X Dr Swaranjit Singh X

Ahmad (00:01.278)
Thanks mate. So yeah, Swarnjit, you look amazing. You just keep sipping your coffee. I know it’s early in the morning in California, but I just want to make a little shout out first of all to some of my supporters. So in the last couple of weeks, I’ve had the following people subscribe to me. If I’ve missed anyone, I’m sorry. Geraldine, thank you so much. Azad, I loved your message and thank you for supporting me. Adam Smith, there’s a million Adam Smiths, so I don’t mind saying your surname. Thanks brother.

Allie, Allie as in like a Allison, Allie M. Thank you again for supporting me. Alex in Berlin. Dude, I’ll try and slow down on the podcast, but I don’t know if I can promise on that one. Paddy Bane, Buster, thanks for your messaging and your support. Much love. Beata in Ontario. God bless you. And thank you so much. And Claire from Australia.

Ahmad (01:00.738)
depending on you all for your support, for me to carry on with my podcast. So to all of my subscribers, I just wanna say I love you so much. You rock. And everyone else, I still love you too, even though you’re tight, it’s fine. Anyway, Swaran Jit, God bless you. Listen, I love you, man. You’re my brother. We met, I think, through Twitter, X, whatever you wanna call it. There’s a space.

And yeah, we touched base, we got numbers, we had a couple of chats. And I just feel like I’ve known you for a lot longer than just a few months. I feel like we’ve got a lot in common. So Swarnjic, before we start, I’m gonna do something unusual. Can you just like introduce yourself like to my listeners, like who are you, where are you, and what are you up to?

Swaranjit Bhasin (01:54.382)
Yeah, definitely. I’m really happy to be on your podcast. I’ve been following your work for some time and it was great. I think we did the first Twitter spaces that you had and it was really, I mean, I was amazed at the amount of people there. So you got to do more Twitter spaces is my recommendation. So, you know, I’m a radiologist out here on the West coast in the US.

Ahmad (02:13.966)
Okay, I will.

Swaranjit Bhasin (02:22.094)
Radiologists, you know, some people might not know what we do. We’re physicians in the background. We read all the CT, MRI, ultrasound, x-rays. You know, you might go to your doctor and get an examination done and your doctor might say, hey, I saw this, but hey, it’s the radiologist that’s doing all the reading in the background. And a little bit, you know, born in India.

I grew up on the West Coast, went to school in the Midwest here. I’ve been practicing same place for about 15 years now. And you know, seeing, just sitting in the background, seeing diseases over the years, just getting worse and worse over time. And I’m seeing, I think the two biggest things that really bothered me while I was, throughout my career.

is just seeing cancers in young patients. That really gets to me when I have to diagnose breast cancer in someone in their 20s and 30s and then rectal cancer. I’m staging rectal cancer in patients in their 20s and 30s. These are the you know this is one thing that really gets to me. The other thing that gets to me is non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.

Ahmad (03:22.777)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (03:43.27)
So as a radiologist, I can see inside you, I can see what’s going on with the different organs. And one of the organs that is really, really shocking to what I see, and I see it way too frequently, is fatty deposit in the liver. We can pick that up on ultrasound and CT scans. And over the years that I’ve been practicing, it’s just steady progression of this.

And this is where I’ve been just sitting in the background, watching this stuff and wondering why, why are we not able to make any headwind? And this is where I had to learn myself, you know, stuff that I should have been taught in med school. I had to teach myself. Yeah, in 2022, nutrition, diet. Why, why is our food system so corrupt?

And this is where I really did a deep dive in 2022. And I’ve come up with a very simple approach. And I think I’m in healthcare marketing now. I’m in healthcare marketing, how to clear the message that big food gives out. So I think healthcare is fighting the big food narrative.

Big food marketing machine has a lot of power behind it and they’re winning. They’re winning, the numbers show it. And I can share some of the numbers if you’d like. And this is where healthcare marketing.

Ahmad (05:16.758)
Yeah, yeah. Before you do that, let’s just wind back a bit. Let’s wind back a bit. So basically, with the cancers, I’m with you, brother, because when I was going for med school, I was given the statistic. I remember sitting in the lecture theater, and the lecturer, you know, very, and kind of like almost took pleasure in it and said, look around you, one in five of you will have cancer in your lifetime.

And we all looked around thinking, oh my God. And I could tell the lecture was having a bit of pleasure giving this bit of fact and looking at us all squirm around. That number is now one in two. And it’s like, hold up, hold up. In 25 years, we’ve gone from 20% of people are gonna get cancer to half of the population. And that boggles my mind, because I think of all the billions and trillions are spent on cancer research and the industry of

cancer research, the charities, the labs and everything. Well, God damn it, that’s really poor return for money because it looks like all they’ve done is made it worse, not better. So, you know, that made me wonder like, what is driving the cancer? And then the next thing, and I think it’s related, is the fatty liver. Liver, the liver is this factory in your body that breaks down and processes all the food that you’re getting.

turns it into energy, turns it into proteins, turns it into things that the body can use elsewhere. And having it replaced with fat isn’t normal. Why is the body storing all this fat in the liver? And it’s funny, I had a fatty liver. I was diagnosed with, because I had deranged blood tests, LFTs. And when I went and got an ultrasound scan, I was like, what can you see? And the guy went, oh, don’t worry, there’s no tumor. It’s just fatty liver. Unlike you, my radiologist,

was very flippant about it. He was like, yeah, it’s just fatty liver. And I was like, what does that mean? He was like, oh, like you just need to lose a bit of weight. Then I went and got some blood tests. It turned out it was diabetic. And I went to see the diabetologist who’s busy munching a donut and overweight himself. I said, dude, what do I do? He goes, oh, you need to start on this medication. And I was like, anything else? Yeah, avoid fats, you know, low fat. And that I think was my wake up call.

