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Ahmad (00:00.382)
Right. You just said you were a natural. What were you a natural what?

Gerard Waters (00:06.532)
I’m a natural bastard. I don’t have to work it. It just comes naturally to me

Ahmad (00:13.382)
and are you married?

Gerard Waters (00:14.037)
I have a vicious

Gerard Waters (00:18.023)
happened for the last 50 years. I’ve got a wife.

Ahmad (00:22.082)
So what made your wife, yeah, what did you find attractive in you?

Gerard Waters (00:29.099)
just look at me, just look at me. I’m a damn fine good looking man. No, I think the actual way to woman’s heart is to be able to make her laugh. If you can actually make her laugh by perhaps laughing at yourself rather than laughing at her. I do believe that is a very, very important attribute if you want to capture a woman, have a sense of humour, make her laugh. But the same token, you have to have the strength.

Ahmad (00:45.036)
Yes.

Gerard Waters (00:59.183)
to be able to back it up. And I would say never laugh at anybody else, but endeavor to laugh at yourself, make fun of yourself.

Ahmad (01:11.534)
I think it’s very important to take the piss out yourself, sometimes out of your mates, but I would definitely recommend no one laugh at their wife unless they want a slap in their face. Ha ha.

Gerard Waters (01:17.081)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (01:24.067)
You laugh with your wife and you laugh at yourself in the presence of your wife, but you never laugh at her. Unless you’ve got her consent at that point in time. It’s important to have the consent. So you say, is it all right for me to laugh at you? You never ever get the consent, of course.

Ahmad (01:31.852)
Yes. Listen-

Ahmad (01:43.222)
But did you, was that proper informed consent or did you do it under duress and coercion?

Gerard Waters (01:50.589)
was the coercion like the coercion of taking the messenger RNA the vaccine where you coerced into it of course you weren’t coerced into it they just didn’t tell you on the information on sorry i’m shooting ahead of myself here now

Ahmad (02:07.178)
No, no, go ahead. Shoot away. Shoot, shoot. Boom, boom. Bang, bang. It’s alright. Go ahead.

Gerard Waters (02:11.819)
All right, as soon as you chose to bring my wife into it. I’ve been with her since, I think I was, I was 17 and she was 15. All the way through college, all the way through junior hospital doctor, hospital doctor. I actually did surgery as well. So I’ve kind of got the surgical personality, you know, that the surgical personality is one of proactiveness. You know, surgeons are proactive as opposed to…

Ahmad (02:40.174)
Oh, I was thinking, I was thinking arrogance, surgical personality. I was thinking type, type a arrogant, um, cutthroat.

Gerard Waters (02:45.664)
Oh absolutely.

Gerard Waters (02:50.891)
Well, maybe, maybe you fit into that, but no, I just fit into competent and confident.

Ahmad (02:58.346)
Nice, nice, confidently competent. Nice, I like it.

Gerard Waters (03:01.975)
That’s right. Yeah, that’s how I’ve described myself. Plus a damn nice bloke overall. Anyway, talking about my wife. Yeah, we met up in our late teens and we’ve been together since. It’s not to say there haven’t been a few scraps along the way, but we have four children and three grandchildren and very proud of the whole lot of them.

Ahmad (03:28.43)
That’s amazing. So she’s your first love. She’s your childhood sweetheart. That’s nice. That’s beautiful.

Gerard Waters (03:31.403)
Yes, that’s right. Yeah. Innocent child. Yeah. So she’s still with me and she’s preparing dinner out there. And she’s kind of saying, well, when you when you’re going to be finished with this gate. And I said, I really have no idea how long it’s going to take. I said, I can imagine these type of guy I can talk to for five, six hours. But I probably not go on that long.

Ahmad (03:58.571)
The rate limiting factor is the size of my bladder. It won’t last that long.

Gerard Waters (03:59.094)
Anyway.

Gerard Waters (04:06.251)
And I suppose you’ve been quite incapable of catalyzing yourselves.

Ahmad (04:11.474)
I could, but I don’t want to. I don’t have those kind of kinks inside me. I’m a very straight-laced, straightforward kind of guy. I don’t do any of these things.

Gerard Waters (04:20.209)
Oh, yeah. Oh, life is all ahead of you. Life is all ahead of you. Anyway, so I suppose it’s kind of important to find out who and what I am. I may.

Ahmad (04:31.882)
No, no, we know that. You’ve got basically tonight, tonight you and I are two quacks having a chat because that’s what we are. We’re the crazy doctors. We’re the nut jobs who don’t toe the line and do as we’re told. That’s what we are, aren’t we? We’re dissidents.

Gerard Waters (04:34.571)
I have a bus driver’s son in front of me.

Gerard Waters (04:53.395)
Well, I would consider us as the absolutely sane ones. I would consider us the ones that are totally… As somebody came up to me and said a couple of weeks ago, I said, are you the doctor? I said, what doctor? He’s just the right one. He’s just the one who’s right about things. So I would consider myself, rather than being a crazy doctor, a crazy crack, I’d consider myself the one who’s been right about this whole bloody thing from the very beginning.

Ahmad (05:21.966)
Correct answer.

Gerard Waters (05:22.043)
Again, that may make… Yeah, so you may regard that as arrogance. I refuse to regard that as arrogance. I refuse that as a statement of truth.

Ahmad (05:34.494)
No, well, I think I love the way he said that the statement of truth and in your lovely Irish accent I wish I could talk in an Irish accent like you are but I don’t have an Irish accent

Gerard Waters (05:45.233)
I wish you could as well, I wish you could as well because you’re not doing a very good job of it. You sound like Dermot Gill and the Little People, you know? Who do you think you’re talking to, Leprechaun here or something?

Ahmad (05:57.402)
Yeah, who do you think you’re talking to? I’m talking to a leprechaun. Do you know the funny thing is people

Gerard Waters (06:04.571)
I’m not gonna get up, I’m not gonna-

Ahmad (06:08.266)
I was going to say the funny thing is people always say to me, have you gotten… Yeah, but people always think I’ve got an Irish accent and I’m like, I’m not Irish. They’re like, no you…

Gerard Waters (06:08.719)
I’m not gonna call this Scottish accent, you know?

Gerard Waters (06:15.511)
No, that’s just it! Yeah, no, you do… You sound like Northern Irish. You sound kinda Northern Irish. You really haven’t got a decent Scottish accent, honestly, you know? You… You’re letting the Scottish people down.

Ahmad (06:29.026)
There’s a story about that. Do you know what that is? Do you know why that’s the case? So if you look at my, no, I’ll explain, I’ll explain. So I grew up in a very rough working class area. And if you go back and look at our home videos from the 1980s, it’s like, aye, all right, what’s for dinner, ma? And that’s how I used to speak. And, but when I was about 11, my parents moved to the only affluent part of Glasgow.

Gerard Waters (06:33.952)
I suppose you would.

Ahmad (06:58.762)
And suddenly, not only was this kid the only brown kid, the only Paki, the only Muslim, the guy with the name Ahmed Malik, I also had the bloody thick working class accent. And everyone else is like, hey, hello, I’m from the West End. So I was like, I can’t change my name. I can’t change the fact that I’m a Paki or a Muslim or whatever else. So you know what? I’ll fit in, I’ll speak like them. So this is what you call a Kelvin side accent.

Gerard Waters (07:24.463)
This is the end of the video.

Ahmad (07:28.191)
Excuse me, sir.

Gerard Waters (07:30.1)
Ah, that’s rather unfortunate, isn’t it? But I suppose we all got our little crosses to bear. And I, on the other hand, was sent to elocution. Rob didn’t go and play football. I was sent to elocution. I didn’t do a lot of it, but my sisters and…

Ahmad (07:33.774)
Ha ha ha!

Ahmad (07:48.703)
It doesn’t sound like it worked. It doesn’t sound like it did much.

Gerard Waters (07:55.03)
You really don’t want to start off on the right footing do you? Like do you have a death wish or something like that?

Ahmad (08:02.885)
I’m always looking for trouble. I’m a troublemaker. You know, that’s my problem

Gerard Waters (08:06.893)
Very obviously. And then you think that the medical council have an infee and that you don’t get on with the medical council. Good Lord, I can see there’s very, very good reasons why you don’t get on with the medical council.

