, it would produce spike protein for a little bit, but actually we don’t know how long it.

Is producing for No one has done studies to show how long on average the spike proteins made for how long it’s the longest.

It they don’t tell us how much of the spike protein they make, what the variation is.


They don’t tell us about the maximum safe dosages like what level is it toxic.

They don’t tell us how you can stop the production of the spike protein and they don’t tell us if there’s an antidote to the spike protein and they don’t.

And they don’t tell us why they made the most dangerous part of the so-called virus and when they could have made something less.


You know, harmful.

Why make something that’s toxic and dangerous in the body?

And none of this made sense.

And they also said, you know, this RNA will degrade and it will just, it’s just theirs, it’s temporary and it will not incorporate into your DNA.

Now we know there is reverse transcriptase in your body so you can incorporate it into your DNA.


So that’s BS.

They were lying to us.

I mean and then the next thing we were worried about was DNA contamination from God knows what else.

And now that’s true.


When you talk about that, what is this DNA contamination of business all about?

What’s all this plasmid thing I’m reading?


And DNA and batch proteins and production problems.

Can you just, can you elaborate on that?

Yeah, yeah.

First of all, great, great story of the evolution of the uncovering of the lies.

And they were lies.


Now I’m serious.

That was really good.



This whole thing about reverse transcription, we don’t know if the byproducts that DNA is integrating, we don’t know that.

But that brings me to answer your question about the contamination with double stranded DNA, which is basically the the plasmids.


And I’ll explain that, but before I do that, there’s a guy named David Dean and I hope he doesn’t mind me talking about him here.

He’s um he’s he’s probably one of the people in the who’s best in the world at looking at nuclear targeting of of plasmids.


So he he’s from what I understand at least one of the things that he does is investigate the best ways to get stuff to nucleuses of cells okay.

But he, he, he’s quoted to have said clearly without translocation of plasma DNA into the nucleus, no gene expression or gene therapy can take place, right?



So what I would say to that is, well, since it’s recently been discovered and reproduced, this is the most important point because one person can say, ohh, I found DNA contamination in vials that I tested a Pfizer by valent product.



And that’s like, that’s like shit, but without reproducing it, it doesn’t really mean anything.

So point A is that Kevin Mckernan, who was the person who first discovered this, was like, here’s my protocol, reproduce this, Anybody, please reproduce this.


And the one of the people who did named Philip Buckholtz, who’s an oncologist, set out to disprove Kevin and ended up finding out that, oh shit, he’s right.

There is DNA in these files and there’s actually quite a bit of it.

So by definition, by definition, since there is DNA in these modified M RNA, COVID-19 injectable product files and these are gene therapies.


Now the question becomes, and it doesn’t matter if that wasn’t the intended design and I’m I’m still, you know, I’m I’m I’m vacillating between was this just a bunch of people doing really stupid shit or is this really malevolent because the design was modified mRNA, right?


There’s not supposed to be any DNA involvement here at all.

That was not the intended design.

So the way that this happened and this is the disturbing part about the process one and process two.

So there are two ways to make modified mRNA.


You can make it using or make it with PCR polymerase change reaction which is amplification of DNA or you can use an E coli system.

So the clinical trials that Pfizer did that had all those 40,000 people, the half of them were on the drug and half of them were on placebo that were eventually in blind injected.


But we won’t go there.

Those people were injected, primarily those one and two with modified mRNA products that were synthesized using PCR okay.

There’s no chance of the kind of contamination that we’re talking about occurring using process 2, the commercial products.


This is the stuff that went into all the billions of people were manufactured.

The modified MRN AM RNA was synthesized using a a system of plasmids, DNA plasmids and E coli.

So it’s a five step workflow that starts with your your DNA construct.


You synthesize your DNA in silico like you know this is your coding sequence.

You you insert that that DNA sequence segment, that little spike segment into this circular DNA plasmid with some antibiotic resistance genes and a promoter and origin of replication and all this stuff that is not my specialty.


And that vector, we call it a vector because you know an expression vector because it expresses a, you know this particular gene at some point.

So that gets moved into an E coli bacteria and because we we do this as part of protocol, it’s not a weird thing to do.


E coli double every 20 minutes or so.

They’re pretty harmless.

You can use them in like a DSL too.

Yeah, I think, I hope so.

And and you can grow them up, grow them up, grow them up.

And basically what that means is that you have tons and tons of DNA.


So it’s my point in describing this is that it’s a much more cost effective way to get a lot of DNA.