Ahmad (07:41.058)
that these guys didn’t have a fricking clue. And like you said, all the stuff that I should have learned in med school, I didn’t. And I had to learn it myself. So it’s interesting, you’re sitting in this black room, dark room, seeing the scans reporting, you’ve seen over a decade and plus, increasing numbers of fatty liver and these tumors in young people. Now, what do you think is driving it? You think it’s the food? You talked about big food. What particular about the food is making us sick?

Swaranjit Bhasin (08:13.678)
So I’m a big Elon Musk fan, you know, and this is where his thinking of, you know, taking things from first principles, getting to the root cause. So this is, you know, through my journey in 2022, my quest was to get to the root cause. What is the root cause of all these different diseases? What links cancers in young patients

fatty liver disease, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, dementia. What is the core thing? The core thing that we’re not doing a good job in healthcare is calling out insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is the root cause that we need to tackle.

Swaranjit Bhasin (09:12.322)
and one in 10 kids have that in the US. And there’s no medication that you can utilize to treat this. But when you do try to reverse the insulin resistant and treat fatty liver disease, guess what? The side effects of that is you’re gonna reverse heart disease.

Ahmad (09:15.682)
Wow.

Swaranjit Bhasin (09:34.422)
you’re gonna reverse if you’re like you just said you were uh pre-diabetic so you will reverse that uh you will prevent cancers uh in the future this is the way we know how to prevent cancer we just need to get the word out uh that this is the way to do it is to reverse the incident resistance and this is where

My healthcare marketing is very, very simple. I just advocate for three simple steps I can tell you right now within like a couple of minutes. And then you can go and tell your family and friends. And this is key. Number one is to avoid seed and vegetable oils. Very, very toxic. The information is starting to get out there.

I’ve seen some fast food chains that are actually advertising that they are seed oil free in the US. So this is where the consumer are starting to demand this. And we need to do more of this. Get the word out. And this is where when I sit down and talk to my patients, I don’t see too many patients. The ones that I see are, you know, in between, we’re the ones that read the mammograms.

If we see something on a mammogram, we’ll call the patient back and we’ll work it up and make sure there’s nothing in there. Most of the time it’s nothing and we usually tell them, everything is fine, come back in one year for your screening. And then when I sit down with them, now I’m telling them these three steps. I’m telling them, you’re gonna come back in one year for your next screening, but in between now and then I’m gonna empower you.

for cancer prevention by these three steps. And at the same time, you’re gonna have all these other side effects of, if you have pre-diabetes, type two diabetes, you’re gonna reverse those, your meds might start going down, you will lose weight, sorry to say. You know, this is a side effect. And this is where I tell them, a large fries at any fast food chain, the toxins are equivalent to 28 cigarettes. This is…

Ahmad (11:45.282)
Wow.

Swaranjit Bhasin (11:48.326)
This is toxicologist. They’re screaming at the top of their lungs. MDs have our separate meetings. Toxicologists have their own meetings. We’re not communicating with each other. We need to listen to the toxicologist. This is what they’re telling us. This is how toxic this stuff is. And I usually recommend, go onto YouTube, just put in how is canola oil made, and you’ll watch a five minute video and.

If you watch the video you’ll know why this stuff is so bad and 28 cigarettes. And then this is where we need to give healthy alternatives to our patients. So I give them like a simple six fats that they can use. Olive oil, avocado oil, butter, clarified butter, which is ghee, coconut oil, and beef tallow.

Ahmad (12:19.419)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (12:38.398)
These are just some of the simple six that I advocate for. There’s many other healthier fats. So that’s the first step. Second step, low carbs and high healthy fats. This is where if you see the insulin response to carbs, really huge peak. If we’re trying to get to the root cause of insulin resistance, we need to stop having those big peaks throughout the day.

So this is where carbs and sugars is the problem. We need to vilify sugars in healthcare. We need to call it out. We’re not doing a good job. Sugar is getting a pass. It should not get a pass. Soda and juice, they have to go. They have to go. I see kids as young as 10 with fatty liver disease. And this is where the soda and French fries, they’re killing our kids’ livers.

Ahmad (13:08.739)
Mm.

Ahmad (13:17.454)
Mmm.

Ahmad (13:33.866)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (13:33.902)
So we really need to stop. And this is where very simple message, increase the protein and your healthy fats. It’s almost like a flat line on your insulin response with the fats. So we need to unvilify the healthy fats in healthcare. So we need to do a better job there. And then when I, you know, this is an easy way. When you go to the grocery store, stick to the periphery. That’s where all the real food is, single ingredient, fruits, vegetables, meat, dairy, but the stuff in the middle.

Now I tell my patients that everyone understands 90 to 95 percent are addictive substances. So this is where healthcare we’re fighting an addiction model to food. So I tell anyone I talk to next time you step into the aisle just remember me. Just tapping you on your shoulder. Hey be careful put your guard up right and then the last step is intermittent fasting.

Ahmad (14:24.171)
Mm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (14:34.606)
very, very powerful. We should be writing more prescriptions for this in healthcare, and we’re not doing a good job. Eat less, move more. It just does not work. And we’ve been just saying the same stuff that the industry wants us to follow, but we need to break that. And this is where the six small meals a day are not healthy.

Ahmad (14:43.023)
Amen.

Swaranjit Bhasin (15:01.634)
And this is where I was under the same impression. I used to do the same thing a couple of years before in 2021 and before. I used to take maybe a little bit here. You know, I used to go to the break room in radiology department. Hey, there’s donuts there. I’m not gonna have the full donut. I’m only having a quarter. Look at that, just a quarter. I should be okay, right? But this is where just insulin spikes throughout the day.

Ahmad (15:05.688)
Mm. Yeah, me too.

Swaranjit Bhasin (15:28.502)
is the problem. This is causing insulin resistance. So we need to call out the snacking. When we bring food to our break rooms, we think we’re helping our colleagues. We’re actually harming them. I’ve started when I see stuff in the break room now, I throw it out and I’ve been known, you know, it’s the word spreading that, hey, Dr. Basin will throw out snacks or don’t bring the unhealthy stuff. So we…

Ahmad (15:32.416)
Mm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (15:56.346)
We should be setting the standard in healthcare and we’re not doing a good job, but we’re starting in the place where I practice. And this is where two good meals in an eight hour window is what most adults need. And this is what healthcare marketing should be. Yeah. I know you yourself eat one meal a day, so that’s healthy.