Ahmad (08:21.954)
Talking about medical councils, have you had any run in with the medical council?

Gerard Waters (08:28.323)
Oh, well, quite apart from the fact that I was suspended for 33 months ago and my career totally ruined and all my earning capacity taken off me. And the fact that I’m in the middle of a battle to stop them blackening my name and I’ve been through hell and high water and hell and back. No, I’ve had no problems with them.

Ahmad (08:53.674)
Amazing, I’m so glad to hear that. So let’s go back and tell me exactly what happened. Why did they suspend you? Apart from the fact that you’re the only sane doctor.

Gerard Waters (09:02.383)
Thank you.

Gerard Waters (09:07.311)
Well, just a quick recap. I was born and raised in a corporation housing estate in Drimlin, Dublin. My father was a bus driver. I worked for a few years after doing my leaving. My mother insisted we do our leaving. I worked for a few years. Then I went back, studied to do medicine, got into Galway University, went straight through college, didn’t fail any exams.

straight through with a wife and two children, lived in a 16 foot caravan, lived in 24 foot mobile home, lived in a corporation housing estate and arrived as a qualified doctor to a place called Port-Jonc-le-Pal-ne-Slo began to do surgery, love surgery, love doing surgery, but then after a few years realized this isn’t going to work. I had the incapacity, I was unable to delegate.

I was one of those guys, if you operated on somebody during the day, I was back in seeing them that night, whether I was on duty or not. I really had a major problem of walking away. So I realized then that I was either going to sacrifice my kids or get out of general surgery. So I got out. I suppose there were…

Ahmad (10:11.49)
Hmm

Gerard Waters (10:26.831)
Any decision in life, any major decision in life is multifactorial. You never make it on the base of one reason, but there’s often four, five, six, seven reasons. Anyway, I decided to go into general practice, went and did the sort of the rotation of psychiatry and obstetrics and a bit of geriatrics and a bit of this and a bit of that, and went into general practice. Spent 40 years as a GP in a single-handed practice.

absolutely happy, loved doing it. As a working class guy, I was so privileged to be allowed into people’s lives. The sheer privilege of being allowed to be allowed into somebody’s life. Whatever it was, whether it was a psychiatric problem or a cut hand or problems with the kids and that, I formed a relationship with thousands of patients.

Ahmad (11:04.962)
Hmm

Gerard Waters (11:24.991)
I was privileged to be allowed into life until then, January 2020. And I realized that there was this thing coming out of China or Wuhan, and people were dying on the roads as if they’d been shot by a sniper’s bullet. Of course, this was no way, this wasn’t the way you die from respiratory failure. So I started researching it and realized, and the red flag for me at that stage was that the

ICGP and the Department of Health and the Medical Council were not refuting, are not denying the fact that these people dying on the streets of China could not be dying of respiratory failure, that these were in fact a con. So at the same time, having done 40 winters of upper respiratory tract infections and various snotty noses and flus and coughs.

having had enough people spitting and snorting and coughing into my face such that I brought these things home and that I was well familiar with winter flus and winter upper spire tract infections and in the absolute knowledge that most of these things were very, very minor and every year you got a couple of bad bouts of it or people got bad bouts of it. And then working in the nursing, I worked nursing homes as well.

But, you know, working nursing homes, I knew that the method of death certification was the best guess on the part of a GP, that we couldn’t diagnose any old person dying unless we did an autopsy, whether there was a post-mortem. So in conjunction with all that knowledge and in the knowledge that there was no pathogen, particular pathogen, circulating in the community.

Ahmad (13:00.631)
Hmm

Gerard Waters (13:18.655)
I thought, hey, this is wrong. So I start writing to the ICGP. I start writing to contacts in the Department of Health. I can’t say, hey lads, there’s something wrong here. You know, this just doesn’t wash. They ignored me. They totally ignored me. I got one reply back that it’s a very complicated rope. At this stage, during the lockdowns, you know, it was all right for us middle class people in our five-bedroomed houses, our six-bedroomed houses, and our big gardens out in the country.

Ahmad (13:30.242)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (13:48.235)
But I was thinking of the people in the in the flats, the corporation flats and the three bedroom houses in the corporation areas locked in with the three and four kids and not allowed go to the beaches. So I start kind of saying, well, why don’t you open the beaches? Why don’t you open the caravan parks? Why don’t you? It’s a lovely, lovely spring. You know, let people get away down the country or into the beaches. Yeah, that’s right. So I was saying this.

Ahmad (14:11.234)
The weather was great. I remember the weather was great.

Gerard Waters (14:16.011)
And I got no reply. Like they just didn’t reply. They just didn’t communicate with me. As I say, I got one communication where they say, no, this is a very, very complicated knot. And my response was, well, when somebody’s hanging, you don’t undo the knot, un-rangle the knot. You actually cut the rope, so cut the rope. They didn’t talk to me anymore. Anyway, fundamentally, that’s what happened. I just copped that there was something odd going on.

Ahmad (14:33.954)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (14:43.019)
So then they didn’t start saying, well, you’ve got to wear a mask. So I wore a monkey mask on the first day, which is exactly what my patients expected me to wear a Halloween monkey mask. And I went out and everybody said, well, they told us to wear a mask. And so that didn’t go down very well. It went down very well with my patients. Everybody said, that’s exactly what I expected you Jerry. And that’s exactly sort of sense of humor. Anyway, I then, then I did my due diligence as well as expected to do.

Ahmad (14:57.006)
Ha ha ha!

Gerard Waters (15:10.999)
Well, as a GP anyway, I don’t expect, I didn’t expect the psychiatrist or the surgeons are at to really to know what was going on in all honesty, you know. But for a GP who was at the cold face, it was very important to look at the PCR test, you know, the very basis of every death certification for which this was about people dying of Covid based on PCR tests.

The PCR test wasn’t worth a damn. It was never intended to diagnose people. It’s a forensic test to see if a guy’s skin was under the nails of a girl that he’d raped or murdered or something like that. It was a forensic test. It was never meant as a screening test. And the inventor said it was never meant as a screening test. So I took him at his word and kind of said,

time, we can’t use it at all. Again, I was totally ignored. So went on with me, me refusing to wear masks, me refusing to, to lock down, refusing. I insisted on seeing my patients, every patient, if a patient came into me with a cough or a cold or a snotty nose, I, or an earache, I looked at them, I examined them as I’d done for the previous 40 years. With result, I got 100%, success rated my COVID patients. I also refused to send anybody for COVID.

for PCR test because again, I was saying, but it’s not worth a damn, it’s a lie, it doesn’t work. Again, but people were heading off to get the PCR test, so they’re coming to me and say, I’ve got COVID and I said, I don’t give a damn, I’m still listening to your chest, I’m looking at your throat and I’m going to give you, I’m going to intervene as I’ve done for the previous 40 years. How I intervened was I listened to her chest, listened to her ears,

Gerard Waters (17:07.267)
you know, just normal what any doctor does in any surgery, until we were ordered not to do any of those things. We were ordered to send them home to isolate and get a pneumonitis or pneumonia until they couldn’t breathe. Then we sent them back in, they sent into the hospital and they died of pneumonia or been intubated or whatever. Anyway, that’s fundamentally what it was. I just refused to go along with it until they introduced the vaccine.

Ahmad (17:33.422)
Mm.

Gerard Waters (17:36.635)
in December of 2020, they told us we were getting this vaccine. And again, I looked at it and I cannot believe that they’re introducing a viral, any viral RNA into a human body. This is just too crazy. My knowledge of viruses being introduced into the human body was through the

Ahmad (17:52.598)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (18:02.743)
by the papilla virus being in the squamous cell of the cervix or through Epstein-Barr virus causing lymphomas and that was my understanding of it. So I was kind of saying, hey lads, you’re not going to start injecting viral RNA into human beings, never mind wrapping it in a lipid nanoparticle to make it particularly deadly.

So I kind of start saying, I don’t believe you’re doing this. Uh, so anyway, in, in February at 21, when, when I refused to give the vaccines, you know, I was saying, I’m a conscientious objector, I’m just not doing this and see, I thought I, I thought I was a made man. I thought I was like a made man that I was protected because I had communicated with the ICGP, I’d communicated with the department of health, I’d communicated with the medical council.