And when you have to make a lot of DNA to save the world with these experimental products, this is the way to do it.

Now the problem comes in at the last stage when you’re supposed to purify out your product or modified M RNA and you use something called the Dnas, which breaks up DNA and it removes the DNA.


So what you have at the end is a pure what’s supposed to be an M RNA product.

In this case, it’s supposed to be a pure modifying M RNA product.

So the way that the DNA got introduced into the system was by not being cleaned out at the end in a in a word.


And another problem with this is the potential for not having removed something called lipopolysaccharide, which is part and parcel with the E coli.

So lipopolysaccharide is or LPS is an endotoxin.

And we measure when we use this system, at the end of the process, we measure for endotoxin levels and DNA levels to make sure that they don’t surpass some kind of level, you know, ambivalent level.


Because if you inject Lps into a person, they can go into anaphylactic shock.

They probably will if it’s at a certain concentration or they’ll go into sepsis and they’ll die like a lot of bad things can happen.

So it turns out that in a lot of the vials that have been tested and we’re talking about Moderna and Pfizer, the monovalent and the bivalent are are full of CNA every single person.


This hasn’t been reproduced in at least three labs that I know about probably more.

It’s probably like there are much, much more prolific testing going on, but we just don’t know about it.

Not every vial, not not just like every single vial has had DNA in it.


So it begs the question, are all the vials that were manufactured using this technique, like, do they have some level of DNA contamination and the ones that have a lot of DNA contamination?


Because it’s gonna vary, of course, right?


What’s going to be the byproduct of injecting that repeatedly into a person?

If we’re talking about DNA, you have to start thinking about integration.


You have to start thinking about whether or not this ship can get to the nucleus.

And the problem is that one of the things that we that Kevin found in the expression vector that he sequenced was something called, well, he found two things he called the he he found the SV40 promoter.


SV40 is simian virus.

This is a virus and its promoter is very strong and it’s used in biotech and also something called an SV40 enhancer, which enhances the action of the promoter, which is to start transcription.

So enhancers don’t need to be used.


They’re added intentionally to enhance transcription and to keep it on going.

The reason I’m mentioning this is because the expression vector that was disclosed by Pfizer in one of their documents does not contain any of these these component parts.


They disclose the T7 promoter which is good for for prokaryotic use.

This is commonly used and an antibiotic resistance gene for cannamycin I think.

And in the plasmid vector that Kevin sequenced, he found the SV40 promoter, the SV40 enhancer, the CAN gene and a another antibiotic resistance gene, neomycin, I think, don’t quote me on that.


So question one, however you want to do one, why were these things not disclosed?

It really, really looks like they were hiding it.

And that makes me very, very upset because the impact is real it it’s potentially real if you have integration events.


Oh, I’m for I forgot to tell everyone the SV40 enhancer is a nuclear location signal which or or sequence which means that it it’s job.

And David Dean, the guy I quoted earlier, he’s actually like found out that SV40 if you if you want to hire a cab to get to a location fastest and your location is the nucleus and your cab is SV40, the SV40 enhancer is the fastest way to get something to the nucleus.


Let me read you something.

Let’s see if I can find it.

Oh yeah, he’s quoted to have said and this is the the specialist in this we have demonstrated the portions of the the 72 base pair SP40 enhancer.


Our portions are required for the nuclear entry of plasma DNA and all eukaryotic cells.

That’s us.

Plasmids not containing the sequence remain in the cytoplasm until cell division, whereas plasmids containing the enhancer migrate to the nucleus within several hours.


So we’re not just talking about a possibility, this is rapid migration to the to the nucleus, and I’m not even telling you the whole story.

There’s a sequence in the spike protein that is also doing this.

So once the spike protein gets translated in the cytoplasm, it has a little thing that can grab onto DNA and bring it to the nucleus.


That’s that’s the idea anyway.

So all I’m saying is that there are possibilities.

There are actually 5 being discussed right now by some experts that this stuff can get to the nucleus, this foreign DNA so.

Can I interject?


Can I interject quickly so?

I don’t think the original study.

I looked back and I think there’s a Canadian group that was looking at the original Pfizer study and they broke it down.

It was totally flawed how the control group was.


There’s actually in in that show, sorry, in the in the treatment group there are people dying and they were they weren’t mentioned and the the, the, the relative risk reduction was ridiculous.

If you looked at the absolute risk reduction, it was negligible.


So even with that, even with that purified way of manufacturing, it was bullshit product.