Ahmad (16:12.106)
It’s more than enough.

Swaranjit Bhasin (16:21.478)
But this is where we’ve been programmed that if we skip a meal or if we skip a snack, I think the big food marketing machine has really ingrained it into us that we’re going to we’re going to faint. We’re going to we’re going to fall down if we don’t have soda in between. We’re just going to. So this is where.

Ahmad (16:36.43)
Absolutely. How many TV, how many TV ads and programs you hear like the Diet Coke break and the Kit Kat break and you know, let’s have a break and let’s have a coffee and let’s have a biscuit, let’s have some chips and crisps and God knows what else. 100%, you know, Swarunja, I agree with you. But listen, you’ve mentioned a few times, you know, this insulin resistance. What do you, what do you mean by insulin resistance? What do you understand by that?

Swaranjit Bhasin (17:07.91)
So basically what we’re doing is with the diet of ultra processed foods, Americans are eating up to 70% of our calories from ultra processed foods filled with these vegetable oils and sugars. So when we eat frequent snacks throughout the day, we’re stimulating our pancreas to secrete insulin. So we have actually increased levels of insulin throughout the body.

And what’s happening is our cells are getting desensitized to the insulin itself. And that’s what it is. Insulin resistance is equivalent to hyperinsulinemia. So what should we be doing to fix this? We need to stop the stimulation of the insulin. And this is where healthcare, we’re not doing a good job. We should not be telling our pre-diabetics

or diabetics to here you go, let’s give you some more insulin to keep your blood glucose level in check. We should be dropping the insulin level. So our approach has to change. I think we need a paradigm shift in healthcare. Type two diabetes is reversible.

prediabetes is reversible. We need to reverse these things. And I’m glad to see we’re getting organizations that are actively promoting type two diabetes reversal in the US.

So we’re starting to come around to that fact and you can easily do that with the low carb. It’s been shown, even the American Diabetes Association says you can reverse type two diabetes with low carb or very low carb diets. So again, this is where the insulin resistance is the root cause. And that’s where we really need to, the paradigm needs to shift.

Swaranjit Bhasin (19:11.598)
in order to make a difference. And this is where in one of my piece of jeans, I’ve shown like the US map, the diabetes and obesity. It’s a color map showing from 2020 up to 2020. And it’s just, the color is just getting worse and worse. So it shows that we’re not doing something right in healthcare.

Ahmad (19:11.931)
I agree with you.

I agree, I agree.

Swaranjit Bhasin (19:37.198)
to reverse the epidemic. And this is the thing, we’re not getting to the root cause, we’re putting band-aid on the symptoms of insulin resistance.

Ahmad (19:47.522)
So there’s a few things there, Svaranjit. So I think you’re right. I think the whole paradigm is right now back to front. So there’s an obsession with glucose levels and people measure the glucose and they wanna get the glucose down. But actually that’s not really the main thing we need to be looking at. We need to be looking at the insulin levels. We need to make sure that the insulin in the first place isn’t being spiked, isn’t persistently high.

and that you don’t have this resistance so that when you have a little bit of insulin, the cells are sensitive to it and respond to it. It’s like everything. If you do too much of something, you just get desensitized. You just want a little bit of everything. So we need to get those insulin levels down. And that’s very simple. We need to stop eating as much and we need to stop eating all this food with sugar. In particular, glucose, corn syrup, inverted syrup, fructose. Fructose is even worse.

And all these things, fructose is made in all this inverted circle from corn, and corn is made all over the place, fields and fields of it is cheap. So the farmers wanna sell the corn, the big food manufacturers wanna use it for something, and guess what? Sugar is addictive, it’s like crack cane, literally. I only found out recently this week from a vet, do you know they put caramel in dog food and cat food?

so that the animals, the pets are addicted to the food. I mean, it’s obvious now when I think about it, but I just could not believe they’re actually doing that to the animal feed as well. And so what we need to do is, like you said, strip back and I even go, for the people who are diabetic and pre-diabetic, I wouldn’t even say low carb. I would just go straight to a keto carnivore diet, get the reset, get your fatty liver reversed, get your insulin levels down.

And then when you’re doing the fasting, and I think an eight hour window’s too long, personally. I think if you want the medicinal benefits, the health benefits, and the reversal of obesity, you need to go tighter, so at least get down to four to six hours. And actually once a week, a big long fast, a 24, 26 hour fast, that kicks in autophagy as well, it cleans up all your cancer cells.

Ahmad (22:04.546)
And that really, for some reason, really helps with the weight loss. You don’t need to do the 24, 26 hours every day, but once a week, I find that’s quite helpful. Um, you know, just moving back, let’s talk about doctors, my friend. Okay. You talk about, you know, we’re not doing a very good job. I don’t think we are. I think I look around me and I don’t know about your age, you know, I’m 48. Most of my peers are very overweight. They’ve got a nice big dad bod, big belly sticking out. Um, and they’re letting themselves go and it’s

society has made it almost acceptable that that’s what dads look like. Dads are not meant to be ripped and shredded and have six-packs. They’re meant to look, you know, doughy. And I think that’s wrong. And doctors, instead of being examples, instead of examples, doctors are very much doughy. They’ve got their donuts and their snacks. And I think part of it is lack of education. Like you said, you and I, you know, we both didn’t learn this in med school.

But the reality is when we went to med school, they knew this information. This isn’t new. And I feel like, unfortunately, we’ve got the tentacles of big pharma and big food have already infiltrated our medical schools and are simply indoctrinating us so that we don’t know any better. We are actually brainwashed ourselves into thinking low fat. Low fat yogurt. Don’t use butter. Have this spray on.

margarine or vegetable oil that you guys have this fake butter and fake this. So I think the problem is we as doctors actually don’t know any better. You know, what do you think of that?