I let them know my views, I offered to debate, to argue, to fight it out. I’d offered to do pretty much anything just to get to the bottom of this. And I kept using the word, correct my error in thinking. Please correct my error in thinking. If I have an error in thinking, please correct it. They didn’t, they just ignored me. So it went on.

Then somebody in, I think it was September, October, somebody complained that I was saying, I was speaking heresy, that I was a heretic as far as the religion of COVID went. I was reported to the medical council. There was chewing and throwing between me and the medical council and the only correction I got, because I kept saying, well, correct my thinking, the only correction I got from the president of the medical council, a doctor by the name of

Rita Doyle, a GP from Bray, was that, in fact, she corrected a typo on one of my letters. That was the only correction I got, that the typo was corrected. It sounds crazy, but my secretary had misspelled conscience or conscientious and she pointed out that it was misspelled. So that was the only correction I got. Anyway, they decided that they would, with two days notice,

Ahmad (20:07.367)
It does.

Gerard Waters (20:22.611)
With no legal representation, I was brought before a full hearing of the Medical Council. I, as you can imagine, I battered them into submission with my tongue. They, not one of the medical people on, I wouldn’t expect the lay people because these are just

Ahmad (20:36.866)
Ha ha ha!

Ahmad (20:51.934)
Yes, exactly, that’s how it works.

Gerard Waters (20:52.055)
But the medical doctors, they’re just along for the ride. The medical doctors there, not one of them, not one of them climbed into the ring with me, not one of them showed, even debated this. Because I think the gynaecologist asked me, did I ever wear a mask, or did I send it for the PCR test? This is all done remotely.

opposite 18 boxes of people, various doctors and officials and general, as I say, Gambian men and whatever. And so the day she asked, she asked, I think, did I wear a mask or did I send anybody for PCR test? And that launched me into another 10 or 15 minutes of tirade against them, against the idea. I was well prepared at that stage. And you could see the other side.

Jesus, you know, why did you bring that up? Shut up. Don’t ask him any questions. Anyway, none of the professors, none of the creme de la creme of medical practice in Ireland got into the ring with me. And this is the crazy thing. Not only did they not get in to batter me down or to beat me into submission or to show that I was wrong, they didn’t even let the Christian decency to offer me a way out.

Ahmad (22:16.683)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (22:20.767)
Like when Joan of Arc was being burnt at the stake, they offered her a chance to recant. I haven’t been around in medieval times, so I don’t know if this is true, but we all got the impression you were offered a chance to recant and to reject your heresy. The Medical Council didn’t give me that opportunity. They burnt me at the stake, or rather they took my head and put it on a spike at the gates of Dublin as an example.

Ahmad (22:43.093)
Oh.

Gerard Waters (22:51.663)
to any other GP who might have the temerity to go against their dictates or their dictates and not administer the medical, the kill shot, the clot shot, the assault, the assault of battery. Anyway, so as I say, I got two days notice being brought before the medical council and two days notice being brought before the High Court.

And in the High Court, the medical council stupidly tried to introduce a spurious case to try and make me look bad. That’s now the subject of an inquiry at the moment. A silly case. And anyway, the High Court judge rejected this other case. They were throwing this kitchen sink at me in the hope, in the absolute to guarantee that I was suspended because there’d be little point in bringing

a heretic like me before the assembled multitude and not burn them. That would be a massive anticlimax, wouldn’t it? So anyway, I was brought in, he had it.

Ahmad (24:03.663)
So just one second, one second, one second, one second, one second. So when you were in front of this panel of peers and professors and noble doctors, okay, you know these other doctors and whatnot.

Gerard Waters (24:13.855)
Oh, they’re not my peers. They’re not my peers. Very few peers on that panel. They’re not my peers.

Ahmad (24:23.366)
Yeah, so what was their allegation against you? What was the reason they called you up?

Gerard Waters (24:27.307)
The allegation was, well, fundamentally that I was, you see, it’s not that terribly clear, but fundamentally I refused to follow the schizoid instructions of the Department of Health. The Department of Health were giving me these schizoid instructions that had absolutely no basis in medicine and I refused to follow these instructions.

Ahmad (24:54.818)
So hold on, so if I hear this correctly, for standing up for informed consent and medical ethics and common sense and good medical practice, and for not following government dictates, you got called up to go in front of your medical council.

Gerard Waters (25:14.787)
Yep, absolutely, totally nothing else, no other reason. No, it was purely and simply because, well, it was brought to a head by a television or radio program in Ireland called Morning Ireland, and a guy by the name of Joe Duffy brought up the fact that there was a GP in Kildare refusing to give his patients.

a, um, irresponsibly refusing to give his patients the COVID jab. And, uh, some, some people, some silly rather dim witted people from Selbridge where I live decided to chime in and say, I was a disgrace. And then there’s a little twat. He was the, um, CEO of the Eastern health board came on television saying I was a disgrace, I was brought up in the doll. Um.

that I had refute how the local Sinn Fein TD brought up the door saying that I didn’t actually hear what she said but fundamentally I suppose she was saying I should be brought out and keel-hauled at the very least if not burned at the stake. Anyway, they decided to take my career off me, take all my earning capacity. I can’t even write a prescription for myself. I can’t.

I can’t write a prescription myself. I can’t theoretically. I can’t even examine myself.

Ahmad (26:47.959)
So were you suspended at that point indefinitely or for how long?

Gerard Waters (26:52.848)
I suspended such that in the High Court, the High Court judge says, yeah, you know, it’s half 11 now, by two o’clock you’re to close your, I’ve got two hours notice to close my practice. So I told my secretaries and kind of said, yeah, girls, good luck, you’re out of here.

were made redundant. So I had to make them redundant. It cost me tens of thousands of euros to pay off their redundancy. There were a number of vulture-type GPs looking to buy my practice for nothing. I’d get my practice for nothing and make sure I left my stethoscope as well. So I decided, well, you see, I thought it was a temporary suspension. I kind of thought I’d be back.

Ahmad (27:10.731)
Wow.

Gerard Waters (27:38.423)
But then as the dweeks and months drew on and 33 months later, I’m still suspended. Now this is contrary to Irish legislation. Within the legislation, it specified that I should be a time limit, should be placed on it. But when I went to the medical council, oh, no, that’s not our fault. That’s the High Court judge who happens now. That the High Court judge erred in law.

But I said, yeah, go back to the high court, you know. And of course I had no legal representation because the MPS kind of pulled out. The MPS pulled out because I wouldn’t roll over and allow them to, the medical council scratched my belly. The MPS, the medical protection society actually decided that I would, so I’ve no legal representation.

Ahmad (28:31.062)
Wow. This is not good. And what was this? What was it? Yeah, what happened then? So, I mean, you’re not really struck off. You’ve just been suspended.

Gerard Waters (28:34.475)
Yeah, so then after I was struck off.

Gerard Waters (28:41.023)
After I was suspended, we went for a judicial review in the appellant court. We were going into the appellant court and I was saying, I haven’t got my day in court, I have not had an opportunity to explain myself. I was demanding an opportunity. So the MPS, the Medical Protection Society,

I think it was about four weeks before we were due to go in July. I was suspended in the beginning of March. And in July we got a place, an appointment for the appellant court. And then suddenly the MPS presented me with a list of things that if I signed up to these

Gerard Waters (29:38.819)
basically saying I would not talk about COVID, I would not present my situation, that I would not, that I would not, they weren’t insisting I give the vaccine, but they were insisting that I didn’t criticise the vaccine. So there are about six or seven things and if I signed these we wouldn’t have to go into the appellant court. Now the barrister had said that the judge had aired in law, but so

When they came up and I said, no, I’m not signing, I want my day in court. I said, oh, well then we’re not representing you because you’re not following legal advice. I’m one of the, in the small print of the MPS, the Medical Protection Society, which as you know, is the insurer, it’s the principal insurer in Ireland, I don’t know about England, but you know, like this is a non-profit making, they’re so proud to say it’s a non-profit making organisation. But because I refuse to go along and take the legal advice.

They abandoned me and said, well, sorry, we’re not presenting. We’re not we’re not representing you anymore. And I said, well, I’m not sure it cost me to represent myself. And it sort of came around to be 64000 euros to represent myself. I’m damned I was going to give solicitors, you know, some of the most crooked people in the world 64000 out of my pension contributions. So I had to let it drop.