The product didn’t really work and it was flawed, studied and it was it was engineered in such a way to push an agenda safe and effective.

But actually it was a flawed study fundamentally and the product is not good but that’s that’s by the by right and that’s what they use to get through the regulated bodies.


It’s not by the by actually I think that’s the crux of the thing.

I think that it wasn’t designed to work in the way that it was being it was being said that it would work.

I think that the whole reason for doing this was to normalize this platform.



Because pretty soon all you’re gonna hear is that every single quote UN quote vaccine product is this type of modified M RNA and and and the terrifying thing about that is it’s it’s it’s not been proven safe in fact 100% there it’s really not safe so.


No, no.

What I’m saying is it’s one shit show on top of another.

So what I mean by the Bible eye is that the first study was shit.

The first study was crap.

It didn’t show it was effective.

There were no proper animal studies done.

I mean putting stuff down in the chimpanzee and then measuring antibodies and killing it.


There was number, real toxicology, distribution, all the stuff that I’ve just talked about, the manufacturing, the protein, how much had all that.

None of that was done.

It was rushed.

I’ve had Headley Reese on about supply chain management, how things are, how long they take to make it takes 12 to 15 years.


So there was no way they could push this at warp speed without cutting at significant safety measures.

So they bring out a product that is shit.

But I’m just saying.

The way they manufactured it, they said, you know, this is the way we did it and that they went to the regulators.


But they then took that really shit product and then they produced it on a second even shit your way using E coli, which is the shit bug.

And and then they didn’t tell the regulatory bodies.

They didn’t tell us.


The population, by the way, the drug you’re now having, the product you’re now having.

Isn’t actually the one that we used in the original crappy study.

It’s not the one we passed through the regulatory body, it’s it’s actually fundamentally being changed quite a lot.

There’s all these contaminants and whatnot and they they haven’t informed us.


No one’s been consented properly that this is actually what’s in your shot.

And all those conspiracy theories, they were right.

They were right.

And and it’s all all this DNA and all this garbage inside you, and we don’t know what what it’s doing to you.

But yeah, maybe This is why you’ve got one in one in 800 adverse effects.


You know, one thing I want to quickly ask you, you said a promoter gene SV40, I’ve heard of this Simeon vector 40 whatever, Simeon virus 40.

Could that be something that’s driving and the Turbo cancers with the immune depression being immune exhaustion and then you get this over expression type thing, you’re forcing cells to multiply.


I mean, could that be anything related to that?

Or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

No, I I think it could be and and I want to disclaim.

I’m not an oncologist, I’m not a geneticist.

But from what I understand from people who are if there is translocation to the nucleus of this S, first of all, if the SV40 promoter is present.


If if it gets into the right form and translocates to the nucleus and and somehow gets inserted into a a place in the genome.

Like say it gets upstream of an uncle gene which is like a bad gene that promotes cancer growth.


Or if it if it if it gets inside another gene like a really important gene like one that’s in charge of tumor suppression for example, that all sorts of really bad stuff can happen with regard to cancer, which is basically just faulty proliferation or over proliferation cells or cells forget or or somehow the the cell doesn’t get the signal to a pop toes to to die.


If something goes wrong with the DNA, like say the DNA gets damaged and it can’t get repaired.

Say we have impaired double stranded DNA repair mechanisms which has also been reported.

Then another mechanism gets impaired that says that that doesn’t tell that cell to die.


And that cell just like that’s all of these things, they’re known like this.

These are based these these predictions or or hypothesis are based on what we already know.


One of the things that we’re doing now as a team of scientists and doctors is combining our expertises and like one person might know of course that’s how it works.

Another person might be like no no you’re not getting that right.

Like I have a geneticist friend who I’m going to talk to later who I need to confirm some things about what’s being said about what could possibly happen with regard to integration.


Because A I don’t want to be saying the wrong thing and BI mean if if this is true, if these hypothesis turn out to be testable theories and turn out to be correct, this is horrific.

I mean certainly explain why we’re seeing these so-called turbo Cancers.


Now having said that, there are also other factors at play here.

Look, look, it’s like God is shining a light on me all of a sudden.


You look great.

You look great.


That’s sweet.


So do you.

As you mentioned, they picked the spike protein, which is like, I don’t think they did any such thing as pick the spike protein.

From what I’ve studied and I’ve looked at this up upside down and sideways, this was certainly crafted and it’s it’s got component parts that are highly suspicious.