Swaranjit Bhasin (23:43.63)
Yeah, I think from the beginning, we were not trained the right way. And the way we’re trained, I think doctors are in the big food and big pharma cycle, you know, we’re really, really going along with the process. And I would tell you, I was in the same boat myself, you know, I was eating the six small meals. I was fine with the sugars and I always, I was never like really overweight, but I always had a little belly.

You know, I could tell there was some visceral fat. You know, my kids would say, hey, you do all this workout and all these sit-ups and you never, where’s your six pack? But this is where when I started to do the, you know, lowering my carbs and then doing the fasting over the last six to, I’ve probably been doing it for about a year now. I’ve lost about 10 to 12 pounds and it all went away from the.

the visceral fat, you know, I could tell the belly really went away. Some of my colleagues, the cheeks look, you know, from my badge, they, they can tell I’ve lost weight and, uh, but this is where we need to learn ourselves. Uh, once we learn this ourselves, um, starting to educate my colleagues. And this is where I’ve done, um, CME, uh, at my own, uh,

Ahmad (24:45.654)
Well done.

Swaranjit Bhasin (25:10.234)
medical facility and I’ve also done it at four other medical facilities and I think when the doctors hear about the three simple steps it actually really helps them you know they’re really receptive to it they are using canola at home thinking it’s heart healthy there it’s got the label it’s got the heart healthy label on it must be good for us right Mazola has heart healthy

Ahmad (25:33.526)
Yeah. Wow.

Swaranjit Bhasin (25:36.246)
Cheerios has heart health, all these cereals have heart health, but this is where we need to really, I think as doctors, we need to understand the incentives better. We need to understand the money. Why are we getting all these messages here? And then you talked about the commercials on TV, the big food. In the US, we have pharma commercials. So every other, I mean,

Ahmad (25:38.929)
Oh my god.

Swaranjit Bhasin (26:02.85)
I was surprised I don’t watch too much regular TV. I usually forward through my DVR, but the commercials that you see here, one big food commercial, then there’s a pharma commercial, then a big food, then big pharma. It’s like we’re being trained sitting in front of the TV to really stay in the system. And true healthcare, true healthcare will break the cycle of big food and big pharma. That’s what we need to do.

Ahmad (26:20.396)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (26:32.814)
We need to start reversing diseases. The US spends 4.6 trillion in healthcare every year. It’s unsustainable. We’re actually gonna bankrupt ourselves as a nation if we don’t start reversing disease. The big food will make off really well. And big farm will.

Ahmad (26:52.982)
Yeah, and what have you guys got to show for it? Like, you’ve got massive obesity. You know, I keep saying it, but I went through, you know, a couple of airports, Florida and Dallas, and, you know, was in Texas this summer on a conference. I was shocked. I would say 80% of people were overweight and half were obese. And just finding someone who was normal, healthy, trim was like unusual. But…

going for the airport, you know, it was one fast food joint after another, selling just combinations of the seed oils and the glucose carbohydrates, just in different formulations. And it’s amazing, you have to give it to them. It’s amazing how these just simple ingredients, you know, carbohydrates, sugars, and the seed oils with a little bit of salt and food enhancers, they can make into so many different combinations of food, from tortilla wraps to…

pizzas and God knows what else. And it’s hyper palatable, very addictive, very, very bad for you. But you know, like you said, this high health budget has very poor return for its money and I don’t see it being so sustainable. I’m not sure about the healthcare thing. I think what we need to be doing is prevention. We need really good public health. We need to, you know, I’m teaching my four year old so I don’t get.

about all of this. He knows meat is good, fat’s good, C-dolls are bad, sugars are bad. He gets it. He’s four. You know, we don’t need to be doctor to be educated in this. We don’t need to go to med school. You can literally teach kindergarten kids these basic things. So it’s three things you mentioned. You can teach your four year old kid. Okay? And I think the problem is the government is deliberately not doing that. Our education system is not doing that because we’ve got this parasitical relationship. You know, we’re big food.

makes us sick, big pharma, profits from our sickness. And the government is quite happy for the population to be sick because they’re dependent, they’re indebted, they’re struggling, they’re compliant. They don’t wanna fit healthy population that’s questioning what the politicians are getting up to. And they’re getting paid, they’re getting paid by these lobbyists, big food and big pharma. So, you get same, you get same, same.

Ahmad (29:14.658)
where nothing really changes and the population gets sick. That’s why we need to get the message out to all those listeners that, you know what? Turn your life around, break free from this cycle of sickness and become fit and healthy because the fittest, healthiest version of yourself is the ultimate expression of freedom. Anyway, that’s what I think. What do you think?

Swaranjit Bhasin (29:39.098)
Yeah, definitely. You’re getting the message out. I’m starting to get the message out. I’m joining the team. And this is where we really need to say, and this is where something disturbing that I’ve learned is in healthcare, we have a push. I’ve always seen, I think probably maybe for the last three, four years, I’ve noticed a really increased tick of.

push for whole food plant-based diet in healthcare. And I’ve been like, you know, wondering, you know, I even thought about trying, you know, they do these six week programs to do just whole food plant-based. They’ll support you in the whole journey. It’s the doctors are enthusiastic and they’re like, oh, come on, let’s do it. You know, we’re very, very into it. And I never really joined the program though. You know, I’m like, hey, you know, this is not for me.

Ahmad (30:11.696)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (30:38.302)
But the more, you know, over time it’s just been signals getting more and more whole food plant based whole food plant. And then now we’re vilifying and fats and proteins. I’m like, wait a second. This, this does not align well with what we’ve been eating for thousands of thousands of years and we’ve always been healthier. You know, diabetes, this used to not be around. Cancers was not that prevalent before.

Ahmad (30:46.344)
Yeah.

Swaranjit Bhasin (31:07.202)
These are modern diseases and this is where we should not be. And the more you look at it, everywhere you look, the money incentives really, really corrupt. So this is where I’ve learned that there’s a religious propaganda behind this. And I’ve started communicating this with our leadership that we need to be accommodative of all diets.