At that stage, I actually thought I was about to get a stroke. I was getting what I thought were TIAs. And I was reminded by the doctor in the MPS that remember when I said, you know, the sort of character of my tinnitus has changed, I’m afraid, something going on in my brain, she said, oh, remember, you can’t change your own medication. That was her response.

Ahmad (31:09.966)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (31:32.43)
That is what.

Ahmad (31:32.469)
Wow. Oh Jerry, I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this. I’m sorry.

Gerard Waters (31:36.727)
I’ve had it kind of, the truth of it is, it sounds, as it happened, it was traumatic. But I think I got the disposition and I’m a hugely positive person. I have an expectation that things will work. We were chatting about this earlier on. I really believe things will work. And so I’m hugely positive. So at no stage was I, could I honestly say I was down or depressed or that?

Even though, you know, many, many times you kind of say, well, I could end all this by just topping myself. And then, you know, and then the sort of ideas come across yourself. What about sort of self immolation? What if you if you went into a connoisseur and set yourself on fire to try and draw attention to the fact that there’s treason going on in our country, that are our GPs?

Ahmad (32:12.031)
Oh, don’t do that.

Ahmad (32:28.222)
No, no, there’s one very good reason not to do that. And that’s because you’ll increase the amount of carbon in the atmosphere and you’ll be contributing towards global warming.

Gerard Waters (32:38.615)
Ha ha ha! Oh, I think you’re a bit of a natural bastard as well, honestly. But that’s not the reason. The reason I didn’t do it was because then that would just prove, that would then be proof, oh, we told you he was mad. You know, like this is one crazy guy. Like, you know, and to do it sort of in the ethos or the idea.

Ahmad (32:54.462)
Yes.

Gerard Waters (33:01.983)
of a Buddhist monk sort of sacrificing yourself to draw attention to something, you know, has happened, I think, in Thailand and that, you know. So I just, anyway, but these thoughts go through your head. I woke up so often with this idea. I’ve just had a horrible dream that they start injecting the people with the…

with a messenger RNA, a viral messenger RNA, and it’s going to cause cancers. And then I think, oh no, damn, that isn’t a dream. That’s real. That’s actually real. I’d wake up in sweats during 21 and 22. Anyway, then I decided I’d get on to Twitter and I started tweeting. I started tweeting pretty much the things I’m saying to you now. And the medical council decided.

Ahmad (33:35.534)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (33:54.671)
Oh, we got to shut this guy up. So they came after me on this spurious case that it’s been in fought out at the moment. And that I can’t discuss. But so fundamentally, that’s been the fund of the last four years of my life. But as I say, I’m not down, I’m not depressed. I’m massively positive because I can see. I see the other thing is.

Ahmad (34:12.7)
Oh.

Gerard Waters (34:20.983)
When I walk through the town, I’m a kind of a hero. People come up and hug me and shake my hand and say, well done, Jerry. You know, we thought you were for the birds three years ago, but we now know that you’re right. I walk into a room and get a standing ovation. I am. I was nominated. I wasn’t nominated. I was awarded Man of the Year by the Irish Council for Civil Liberties. Human rights. And so there has been a very, very definite upside.

to what appeared to be a case.

Ahmad (34:50.926)
That’s not saying very much for the rest of the men in Ireland.

Gerard Waters (34:57.717)
Oh you are, you’re an evil, evil person. I don’t know, I don’t know. Ala is not smiling on you now boy, you know. Ala is not smiling on you.

Ahmad (35:00.579)
Hehehe!

Ahmad (35:06.731)
You warned me!

Ahmad (35:12.169)
Oh, he gave up on me 15 years ago when I walked out the religion.

Ahmad (35:21.635)
It’s funny, you warned me about your sense of humor and what you didn’t realize was your sense of humor is just like mine, buddy. I love your sense of humor.

Gerard Waters (35:23.054)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (35:31.767)
Well, I didn’t realize I was up against what I was up against. You know, you see, you lulled me into a false sense of security. I thought this nice little Muslim boy really won’t be able for a crusty old Christian.

Ahmad (35:39.502)
Hehehe

Ahmad (35:49.473)
Never ever assume anything about anyone.

Gerard Waters (35:57.398)
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, where do we go from here? Now that we’ve got all of our instruments.

Ahmad (35:59.282)
And no, but no, seriously. No, but who? So no, first a few things. One, who said I’m young? Who said I’m a Muslim? And who said I’m a boy? I might be identifying. I might be identifying as something else. You never know these days.

Gerard Waters (36:12.036)
I saw you! You haven’t got a very good head of hair. I know!

Gerard Waters (36:21.461)
Well, you can be a black lesbian for all I care. I really don’t care. I will treat you with the same content that I treat pretty much every other doctor.

Ahmad (36:35.362)
I identify as a trans redneck. I’d love to have a big pickup, a check shirt, a rifle and a bow and live in the hills. Honestly, I swear to God, I’d love that. I’d love that.

Gerard Waters (36:42.184)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (36:46.287)
Yeah, that’s funny. It’s funny that you say that, but as a kid, I always had the idea, maybe every kid, and there may be little boys, you’d love to live in the forest and live off rabbits and, you know, hunt your own food and roast them over a fire and that. Now, I got to admit, when I lived in Galway, I used to go shooting rabbits out across a golf course. The only time I stood in the golf course and took a shot.

Ahmad (36:59.086)
Skrittos.

Ahmad (37:08.066)
Ahem.

Gerard Waters (37:13.867)
was with a.22 rifle, I shot him rabbits and I ate quite a few rabbits because just as a means of sustenance, you know. So I have actually skinned many rabbits and ate many, many rabbits in my life. Tasty little buggers, you know.

Ahmad (37:24.288)
Nice.

Ahmad (37:30.026)
I love it. So I’ll tell you something really, really funny. So, oh God, it’s really annoying. Like some guys have got great voices, very deep baritone, rich gravelly voices. I’ve got, I don’t, I’ve got quite a high pitched voice. It’s kind of embarrassing. Sometimes when the phone rings and I answer, they go, hello, Mrs. Malik, is Mr. Malik there? And I’m like, oh for f-

Gerard Waters (37:52.591)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ahmad (37:55.098)
Oh, for Frank’s sake. And then I’m like, and then I have to go, yeah, and then I go, this is Mr. Malik. Ha ha!

Gerard Waters (38:10.67)
Ah, yeah, but it’s, look, it’s not your voice, it’s the thoughts behind them, which so far aren’t very good, you know, like I haven’t found anything that is particularly interesting so far, but, you know, I’m trying to ignore your voice and hoping that it affects something wise or smart or is going to come out, but I live in hope, I live in hope.

Ahmad (38:12.674)
Ha ha.

Ahmad (38:33.054)
Nah, nah. No, no, you’ll be waiting a long time, buddy. So listen, let’s go back.

Gerard Waters (38:41.792)
Yeah, it’s funny about this concept.

Ahmad (38:42.294)
Let’s go back, let’s go back. Yeah, but listen, you’ve been treated badly by your profession out there in Ireland. You know, they’ve not really given you a fair trial. They’ve just suspended you now, left you hanging.

Gerard Waters (38:56.615)
No, I don’t think that’s true. It’s not a matter of not really giving me a fair trial. They have actually been mendacious and malicious, a malicious prosecution. Like this goes beyond just not being nice to me. Like they have actually destroyed me. They’ve endeavored to destroy me. They’ve done everything they could. They just took on the wrong little bastards from Trumna.

Ahmad (39:16.962)
Ahem.

Ahmad (39:23.158)
Well, the thing is, you’ve said exactly what I’ve been saying on my podcast, which is, it’s not enough to destroy the GP or the doctor. The thing is, you carry so much weight as a doctor and you know, you’re quite dangerous to the authorities because if you say, Hey, this doesn’t make sense. People listen to you. You’re not some kid in the basement.

Gerard Waters (39:29.795)
I’m sorry.

Gerard Waters (39:41.263)
Thank you.

Ahmad (39:48.65)
You know, playing computer games. You’re a GP with years of experience and a funny ponytail. You know, people need to listen to you.