And I’m not just talking about the furin cleavage site.

Within the furin cleavage site is this nuclear location sequence.

So it’s like huh?

And there’s also a super antigen site according to another publication and that’s like, huh?

And then there’s amyloidogenic peptides which are potentially within this thing, which means that if they get translated into proteins, they can cause amyloidosis or amyloidogenic effects.


So it’s like HM, so I’m not so sure it was, I mean I’ve been, I’ve been known to say that I think that the whole SARS thing was the precursor to get this thing on the market because again like I just said, I think that was the end game.


I think the the normalization of this platform is the goal 100% and and so it’s like I this is a a really important point.

Well first of all before I even say that if you have a respiratory virus injecting into the muscle is stupid because you’re not stimulating Iga.


Second of all, any foreign protein that you envelope in a lipid nanoparticle is going to be back because you will be building that foreign protein in your host cells.

And every single host cell that gets transfected.

Which means where that stuff is incorporated and that translation is occurring, will they have these specific things called MHC molecules that will mount They’re like little flags on the surface of the cell and that’s the signal to the mediators of the immune response like cytotoxic T lymphocytes T cells to come and say, OK, you’re you’re you’re doomed to death now and that pathogen is is removed or that foreign protein is removed because the cell dies.


Imagine every single transfected cell in a small area of a blood vessel gets destroyed.

Think about what’s going to happen to the clotting pathway.

Think about what’s going to happen with clotting in general.

Think about what’s going to happen with accumulation of immune mediators about it.


It’s it makes so much sense that injecting a foreign protein or I’m sorry, the coding material for a foreign protein into a human body in an already toxic lipid nanoparticles are really dumb idea.

So this isn’t about the spike protein.


This is about the whole thing.

The whole thing is stupid and everybody really needs to understand why I I don’t say things like this if I don’t think it’s really founded.

I think this is the stupidest idea that we’ve come up with ever.


Technologically, it’s dangerous.

Yeah, I mean, people have got Nobel prizes, medical prizes for this.

Yeah, this little Uranine people, and I didn’t even talk about that.

They’re the ones who got the Nobel pro like $1,000,000.


I know.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

I know.

But listen, Jessica, I’m gonna have to wrap up soon.

I can’t believe I’ve been speaking for an hour and a half.

I think I’m gonna have to have you back.



I’m gonna have to have you back.

Is that OK?

Can you come back one day?

Of course.


I’m still here.

OK, so this is ah, we didn’t cover like a 10th of what we wanted to talk about.

But anyway, it’s fine, it’s fine, it’s fine.

I mean, I think we’ve got it.

I think you and I are on the same page.

I think the whole thing is has been engineered back to front.


They wanted to get this platform normalized, used for every vaccine, used for drugs, used for everything.

It’s the It’s the new best thing they want to do.

And the way they wanted to get this app was to then engineer a crisis where they could just sell it to us.


And it’s so flawed, so fucked up, so fracked up, you can’t even make it up.

And actually, what’s insane is Jessica, you and I just saying this, I get labeled conspiratorial and a quack and dangerous and spreading misinformation.

And the people who push this, who push this nefarious, nasty agenda, who profit from this?


Flawed technology who are themselves the real quacks, the real criminals.

They get gongs, knighthoods, medals and Nobel prizes.

I mean, you could not make it up.

I mean, we’re an inverted clan world Anyway.

Listen, my last question.


Imagine you’re on your deathbed.

Don’t worry, it’s not.

Not soon.

You’re about 148.

You’ve just you’ve been surfing in the morning.

But now God has told you it’s time to meet him.

Up there so you know you’re going to go to your deathbed and you’re surrounded by your family and your great grandchildren, the whole Shabam.

What words of wisdom and advice would you impart in them, health or otherwise, before you pass on?


Get me a cigarette.

I’m about to die and go away.

They don’t understand.

It’s who I am, what I gave up smoking a long time ago and it’s like, I’m gonna die anyway, so I might as well pick it up, right?


Jessica, I’ve had a blast.

I wish.

I wish you could be.

I wish you could be here in this studio.

I’ll give you a big hug.

And listen, it’s been reading.

I’ve never been to Scotland, so one day I’m I’m promising I’ll come.

Apparently there are sick waves there too.


I’ve moved, I’ve moved back in 2001 down South.

I’m just outside London in the countryside.

I will come to the countryside and I will speak properly.

You can come and visit my little Hobbit cottage.

You can.

That sounds marvelous.