We’re all different cultures and backgrounds. We have different associations with food. Some might like meat, some have different vegetarian things, or some are vegan by choice. That’s fine. That’s why on my three steps, I say any diet, you can be healthy. You don’t need to change your diet. You need to just get the ultra processed stuff and then use these principles.

So this is where I’ve started to really get to the people that are really pushing this agenda. I’m like, this has to really end. We’re catering to maybe 1% to 2% of our population. We should be all inclusive healthcare. So this is my recent foray, and I’m getting the message out that all diets can be healthy, and then that this religious stuff has to go the money.

And I think Belinda Fetke and Gary Fetke, they’ve done great research on this. I’m really thankful for them for opening my eyes for the background of this. If you hear that message in healthcare, question it. This is where my don’t trust verify ethos comes in.

Ahmad (32:58.518)
Yeah, 100%. And you know, Gary Fetke, he’s another orthopedic surgeon, God bless him, out in Australia. He had a lot of problems from his regulatory affairs. It seems like, Svaranjit, you know, if you speak out against big pharma, you speak out against the nonsense that our medical profession is doing, if you basically just think independently and think what’s best for your patients, you get into trouble, as I’ve discovered. And Gary Fetke had the same problems, God bless him.

You know, I think there’s two elements to this. I think there’s one element of money, and then there’s one element of, like you said, this religious cult kind of ideology. I think the money system is very simple. Seed oils don’t go off. They’re already rancid. Something that’s rancid can’t go off. It’s already off. That’s what people need to understand. You know, if something is, you know, it’s just, you know, things that are made

you know, fast food joints, if you get a burger and put it on the shelf, it won’t go off. It’s already off. You know, the bacteria in the mold doesn’t want to eat it. Just think about that. They don’t want to eat it, so why should you? But you know, when you’ve got seed oils that you can put in a plastic bottle or container and will not go off, what is easily shippable, transportable, is cheap. You know, they love it. You know, whereas things like animal fats and you know, olive oil and lard and…

and beef tallow, you know, they’re more expensive, they go off, the shipping is more complicated. So I think it comes down to money. They just wanna make money, they wanna maximize profits and to the hell with our health. And when, you know, our health deteriorates and these shareholders also own the hospitals and the drug companies and they make more money because more of us are getting sick, they’re like, great, win-win situation. We make them sick from rubbish products that are cheap.

We profit from their misery, wonderful. So I think that’s one element of it. But I think there’s also an element of, you know, this religious group of people who are like, we’re killing the planet. There’s not enough, there’s climate change. You know, the cows burping and farting are killing the planet. You know, we need to reduce the emissions, the carbon footprint. You know, animals are bad. You know, no one should eat them. We should just all have plant-based. I mean, and some people are actually

Ahmad (35:23.202)
deluded into thinking this, even though monoculture, mass monoculture destroys biodiversity, it rapes the soil of its nutrients. You need this topsoil, this one foot deep topsoil that sustains life on earth, needs organic matter, it needs animals pooping in it and treading into it, it needs rotation of crops and fallow fields. And we need animals, there’s been hordes of bison and dinosaurs and you know,

all this kind of animals, you know, for millennia, if not millions of years. And you know, what did the diners or farts and burps cause global warming? No, don’t be silly. So, you know, we need to get rid of this stupid idea of one climate change, manmade climate change, because that is a religion that’s based on nonsense. And that is driving fear and this idea that we’re killing the planet and to justify all these draconian measures

banning meat and bringing in fake meat. You know, in Ireland, they’re culling beef cattle to meet their CO2 emissions criteria. Just think about that. And I think we’re the animal welfare people. You’re just killing these healthy cattle because you think they’re emitting too much carbon. I mean, the world has gone lunatic. I mean, it’s just gone mad. But I think this comes to a very interesting topic, Swarnjit, because you keep talking to me and sending me texts and WhatsApps about fiat.

Fiat currency. And I think this is a good time to talk about it because I always say everything’s linked. You know, the fatty liver, the cancers, it’s all linked. It’s linked to hypersalemia and our food, but it’s also linked to fiat. Why don’t you tell me, why are you so interested in fiat money?

Swaranjit Bhasin (37:16.77)
Yeah, I think this is where the root cause of our health being bad is insulin resistance. The root cause of all the crazy stuff going on in the world is the fiat currency and the debasement of the fiat currency. And this is where…

I love personal finance myself. You know, like I said, I follow Elon Musk, investor in Tesla. And this is where, you know, when Tesla bought Bitcoin on their balance sheet in 2021, I think it was, I’m like, why is this genius guy buying this magic internet money for his company? I was like, whoa, I was like really shocked.

And given I had a lot of respect for him and Tesla and as a shareholder, I’m like, I need to research this more. And this is where, you know, on Twitter, there’s a big Bitcoin Twitter. You can learn a lot from there. And then I got on there and started to learn what was going on. And one of the videos that I watched that was eye opening in my journey in nutrition was it was a dentist.

that was into Bitcoin. And she posted a video, it was a engine, engine with oil, they opened up the bottom of the oil pan to drain the oil. And then there was a salad at the bottom of that. And that was like an analogy of what seed oils are. Just like engine oil. And that was my journey into like looking into what are these vegetable oils? So I actually had to learn that.

And in order to understand what Bitcoin was, I had to like go back into the history of money, where money comes from. We used to use, you know, salt and seashells as money. And in the past, money was backed by gold since the formation of the Federal Reserve. And this is where you learn that the money that we use right now is not backed by anything.

Swaranjit Bhasin (39:37.358)
Most people will say, oh no, it’s back by gold. No, Nixon took that away in 1971. And this is where I would actually, I would tell everyone, there’s this one series on YouTube that I highly recommend. Maybe you can put it in the show notes. It’s the Hidden Secrets of Money. It’s a 10 part series, really eye opener to myself.

because that’s really when I understood what the money and the incentives were. And it shows you where money comes from right now. Right now when they print the dollar or the UK pound there’s no backing to it. You can’t go to your Treasury and say I want gold in return for this paper dollar. They’re just gonna give you another paper currency. So once we understand that, we understand why

all of this stuff is happening and all the corruption. And there’s something that happens with the fiat currency, it’s called the Cantillon effect. It’s whoever is closest to the currency printer really does well. The ones that are the furthest away, which are all the citizens, don’t reap the benefits. They actually suffer from the inflation from that currency itself. So this shows you why

Ahmad (40:48.042)
Mmm.