Gerard Waters (39:56.048)
That is the strength, that is what makes them frightened of me. And again, I’m coming back to this concept of being working class. So that you identify, I give talks around Ireland, over the years, I’ve given talks on COVID. And I refer to those as my spine straightening talks.

Ahmad (40:02.583)
The Ponytail?

Ahmad (40:07.455)
Yeah.

Ahmad (40:14.126)
Mm-hmm.

Gerard Waters (40:21.515)
And the reason I refer to them as a spine straightening talk, it’s this is not, you know, a spinal manipulation or anything, but it’s close to it. A woman one day after giving one of the talks said to me, she says, the day after you gave your talk, I walked with my head high for the first time in two years. Because I had ideas and thoughts and I refused to wear a mask. I refused to social distance. And I was sort of pariah in the town.

Ahmad (40:41.918)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (40:52.151)
said, and after you gave your talk, I had, you know, there were 50 or 60 at the talk and she didn’t know a lot of them, but then they start meeting up. And she said, yes, you straightened my spine because the next day I walked around saying a doctor came down, a knowledgeable doctor came down, no other doctor in town was going down this road, a knowledgeable doctor came down and explained exactly what COVID was, that COVID was a…

Ahmad (41:06.336)
Love it.

Gerard Waters (41:21.731)
hoax and that COVID, the hoax, the pathogenicity of COVID was primarily to panic people into the vaccine and the vaccine is a cull. And that’s, that is, that is what I’ve come to believe. That is what I totally understand. And that is, it’s brought home and proven to me every day as the information comes out of the, the likes of New Zealand and, and in Ireland, well, the excess

Everybody’s aware of people dying.

Ahmad (41:54.41)
Yeah, yeah, no, you’re 100% right. So now it’s not good enough to just suspend you or strike you off. They need to get that head on a pike in front of the city gates and send it as a warning. And I don’t think it’s really a warning to the public. I think it’s even more a warning to other doctors. You dare to step out of line, this is what’s gonna happen, you know?

Gerard Waters (42:14.489)
It is, yes, it always was.

Gerard Waters (42:20.339)
Well, you see, this is the funny thing about it. And they all did and it worked. It worked very, very successfully. But the funny thing is I was aware in 21 when this was all going through, that they needed a head on a spike. And because I was 70 at the time, now I know you’re going to say, I absolutely don’t look at it. And there’s no rumor. And there’s a rumor going around the fact that I’ve had cosmetic surgery. That’s totally untrue. I am this way naturally.

Ahmad (42:22.19)
Ahem.

Gerard Waters (42:49.179)
So if you hear that I’ve had cosmetic surgery or botox or anything like that, it’s totally untrue. Anyway, so I was seven.

Ahmad (42:54.23)
It’s just Guinness. It’s just it’s Guinness baths. That’s what it is. It’s Guinness baths. Total immersion in Guinness.

Gerard Waters (42:59.831)
Yeah, let me get this. But I was 70 at the time and due to the fact that I was never a spender of money, I really didn’t need to spend money. Yeah, tight, tight. Yeah, like a Scot, like a Scot. But I am, yeah, so I had two kind of passions. One was renovating old cars.

Ahmad (43:12.551)
You’re tight. Tight. Yeah, exactly.

Gerard Waters (43:27.555)
From, I stole my first motorbike at the, no, no. When I borrowed my first motorbike at the age of 12, I’ve been working on motorbikes and cars and generally mechanically, very, very mechanically minded. With the result that I built an old XK150 Jag up from a heap of rubbish to Christine model. I’m in the process of building a Porsche Carrera.

up a 1974 Porsche Carrera. I’ve got that in about a thousand parts. And when my mind is, it comes right, I will build that again. I’ve got a Bentley Continental, a 1994 Bentley Continental. It’s the pride of my life. I absolutely love it. Every time I look at it, I think, oh, what a lovely car, you know, classic Bentley Continental. And so that’s yeah, yeah. But what I’m saying is

I didn’t really spend a lot of money on these things because I did all the work myself, even though I now end up with these pieces of machinery that are worth some money. And rugby, I was involved in a very working class rugby club around the area. So when I went to the point, I’d go around, go down and hang around the bar until somebody that I’d stitched up on a previous occasion would come up and say, I owe you a pint, which result that I could live on the clippings at Tin.

The crazy thing is that when I actually got to be suspended and my income taken off me, I realized I was wealthier than I thought I’d been. I hadn’t actually counted up. I’d never really given any consideration to money because I’ve always said to young doctors, you never ever practice medicine for money, but if you’re good at it, you’ll make money. And this is the point. Don’t do it for money because that is the wrong reason.

But if you’re very good at it, as I was, in fact, I’d say I was exceptionally good at it. Again, modesty is a major problem. I have great difficulty getting over my modesty. So if you’re any good, you’ll make money. And I made money, which resulted in I didn’t need the medical counsel. So to an extent, I kind of put my head in the chopping block, as Pat Morrissey, one of the doctors who was sort of running parallel with me.

Ahmad (45:29.707)
You and me both.

Gerard Waters (45:47.663)
in his objection to this said I was like a kamikaze pilot. I drove my mosquito into the battleship, onto the deck of the battleship, kamikaze-like. It was only afterwards I realized, yeah, he was a bit like that. I said, right, lads, come on, I’ll take you on. And I lost. Well, I didn’t lose. I won. But.

Perhaps, perhaps I have to die.

Ahmad (46:15.79)
So it’s very, you know what, it sounds, it’s very, your story is very similar to mine, except, you know, I’m not as good looking as you, I’m half your age, and I don’t have, I don’t have the money. Yeah, I don’t have the money. But the thing is, you know, Jerry.

Gerard Waters (46:25.848)
True, true, true. Magnanimous, magnanimous. Yeah, yeah, true, true. Go on, go on, go on. There’s more, I’m sure. Come on, come on. There’s more, I’m sure there’s more things that you don’t, that are not as good as I am.

Ahmad (46:39.146)
No, no, but listen, but Jerry, what happened to me was the difference was the private hospitals, I left the NHS in 2017 because I saw the bullshit. I saw how corrupt it was, how inefficient it was, and how it was designed not to really help people. And so I left the NHS and went private, worked two and a half days a week. My concentration was more on my health and spending time with the family and earning enough to pay the bills.

I got off the rat race. All the other orthopods are chasing the big cars, the big dream, the big dream has, the expensive holidays, the, the girlfriend on the side. I don’t want any of that. I just wanted a simple life.

Gerard Waters (47:23.983)
No, I wouldn’t draw it. No, I draw the line of that now. I draw the line of that now, Amid. There are some things that are… And now, go on, sorry, go on. You distracted me there.

Ahmad (47:33.31)
Anyway, so basically, so I was thinking the fact that I was working for myself, but you know, out of private hospitals, I would be immune to basically censorship. I thought I could speak up and I would be okay. Now exactly one year ago, I did a video that I put on Twitter saying, we need to stop these shots. There’s something weird happening. Doctors are telling me they’re seeing strange stuff. There’s complications. I’m seeing it, but…

No one seems to be brave enough to say anything. We need to stop this experimentation and figure out what’s happening. Do you know within 24 hours, two of the private hospitals, the national medical directors contacted me and said, stop this, take down the video. If you talk about this again, we’re gonna have to review your practicing privileges. And I was like, whoa, hold up, this is bizarre.

Gerard Waters (48:07.311)
Thanks for watching!

Ahmad (48:27.594)
You know, you’d think if a doctor is saying there’s something strange going on and potentially people’s lives are at risk, people would say, what are you saying? Tell us about it. Let’s look into it. And surely it’s better to be safe and wrong than be, you know, quiet and, and guilty of, of harm. Um, but it was opposite. They tried to shut me up and I thought it was really bizarre.

Gerard Waters (48:49.795)
Thank you.

Gerard Waters (48:53.003)
And if you want to see this, please do. I have to stay. And if you want to see this, please do. I have to stay.

Ahmad (48:55.126)
And I thought they were bullying me. So I stood up to the bullies and went, no, tell me what am I saying that’s wrong? Show me the evidence. You know, let’s compare notes. They all went quiet, just like you. None of the doctors answered my questions. They kept staying quiet. Anyway, they backed off and I thought, great, I’ve won a little victory. And then I thought, you know, I don’t really go on Twitter. I mean, I go on it once a month or whatever. I never really tweeted any of my own stuff.