I am looking very forward to sipping tea with my finger in the air.

And you can see my little chickens as well.

We’ve got little chickens.

But no, I mean, I mean that Efra, efrat Fenikson was here.

He came and visited me.


That was nice.

Wow, that’s so nice.

Yeah, she’s a warrior Princess.

I love her.

She’s my sister.

I love her.

She’s amazing.

She’s a good.

Yeah, we just like not long ago in in Bath actually we were in the British countryside and so yeah, we we’re, we’re always chit chatting.


Yeah, she’s great.

She’s she’s got cojones, which I really appreciate, especially women.

We we need warrior women and warrior men.

We need tough men and women in this day and age.

And there’s a severe there’s a severe lack of them around.


But anyway, thank you so, so much for your time.

I really appreciate it.

And sorry about all the techno technological problems we had starting off and sorry for canceling last time.

I was just really down.

I’m up now.

I’m positive you know nothing.

My circumstances haven’t changed, but.


I just feel like maybe this is my phoenix moment.

Maybe this is just part of my rebirth and everything happens for a reason.

And you know, if someone said to me you could go back in time a year ago and you know, would you change anything, stop tweeting and not do the podcast and don’t go on social media, I would say no.


I would still have done the exact same thing all over again.

Because once you see, you cannot Unsee and you do not want to live a lie.

Yeah, that’s yeah.

You’re not doing anything wrong.

You’re not doing anything illegal.

You’re you’re just talking.


And it’s like that’s the whole point.

It’s they’re trying to make illegal the ability to talk freely about whatever the hell we want.

And yeah, if you’re not going to oppose, then my.

Yeah, my take on free speech is everyone should be entitled to say whatever they want.


And no matter how offensive, I don’t care.

I’ll defend your right to free speech, even if I find it offensive.

You just, you know, if you’re the if you’re the minority and get upset, boohoo, switch off, go away.

If you’re the majority that doesn’t like what’s being heard, boohoo, switch off.

Every individual should not be at the mercy of the minority or the majority.


Every individual should be free, free to say what they want, free to do what they want, as long as it doesn’t harm in or affect anyone else.

The problem is, I think a lot of people have now translated the idea of harm.

Into, you know, this idea of physical harm into you hurt my feelings.

And hurting my feelings is just as equal to, you know, putting a gun and bullet in your head.


And actually, it’s not the same.

You know, get over it.

If you don’t like what you’re hearing, start up, switch off, change the channel, go dye your hair purple.

And you know what?

Go dance somewhere.

But you know what?

Just don’t listen to my podcast.

If you find it offensive, get away from here.


You know it’s like what is the problem here?

But there’s a lot of sensitive, delicate souls we’ve always had, and we still do have an ability to decide for ourselves, like what’s what’s good to listen to, what’s not, what’s expanding our knowledge base and and all that stuff.


And it’s like this assumption from the from, from the Uber Lords, whatever they are, that we we need to be taken care of and then we can’t decide for ourselves what’s dangerous.

This is the thing that I really like.

Come on, we’re grown-ups.


Stop treating us like imbecilic children, Please.

So that that’s another thing like that.

I think it’s really obvious.

It’s like we’ve always been able to decide as adults for ourselves, like what?

What we can.

We can turn that TV off.

Exactly what you just said, you know what I mean?


And if you choose to keep watching, you know, I also believe that I will defend anyone’s right to say whatever they want.

And if someone is saying something that I personally don’t want to hear, and we’ll listen.

That’s it.

That’s the end of it.

Simple as that.


Everyone listening.

Like please press the follow button, tell all your friends this is where to listen to all their podcasts, switch off from legacy media because it’s just making you dumb as shit.

And follow Jessica.

You’ll see all their details on my website.

Support me.


You can buy me a coffee.

You can.

Although I’ve actually just stopped drinking coffee, but no still buying coffee.

And buy me a coffee anyway and and subscribe to my sub stack.

Hardly any of you like God damn it.

Like there’s 30,000 of you listening every week and there’s only 1300 subscribers and 200 of your paid to stop being tight.


And I’m talking about the British people because, you know, funnily enough, Jessica, the Americans, New Zealands and Canadians.

And Australians, they all chip up.

They’re like the the biggest subscribers.

But British people are tight ads.

They just want to have everything is for free but listen and can we can we end this with the cloud Schwab song Please 15 minute city Dong Dong.


Dong. 15 minutes city go close to home. 15 minutes city Dong, Dong.