Ahmad (40:58.111)
Yes.

Swaranjit Bhasin (41:03.39)
uh the big food and big pharma just they continue to get bigger and bigger and more influential because they’re closer to the currency printer right they’re working with the public private partnership but when you hear these things it’s really not a good thing it’s not in the interest of the citizens and this is where

Another eye-opener series that I would recommend. I don’t know if you’ve seen it. It’s on Hulu. It’s called dope sick It goes into the opioid Epidemic that we suffered yeah, this shows the you know the revolving door between Big Pharma and our agencies that regulate Big Pharma It’s really shocking to see the intricate workings once you get into the money

Ahmad (41:36.918)
I’ve heard of it.

Ahmad (41:54.122)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (41:56.154)
I mean the fiat currency really the underbelly is very ugly and the more I’ve learned the more I’m able to clarify all the noise that’s out there for my patients and that really gets into and this is where

Ahmad (42:01.961)
Yeah.

Ahmad (42:11.543)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (42:19.794)
I think the money that we are using today will continue to get debased. So I’m just going to, I know I’m not a economist or anything like that, but I see a lot of information on this. This is where the US, the debt to GDP for the US is close to 130%. So meaning how much we owe versus how much we make.

Ahmad (42:40.238)
Wow.

Swaranjit Bhasin (42:46.934)
And the world debt to GDP is about 350%. So whenever you get above 100% level, you have two options at that point. Either you default on that debt, or you inflate that debt away by printing more and more of the same currency to pay back the debt. So this is what’s happening throughout the world.

Ahmad (42:53.038)
now.

Ahmad (43:13.539)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (43:17.126)
you know the countries will continue to inflate their debt away and that’s why we’re seeing a lot of inflation and that’s why we’re being promoted to eat all these ultra processed foods you know they’re the same calories as you might get from like a steak or eggs but the nutrition is not the same

The calories are not equivalent. Our body does not know how to recognize all these lab foods. So this is, you know, it’s all.

Ahmad (43:49.602)
So hold on one sec, hold on one second. Why are they saying eat these processed foods? Because it’s cheaper?

Swaranjit Bhasin (43:58.638)
is cheaper. So if people are not able to afford real food, there’s going to be riots, right? When you cannot put food on the table, there will be problems. And this is exactly why there’s more and more promotions of ultra-processed foods to really hide the fact that inflation is there. They keep changing the basket of what’s

Ahmad (44:24.53)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (44:27.694)
what’s considered inflation. You know, initially they used to use maybe steak. Now they’re using ground beef instead of the steak. Eventually they might, you know, change it to like lab grown meat, which is I would say, stay away from all those things, really, really unhealthy for you. So all of these, one thing that I usually put on Twitter is the Fiat incentives are perverse in healthcare.

Ahmad (44:32.121)
Mm.

Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (44:57.746)
The stuff that you see around the big food, their incentive is profits at any cost. They don’t really care about your health. The seed and vegetable oils, they make over $100 billion in the US alone. So profit is the motivation. So we really need to understand what’s behind the thing. And this is where I see all the currencies inflating away. So you-

You know, people want to really hold on. You know, I’ve worked hard, put in a day’s work and you want to save that hard earned money in something. And this is where I would tell all of your listeners to really spend a hundred hours at least minimum to understand what Bitcoin is. It’s something very new. It’s been going on for about 15 years. It’s basically…

Ahmad (45:37.709)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (45:55.018)
A digital gold is how I would describe it. And I like to give a couple of examples just to explain, just to get someone interested in it. So gold took 5,000 years to go from a value of 0 to $2,000. This is because humans decided, OK, this shiny rock has some value. So I’m going to.

buy this, I’m gonna hold my value in this, I’m gonna save in this, this is my savings. And what happened is with Bitcoin, Bitcoin did the same thing in 10 years. People are trusting the computer code that is backed by mathematics and energy. And they’ve given the value of $1,000 within 10 years versus gold.

took 5,000 years. So this is where humans are trusting this network. And this is where Bitcoin is the fastest asset class to get to $1 trillion. And I would say to your listeners, I would say Bitcoin is the only real crypto out there. There’s 20,000 plus other cryptos out there. Stay away from those. Those are all fiat derivatives. And this is where if you look,

In the news media, there’s a lot of CNBC coverage about Bitcoin. We see it on the news every day now because BlackRock has filed for a Bitcoin ETF. So basically what happens is once there’s an ETF available, Larry Fink, the big money, has okayed this instrument.

and people will be easily able to hold it on their balance sheet. So there are companies or pension funds or retirement accounts, they can easily hold Bitcoin on their balance sheet. So this is what’s coming up in probably, I would say the next six months to 12, six to 12 months. ETF will get approved, it’ll get a lot easier for institutions to start holding it. And this is where people that are on the ground, they’re,

Swaranjit Bhasin (48:16.494)
working hard and they’re saving, this is an opportunity for them to really get in on the ground before the big institutions come in. So we all have to do a little work, educate ourselves about the money. And I would say start with the hidden secrets of money, learn about what are day-to-day money is about. And that really gives you an insight view on anything you do, you know, healthcare, like we’re talking about all the…

nutrition and advice that all came from learning about the money and hidden incentives. So I think this is where yeah.

Ahmad (48:50.069)
Sergeant.

So I was gonna say, so I’ve had three amazing podcasts on this roughly topic that you’ve just covered. And I would urge everyone to listen to my podcast with Ed Griffin talking about the Federal Reserve and the Fiat system. I’d recommend everyone listen to Rune Oskard and he wrote a book called Fraud Coin. And it’s about inflation as a policy over the last thousand years and how, you know.