Gerard Waters (49:11.485)
Thank you.

Ahmad (49:22.914)
But if you’re telling me to shut up, I’m gonna do the exact opposite. I’m gonna tweet like a tweety bird. So I started tweeting, tweet, tweet. And suddenly I got a very big following. And I said, look, this whole vaccine industry is a bit dodgy. We need to look into this. This whole trans issue, this is a bit dodgy. Climate change is a bit dodgy. Everything’s a bit dodgy. Anyway, my medical director kept coming back to me saying, oh, we’ve had complaints, we’ve had anonymous complaints. I want a meeting with you. And I was like, why’d you want a meeting with me? What did I say wrong?

Gerard Waters (49:23.247)
Thank you.

Ahmad (49:52.054)
What did I say that was wrong? What do you agree with the complainant? Who is that person? What is the issue? And so there was this constant battle backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. And it was just harassment. It was just constant bullying and harassment. Anyway, it all came to an end ahead in May when I got referred to the GMC for apparently being transphobic. Now you wanna know why I was transphobic? You like this one. So I posted a tweet saying, is Dylan Mulvaney a woman? And…

Gerard Waters (49:55.163)
But we’re going to have to wait for the next presentation.

Gerard Waters (50:00.285)
Thank you.

Gerard Waters (50:05.648)
Thank you.

Ahmad (50:20.566)
And I did another couple of ones. I put a picture of a young Indian village girl up and I said, this young Indian village girl identifies as a Viking. And that was it, that’s all I said. And then I put a picture of a blood stained lion on and said, this lion identifies as a vegetarian. And you know, these posts were meant to just say, you can identify as anything you like, but it doesn’t change biological reality. Okay, that was a statement.

Gerard Waters (50:42.998)
Thank you.

Ahmad (50:50.434)
And okay, it’s a bit controversial, but is it a reason to refer me to the GMC and for fitness to practice? Seriously? Anyway, on another technical, on another technicality that, I know, let me just finish up quickly. On another technicality, I can’t really go into it again because it’s a legal issue going on. And the other private hospital suspended me and then indefinitely kicked me out. And a couple of weeks ago,

Gerard Waters (50:54.223)
I’m not sure if you’re saying that I’m a socialist or not, but I really like the song, I was like, I’m not a socialist, but I’m a socialist. Well, of course not. But that isn’t the point.

Ahmad (51:18.034)
The last hospital that I was working at, I was working at a three, suspended me because, and started an investigation because of what my guest was saying on my podcast. I did a little clip, I put it on my Instagram, and they said, we don’t like the fact you put this clip up on Instagram, you know, it didn’t have context, it could be offensive to the staff or members of the public. So we’re investigating you. I responded, I said, forget your investigation, I don’t want anything to do you.

I’m not working with you anymore. Get lost. Save yourself the farce of an investigation where you’ve already decided what you’re gonna think. So I mean, we’ve got to this point where I am now financially ruined. My practice has been demolished. I physically cannot earn any money now as a surgeon. It’s done. Now the thing is, I’m not under any GMC investigation as far as I know, but it feels like it’s just a matter of time before they go, right, let’s discredit him. Let’s have a go at him.

Gerard Waters (52:02.319)
Thanks for watching!

Ahmad (52:17.782)
Let’s drag his name for the muck and the mud. So, I think there’s some similarities there. What do you think?

Gerard Waters (52:26.571)
There’s a massive similarity. Now, I’m neither going to say I agree or disagree with what your stance on various different things is because I’m very much on the COVID bandwagon, for want of a better word. That’s what I, I consider myself an expert now on the COVID, the pandemic, the pathogenicity, the vaccines. I have a fairly good

idea of the spike proteins, the insertions of the nucleotides, 19 nucleotides, you know, into the messenger RNA such that the pseudo-uridine put into these spikes. And, you know, like I’ve got a pretty good knowledge of the chemistry and the biochemistry.

Ahmad (53:16.046)
It’s not messenger RNA. It’s modified RNA.

Gerard Waters (53:19.799)
Well, yeah, that is something that it originally, it is a messenger RNA and the concept of the messenger RNA that goes into ribosome, they have shifted around to modified RNA and it’s both, but it is actually a messenger RNA. There are three different types of RNA and it is actually messenger RNA, but it is a modified.

Ahmad (53:47.409)
Let’s call it modified messenger RNA then. Yes.

Gerard Waters (53:50.959)
That’s right. It’s M.M. So there’s no there’s no correct term, but it is it is a synthetically altered viral messenger RNA that is put in by with the M. By a liposomes by a nanotechnology. There’s a lot of discussion on it. And I know because of the fact that you cannot trust any of the pharmaceutical companies.

to know what is put in. And then there’s contamination with DNA and there’s contamination with graphene. And there’s so much contamination due to the speed at which they produce these killer shots. It doesn’t really matter. At the end of the day, it’s all highly illegal. And it was all done for a virus with the pathogenicity less than a mild winter flu.

That is a fact. So as I said on my Twitter yesterday, if one person died from a viral, from the messenger RNA assault, it was a murder because there was never any need for it in the first place. You don’t need a million people. You don’t need a genocide. One person murdered by, you know, one direct murder.

Ahmad (54:50.414)
Hmm. Yeah.

Ahmad (55:06.062)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (55:19.139)
from the use of the messenger RNA or the MMRNA. And it was a hoax. I know I was on the front line. I know what people were dying. Well, on the 27th of March, 2020, we got out a letter telling us to in effect, switch the cause of deaths from everything to COVID.

And even if the GPs, and this is why I say the GPs were the principal traitors to the people, because we knew, we knew people were not dying of COVID. We knew it. Every GP knew it. And every GP should have known had they done their due diligence, should have known that the PCR test wasn’t worth a damn. So the GPs are the principal traitors.

Ahmad (56:11.83)
I want to ask you something. So I’m a little bit upset and angry with my colleagues. A little bit, a little bit. You know, I think negative emotions aren’t great, but sometimes they’re necessary. I think, you know, society needs a little bit more fire in their belly. There’s too many people who are just walking zombies. You know, they just take shit and don’t do anything about it. I mean, my principles in life are, first, do no harm, but don’t take any shit, right? Two, don’t take any shit. And, you know, I…

I’m upset with my colleagues because I think a lot of them should have known better. We should have been the guardians of medical ethics. And when it came to the crunch, when it really mattered, when we were tested, we failed. And even if just 10% of us stood up and said, this is bullshit, the whole thing would have collapsed. It couldn’t have gone ahead. I mean, what do you think about that?

Gerard Waters (57:03.619)
So no truth.

Totally correct, and I’ve said this, and particularly here in Ireland, the Irish have a diaspora. There’s something like 49 million people in the world claim they are Irish or have Irish descent. I was in New Zealand there a few years ago, and they were on a beach, and some kids came up and we spoke to them and said, oh, where are you from, we’re Irish. They were excited that they’d actually met real Irish people on this beach in New Zealand.

Ahmad (57:32.878)
Ha ha ha!

Gerard Waters (57:33.739)
And they ran back to their parents and said, look, because their great grand grandfather had been sent out there on a prison ship or something. And so what I’m saying is we had it, we would be known as the islands of saints and scholars. And and we were never we were never part are never we’re always dominated. We were never part of an empire. We weren’t going to empire build.

many Irish fought for England and Britain, that this is a different topic altogether. But the diaspora was hugely respected around the world. And I said on a number of occasions, if only 10 percent of us, if 200 doctors in Ireland had actually stood up and said no. And I know for a fact that there were 200 doctors who were not, you know,

prepared to give the vaccine and not prepared to go down the road, but they hadn’t got the courage to stand up and say no. And this is the great shame. If Ireland had stopped it, we could have stopped the whole thing in its tracks. Because, because indeed, well, I don’t know, maybe the Scots, maybe the Scots would think the same way. But I happen to believe that the Irish diaspora is so large and so sort of respected around the world that we partly because we were never.

empire builders, that we never dominated anybody, we never invaded anybody. And, you know, so I kind of think that 200 of us, 150, maybe 50 of us could have stopped it. And the funny thing is when I spoke to doctors, it was kind of a shrug of a shoulders, you’re taking this all a bit too seriously. My center, there is no, look at that, my impression.

back in early spring of 2020, it was that kind of, ah, keep your head down, this will all sort of just wash away, it’ll wash over, you forget about it, don’t be getting yourself too upset about it. And somehow or other I knew that this wasn’t just another ridiculous and headless chicken, it just wasn’t a headless chicken response on the part of the Irish government or the ICGP or the

Gerard Waters (59:56.439)
Department of Health or the Medical Council. I knew there was something sinister and worse than that going on. So as I say, I fought it. I fought it from literally from February, 2020 all the way through. And I never gave an inch and I’m still not giving an inch. And

Ahmad (01:00:14.574)
Have you had, mate, I love your warrior spirit, honestly, you’re a proper street fighter. Tell me something, have you had any support from your GP colleagues or any of the doctors? Have any of them reached out to you and said…

Gerard Waters (01:00:20.384)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (01:00:24.807)
Oh yeah, there’s a few. A smattering of them, a smattering, five or six. But unfortunately, you see, this goes back then to sort of your belief of what it was all about. I believe that it was a psychop, you know, a psychological operation and in fact that the COVID, the coronavirus that was blamed on it had very, very little effect, had genuinely was causing little or no effect. So I wouldn’t go down the Ivermectin road.

I refused to go down the Ivan Mecton Road. Yeah, so the rest of it, yeah. So I felt that by going down the Ivan Mecton Road, you were giving it credibility. You were accepting that there was a virus out there that required intervention. I wouldn’t go down that road. With the result that I felt, I would most of my colleagues who were kind of importing the stuff and bringing it in by the pallet load, that’s an exaggeration, of course, but they’d gone down the Ivan Mecton Road.

Ahmad (01:00:52.97)
Yeah, me too. Me too, me too. This bullshit.

Ahmad (01:01:03.566)
100% you’re validating it. Yes

Gerard Waters (01:01:21.699)
to cure it, but I was getting 100% cure rate by just doing what I’d done for the previous 40 years, which was examine my patients.

Ahmad (01:01:30.494)
Yeah, I know. Listen, I’m with you. I think a lot of people who bang on about early treatment, early treatment, I think it validates this idea that there was a pandemic and there’s this deadly virus.

Gerard Waters (01:01:39.367)
It does, yeah. I’ve said that to McCull on a Zoom meeting and said, but how can you diagnose, how can you say you cured anything if you’ve no diagnosis? The PCR is no diagnosis, PCR does not diagnose the presence of the virus very well. Well, that went down. My recollection was that he just brushed it off, and I think the moderator,

Ahmad (01:01:49.718)
How did that go down?

Ahmad (01:01:58.165)
How did that go down? Yeah.

Gerard Waters (01:02:07.791)
is kind of said, oh, yeah, we’ve got to move on, we’ve got to move on, you know, because when you bring on a guest onto these Zoom meetings, you know, you have to be respectful to them. Nothing by my thinking. But like, if somebody, if I present myself here to you, Ahmed, you have the right to take my head off. You have no obligation to protect me from my stupidity or my error. In fact, if you can actually get a hold, if you can drill a hole through my arguments, go for it, boy. Please do.

Ahmad (01:02:40.166)
I’ll just get my drill ready. Um, no, I don’t want to do that. I don’t want to do that. Um,

Gerard Waters (01:02:45.139)
and Yes, I know but I expect you to I expect you to if you if you think I’m wrong about anything hit me with it, please

Ahmad (01:02:54.09)
No, I think the only thing that you suffer from is, you know, your sense of humor is like… Hahahaha! Hehehe! No, I think you’re spot on!

Gerard Waters (01:03:05.996)
The only thing I’m very wrong about, I’m very wrong about, it’s a perversion in effect, isn’t it? And not worthy of a medical doctor.

Ahmad (01:03:12.414)
It is, it’s… No. Do you know what I think it is? I think I’ve realized what it is, my friend. I think it’s the fact that we’re both very much rooted to our working class background. You know, I grew up in a really rough part of Glasgow. I’m telling you right now, I don’t know about you, but I didn’t go to med school thinking I was better than people. I didn’t become a surgeon and think I’m better than other people.

Gerard Waters (01:03:27.431)
Oh absolutely, absolutely. And absolutely no doubt about that. No doubt about that.

Ahmad (01:03:41.11)
I thought actually I don’t belong here. I don’t, I had, how did they let me into this place? I think they’ll catch me out one day and say, what are you doing here? You don’t belong here. You’re not, you’re not one of us.

Gerard Waters (01:03:45.516)
Yeah.

Yeah. I thought I thought it was a fraud. I actually thought I had a nightmare. I had a recurrent nightmare. Yes. And it was only when the forensic psychiatrist explained it to me. This is going to sound terrible when I tell it. But she says, I actually felt going through medicine was too bloody easy. And I thought I was cheating all the way. Because because it just seemed too easy.

Ahmad (01:03:54.814)
Yes! Imposter syndrome.

Ahmad (01:04:13.512)
Yes!

Gerard Waters (01:04:18.335)
Surely, this should be much more difficult. Surely I should have to study more. See, I’m dyslexic and I have ADHD and I’m dyslexic. Now you can probably see that I’ve got ADHD in the sense that I can’t stay easy. But I’m dyslexic in the sense, well, dyslexia meant that right through college, I had to understand what every lecture was about.

Ahmad (01:04:24.682)
You’re just like me.

Gerard Waters (01:04:41.471)
I had to understand the nuts and bolts of it, the mechanics of it. And see, I’m very, very mechanically minded. I can take an engine together and pull it back together, and put it back with most parts present when I’m finished. Only a couple of small things left over. But the I had to when I listened to lectures, I had to understand them. So I sat bold upright in the lecture theatre, whereas everybody else was in a fetal position writing notes.

Ahmad (01:05:10.39)
Yes. Oh my God, stop. Just stop. Stop talking for a second. Stop talking. Listen, listen. One, I’m a bit disappointed in you labeling yourself. You’re better than that. I’m dyslexic. I’m this and that. Come on. Just enough of that nonsense. Just admit it. You’re a smart guy, right? You’re a smart guy. Look, I was just like you. I flew through med school thinking, what, you know, what, what’s the issue?

Gerard Waters (01:05:11.996)
So I was sitting there.

Gerard Waters (01:05:21.925)
Hahaha!

Ahmad (01:05:35.358)
And just like you, everyone in the lecture theater was busy writing. You know, the girls had the multicolored pencils and pens. They’re making lovely, neat notes. I never made any goddamn notes. I was either sleeping or listening. Sleeping, listening, sleeping, listening.

Gerard Waters (01:05:36.419)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (01:05:47.509)
Yeah, but I couldn’t read my notes.

Gerard Waters (01:05:53.403)
I couldn’t read my notes anyway if I took them. I was incapable of reading them. So I had to understand anything. So I pulled the lectures up, or the professors up, and say, look, I don’t follow where this is going. Whether this was the Krebs cycle, or whether it was, you know, polyanaphritis, I would pull the lectures up and say, I don’t really get this. This doesn’t follow.

Ahmad (01:05:56.423)
Yeah!

Gerard Waters (01:06:19.379)
So I think people thought I was attention seeking, but in effect, with the result, by my learning method was such that I still remember the Krebs cycle. I still remember, you know, the sort of ATPase, you know, the transfer of the ATPase to the ADPase and all, and the sort of enzymes in between.

Ahmad (01:06:32.642)
Love it.

Gerard Waters (01:06:48.847)
But as I say, I don’t, I remember the principles. I remember how it all works with the result that.

Ahmad (01:06:53.742)
The mitochondrial powerhouse. Yeah, no, I get that, I get that. No, no, I think…

Gerard Waters (01:06:57.643)
Yeah, so I was very, I was very, I was very lucky in that way. Yeah, so what happened anyway? So I brazed my way through college with a wife and two children, I’d say, living in a caravan and that and all the others were working. Like, as soon as the exam started, I rushed back up the road. That’s right. Oh, very proud of it, yeah. But the…

Ahmad (01:07:01.982)
I think we’re very similar. Yeah.

Ahmad (01:07:17.774)
I mean, you’re literally trailer trash. You were literally trailer trash.