Swaranjit Bhasin (49:07.058)
Thank you.

Ahmad (49:21.334)
you debase the currency, you just print more of something, you dilute the metal and the coins. And what he talks about and Ed Griffin and Sefadean Amoose, who wrote the Bitcoin standard, is the fact that like you just said, the people who print the money that type the numbers in the computer and just print it all off, the first people to benefit are the ones on that financial system who are the bankers or whoever who take that.

quantitative easing or the bonds or yields, whatever the government issues, you know, the treasury bond, they make the big money from that. They get power from that. That’s the first thought. For you and me and all the other plebs, we don’t see any of that. This whole trickle down thing is BS. By the time it comes to us, by the time the wave comes to us, instead of enriching us, all it does is it impoverishes us because we just have to pay more for everything. Everything is more expensive.

It’s inflation. You know, if you create more money in the circulation, things get more expensive. So, you know, this is the problem with the Fiat system that you talked about. It’s not backed by anything, and you can just create more whenever you like. And I definitely recommend those three podcasts for people to listen to. But, you know, so aren’t you, one of the things that I’ve…

I worry about is like the crypto thing. Like you said, there’s so many scams. You know, we there’s this guy that was living in the Caribbean and had a harem of people and you know, the cryptocurrency exchanges and whatnot. There’s like, there’s something about hex and some guy was behind that. And you know, there’s there, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a murky world. And for a lot of people, they’re very nervous. And, um, you know, I was reading about this, you know, there’s the average person who loses money from crypto.

this year or last year was something like £10,000. And it’s typically those who are aged between 25 and 34. And what they’re doing is they’re hoping for a quick buck. You’re hoping to cash in on this new, fancy, shiny, dazzling financial vehicle, and they get allured by it. And actually, a lot of them lose their money. I think there was another big hack recently, and some £100 million in crypto got stolen. So I think for a lot of people, they get very nervous when it comes to…

Ahmad (51:39.034)
crypto. Now I was kind of convinced by you and Sephadean Amoose and many others that Bitcoin was the real deal. And then recently Joel Smalley, who’s on Twitter known as the stats man, a very, very smart guy, very, very smart. He said Bitcoin is as lousy a payment mechanism in its own right as gold. It’s, you know, you can’t really break it up.

It’s not something that you can just go to a shop and buy things with. It’s, you know, you need to go for exchange and pay for something. He also said you can simply take the code and create Bitcoin version two. And he goes, oh yeah, they did that Bitcoin cash, et cetera, et cetera. He goes, basically Bitcoin is no different than everything else. It’s just. It’s just like, there’s, it’s a, it’s a fiat thing and it’s, there’s no benefit in it. And that really shook me.

What do you think of that?

Swaranjit Bhasin (52:38.022)
So this is where, yeah, Bitcoin Cash has been, it was formed, but if you look at the chart for Bitcoin Cash, it’s just, it went up, it was pumped, and now it’s just going towards zero against Bitcoin. And this is where we really need to do our own work to understand what Bitcoin is. It’s a fixed supply of 21 million. This is where there’s no CEO at the top. There’s, it’s,

totally decentralized. So there’s no one that can change the code and you can run the code yourself at home. There’s nodes that run throughout the world. You can run the code and see all the transactions that are going from person to person. And this is where, as the fiat debases, you’re gonna see more and more of these frauds because people are trying to come up with ways

stay afloat. And this is where I would say if once you get into Bitcoin, you know that it’s this is a long term savings. This is not a quick buck thing. So I would say for folks that are listening, use your fiat as like a checking account and Bitcoin should be your long term savings. It preserves your value. Once you buy a small portion of a Bitcoin, the

denominator will stay the same. It’s always gonna be 21 million. No one will change that. So the amount you own will always be the same. And what happens with fiat is our dollar and pound, it actually creates an illusion where you feel like you’re getting richer and you’re getting wealthier. What happens is your house prices,

going up in value. Oh my God, look at, I’m getting richer. The house is going up in prices. And then if you look at equities, you look at stocks, mutual funds, look at the, oh my God, I’m getting eight to 10% return a year on my equities. But what you don’t understand is you have to take into account how much the dollar value is dropping. The dollar is…

Swaranjit Bhasin (55:02.174)
dropping in value about 7% per year over the last, since 1950, if you look at the history, and if you look at the S&P 500, it’s almost like a flat line. So if you’re investing steadily in the equities, you’re just making on par. So this is where you really have to understand the game. And if you look at Bitcoin,

there’s a Bitcoin ETF that BlackRock has applied for. They have not applied for any other Bitcoin cash ETF. They haven’t applied for Ethereum or any other of the 20,000 plus coins because they see the value. They have, you know, I think nine trillion in assets under management. All their customers are demanding Bitcoin. So if they don’t give them Bitcoin ETF,

they’ll go and take their money elsewhere. So this really shows the institutional money is coming in. We need to front run the institutions is what I would tell your listeners. The only wrong allocation I would say to Bitcoin is zero. You just have to get off of, even if you have a very small allocation, like maybe half a percent to 2%.

you’re protecting yourself, you’re buying yourself insurance against fiat failure. And this is where I see the world. I would see all the fiat currencies falling like dominoes. Certain countries that are weaker, their currencies will collapse first. Dollar will be the last to fail. So we have the longest time to learn from everyone else. But this is where someone that’s in Lebanon and stuff, it’s too late for them.

Ahmad (56:34.026)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (56:50.194)
because their currency has already collapsed. But if they had a small allocation to Bitcoin, that actually would have saved them. And then you can actually save your Bitcoin. And this is where I would tell anyone that’s getting Bitcoin, you need to self custody it. So you need to hold it in a hardware wallet. So you’re your own bank. So this, again, this takes a little learning. You have to put in the time. And if someone’s in like a Lebanon or like a war zone and you’re…

you need to run with your assets, you can actually leave. You can leave, go to a jurisdiction that is more friendly to what you bring to the table, and they’re providing services for the tax dollars that you give. So this is like a global view over the next 10, 20 years. And this is, as we see, the currency is debased. The next step I see is…

options the government will give you is a CBDC. And this is where I would say, whoa, CBDC, no, not a good thing, learn why. We need to put in the work. We have a choice in what we do. And again, the fiat really, and it’s really sad to see all the wars. Yeah.

Ahmad (58:06.39)
I’ve got an idea.

Sorry, I was gonna say, I’ve got an idea. We should do a Twitter space on how to set up Bitcoin wallets, talk them through hard wallet, you know, Trezor, and just how to buy it, SeedWords, just explain everything. Because a lot of people have reached out to me and they don’t really understand any of this. And I know people need to take responsibility, but I think it’d be a good Twitter space actually. Because I’ve gone through the process. I’ve got a Trezor, got a hard wallet, and I bought a tiny bit of Bitcoin.

Um, and this is, you know, before I got suspended, it was actually because my bank, my podcast camp, um, got suspended and frozen. I was like, what? Like, and you know, and I had to overturn it. And I just thought, this is really weird. Like they can just do this to me. So I put a little bit of money in Bitcoin and I’m glad I did cause it’s gone up. I can’t afford it anymore. Um, so. You know, I think that I think the advice you’re giving is good, good advice. And like, we’re not giving financial advice. We’re just saying like what we would do.

And like, you know, don’t put all your money in one basket. Don’t be silly, but just put a little bit in a, you know, Bitcoin or whatever. It’s not a bad idea. Um, because of what it potentially can do. I mean, again, Sephardine and Moose were saying, you know, it’s decentralized. So the government can’t spy on you. It’s not, it’s not an intermediary. You can go, I can go to you and give you some of my Bitcoin. And, you know, I’m not going to get taxed on it. The government doesn’t know about it. It’s decentralized. And also.

the government can’t just make more of it. No one can just make more of it, which will then devalue what we already have. So these are the two properties that I find very attractive about it. And I hope Joe Smalley, if he’s listening, is wrong about Bitcoin. But yeah, I think something is happening in the next decade or two about our currencies. I don’t think this Ponzi scheme can go on forever. I think actually,

Ahmad (01:00:05.614)
I think you’re alluding to everything we see, the pandemic response, the wars. It’s all about pumping money into the system. It’s all about increasing the debt to keep the party going, you know?

Swaranjit Bhasin (01:00:20.33)
And this is where I was going to comment is the wars that we see. It’s really sad to see. And there they are bankers wars. You know, this is where it’s the money that is promoting these things. And who gets hurt? It’s the individuals on the ground on all sides. So it’s the innocent people that get hurt. And this is where you can vote peace.

Ahmad (01:00:28.525)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:00:40.585)
Mmm.

Swaranjit Bhasin (01:00:48.902)
with your wallet by purchasing Bitcoin. You have to do the hard work to get to that level of understanding. I will not do the work for you. You have to do the work yourself. And yeah, that’s a great idea for the Twitter spaces. Would love to do that. We have, I’m not that technical, but I can get a lot of folks that have the tech savvy to jump on the spaces and we can really.

Help educate because I think what I see in Twitter spaces is a lot of people talking about the doom and gloom and all the stuff that is gonna Go down and we’re gonna we’re gonna suffer, but we’re not giving solutions again We need to give solutions on how to really come out of this how we should really be shunning CBDCs in the future and give people sovereignty Give people their time back you

Ahmad (01:01:26.658)
Yeah.

Ahmad (01:01:32.116)
Exactly.

Ahmad (01:01:43.966)
Amen. So I know what’s going to happen by the way with the CBDCs. They’re going to first of all say, Hey everybody, you get a thousand pounds, a thousand dollars in your account. And 90% of the people will be chomped and go, Oh, okay. Amazing. I get free cash. And then for the rest of the 10% they’ll be like, Hmm, let’s get, we gave the carrot and they didn’t take the carrot. Let’s get the stick out. Then there’d be some punishment. If you don’t, if you don’t use the CBDCs or whatever, you know, we’re going to punish you. We’re going to get your stick.

And then there’d be 1% left and then they’ll just lock us up and put us in jail or something. But I mean, basically don’t take the free, nothing in life is free. And this free CBDC is just your digital prison and avoid it at all costs. And then we’re definitely gonna do a Twitter space, dude. Honestly, later on, we’ll organize something. I think it’s a great idea. The next couple of weeks we’ll do that. Listen, Swarnjit, last question.

You are 143. You’ve lived a great life. You’ve got a six pack, you know, your, your family’s all around you. Everybody’s like, wow, so aren’t you, you’re just the man. Okay. And, you know, my dad’s a fracking legend. That’s what they’re all saying. Or my grandfather’s a fracking legend. And, um, you, but you’re going to meet your maker. It’s time. It’s time to go now. What advice, health or otherwise, would you give to your family that are around you at that time?

Swaranjit Bhasin (01:03:08.462)
Great question. I think that’s where I would say we all need to really put in the work to realize what’s going on right in front of our eyes. The stuff that we see day to day, most of us are really mesmerized by the stuff on mass media and the mainstream media

really, really puts you in like a different state. So we really need to break out of the mainstream media. And I would say the root cause that you need to spend some time is to figure out what the money is. What are we using day to day that captures us and holds us? And once you do that, I think this gets you into health, wealth.

and freedom. It will really bring you there.

Ahmad (01:04:11.614)
I couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t agree more. Swarnjit, listen, thank you so much for taking your time. I’m sorry, I wasn’t ignoring you. I just totally forgot to confirm that we were going ahead. It was like, oh, last minute, but we did it. We got here in the end. And God bless you, my friend. You’re a real brother. And one day, I hope we can meet. I’ll give you a big hug. But let’s organize that Twitter space, okay, my friend?

Swaranjit Bhasin (01:04:41.298)
We’ll do, definitely. Great chatting. Thanks, Keir.

Ahmad (01:04:42.878)
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