Ahmad (01:07:26.066)
Me too. This is, I’m proud. I’m proud of my working class roots. Seriously, I identify with working class people.

Gerard Waters (01:07:26.831)
I brush back.

Gerard Waters (01:07:32.299)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you see, that’s why you say, why are we different? We’re different because we, I felt privileged. I said this at the start of the program. I felt privileged to be allowed into people’s lives, you know, for, you know, a little working class guy with no aspirations, but a JCB driver initially, then to turn around and end up being allowed into your life.

Ahmad (01:07:41.664)
Yes.

Gerard Waters (01:08:02.207)
was such a privilege and I loved it. Absolutely loved it. And, but as I say, it’s, sorry.

Ahmad (01:08:04.341)
Yes.

Did you not?

Do you not think every day you just felt, did you not feel like every day you were just honored? You’re honored that people let you help them and treat them. Especially as a surgeon for me, having someone put their body, their limb in my hands and let me open them up and close them up. I was honored. It was such a privilege.

Gerard Waters (01:08:17.067)
Absolutely.

Gerard Waters (01:08:22.367)
Yeah. That’s right, yeah.

Gerard Waters (01:08:30.123)
Yeah, but you were, but that’s the point, you were, it wasn’t that you felt it, you were privileged to be allowed to do that. And I used to explain, I try to explain to people, if you’re on your way home some day and somebody falls off their bicycle and you intervene and you pick them up off the road and you wrapped your scarf around their bleeding knee or something like that, you’d go home on a high. You say, yeah, I did some good today.

Ahmad (01:08:55.92)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (01:08:59.751)
I was a good Samaritan, I did something good today. I got that every day. Every day I had the occasion to help somebody and I appreciated that. And I think that is probably where, yeah, you know, maybe you should argue that nobody above such a socio-economic grouping

Ahmad (01:09:05.432)
Hmm.

Gerard Waters (01:09:28.435)
I think that is the lucky thing that I had and obviously the lucky thing that you had that made you appreciate the situation. Now, whether that directly contributes to my stand against COVID and my stand against the vaccine, I don’t know. I think to an extent. See, the other thing in 08, the…

when the economic collapse came, I took over all my own pensions and start managing my own pensions. So I had a very good handle on macroeconomics and that. And I’m totally convinced, I was totally convinced that the world just couldn’t continue. The Western world couldn’t continue the way it was going on. And with pension schemes, some of the municipal pension schemes in America, been financed to the tune of 27%. And I realized that something major had to happen.

And initially I thought that the COVID was actually an excuse to collapse the economy, which I think it still is an excuse to collapse the economy and sort of get over the fiscal policies where the politicians had promised so much on the basis that I won’t be around when the paper has to be paid. When the chickens come home to roost, I won’t be around anyway, was the political sort of belief.

Ahmad (01:10:31.534)
Mmm.

Gerard Waters (01:10:51.659)
And so I was fairly convinced that the whole thing was going to come a cropper at some stage economically. And then when COVID was introduced in 20, I thought, yeah, this is their excuse. This is the excuse they’re going to use. And they still are, they’re still using it. I hadn’t realized that it was more mendacious and more malicious and more evil than that, that in effect it was an attempt.

to cut down the population by, I don’t know, I think you’re trying to cut the population by 20, 30%. I think Bill Gates has said that, the 30% reduction in world population. This is Malthusian idea that the world is overpopulated. Of course, the world is not overpopulated. The world, it’s just the maldistribution of wealth is the problem. The world can carry the population, probably another five,

billion people if the wealth were properly. And there’d be no need for five billion people if the poor weren’t forced to think that they have to provide for themselves through a surviving child. That is the problem. The Western world is not increasing in population. It’s the third world is increasing in population, but that’s out of desperation.

I’m gonna starve if I don’t have a son or a daughter to look after.

Ahmad (01:12:22.15)
Yeah. So the thing is, I think it’s multifactorial. I’m not really convinced that there’s going to be a massive depopulation business. I’ll be honest with you. I’m not too convinced about that. I think, I think there’s a multifactorial things here. Jerry.

Gerard Waters (01:12:33.819)
Well, neither am I. Neither am I that convinced about it. I rather, I hope I’m wrong. I hope I’m wrong.

Ahmad (01:12:41.426)
Yeah, I think what’s going to be happening is there’s the issues of, hey, guess what? Let’s do a massive wealth grab. If you look what happened, the top, top 0.001% got immensely rich. Everyone else lost money. Pharmaceutical companies made a shit ton of money. Governments got to enforce stricter controls and grab more power.

you know, the who is going to become even bigger. You’ve got this shift towards a one world government. I think there’s multifactorial things going on here. I think the economy’s crashing. The Ponzi scheme is going to come to an end. The central bankers know that. So they’re going to get the digital currencies in, the social credit system. I think there’s lots of things going on here, lots of things and it’s…

Gerard Waters (01:13:31.155)
Oh yeah, oh there is, there is. It’s all reached a sort of zenith, you know, at the same state, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s there, you know, and again I do believe that the vaccines are intended to reduce the world population. I can’t get that out of my head. And I put it this way, I would much, much

Ahmad (01:13:37.759)
Yeah.

Gerard Waters (01:13:59.531)
massive numbers of my friends have been vaccinated. I don’t want that to happen. But I can’t see, I can’t see any other rationale for injecting in a messenger or an MMRNA for a virus that everybody knew had a very, very low pathogenicity. There’s no rationale at all. Why would they do it? They knew and they did.

Ahmad (01:14:18.746)
Yeah.

Ahmad (01:14:26.732)
Yep.

Gerard Waters (01:14:28.439)
The fact that in fact, you know, that, you know, I just don’t know. I don’t have the answers. And I wish, I wish I wasn’t, I wasn’t thinking these ways. I wish I wasn’t waking up in the mornings with kind of, I don’t get panic attacks, but with this horrible feeling, oh damn, I had a terrible dream. I wish that didn’t happen, but unfortunately that’s, that’s where I am.

Ahmad (01:14:29.452)
Right.

Ahmad (01:14:33.034)
Yep, yep, yep.

Ahmad (01:14:52.23)
Right, my friend, I need to wrap up soon. Can I ask you something? If you’re on your deathbed, what advice would you give all your family around you and before you pass on, health or otherwise?

Gerard Waters (01:14:58.531)
Go Yanks!

Gerard Waters (01:15:10.755)
I suppose to an extent that there are certain things that I would say to them. Remember for evil to prosper, all that’s required is good men do nothing. That is, that is just always remember that. So that if you think evil, evil is about do something. The other thing I would say is take responsibility for your actions.

Ahmad (01:15:24.877)
Hmm

Gerard Waters (01:15:41.508)
take responsibilities but also take credit for your positive actions.

Develop. If you’re going to pass anything on to your children, pass on a work ethic.

Ahmad (01:15:56.256)
Yes.

Gerard Waters (01:15:56.795)
And again, I’d say to them, to children, never ever think you’re better than anybody else, but never ever think you’re less than anybody else. That you are as good as, yeah, you know, you’re no better than anybody else, but you’re no worse than anybody else. So there’s, yeah, like there’s a thousand ideas that I have, philosophical ideas that I have.

Ahmad (01:16:08.747)
I love that!

Gerard Waters (01:16:24.171)
You see, this is the thing, I’ve been around long enough to actually work a lot of these things out. And, you know, but I think it’s important to take responsibility for your actions, both good and bad. So when I turn around and say I’m absolutely great, and I was fabulous about that, that’s not being arrogant and bragging. That’s about being honest in the same way as I say, oh, shit, but I made an awful mess of that.

Ahmad (01:16:33.407)
Yes.

Ahmad (01:16:49.662)
Do you know what I say to people? I say to people, I’m not below anyone and I’m not above anyone. I think that’s what you’re just saying.

Gerard Waters (01:16:57.155)
That’s right. Yeah. But it’s important for your kids. It’s important for your kids to go through life that way. And you see, that’s a problem of bringing up kids in my situation. I was one of sort of three GPs in town and everybody you say, Oh, but you’re wealthy, you know, and my kids used to come to me and say, Oh, but we’re wealthy. I said, no, I’m wealthy. You’re poor. And I’m wealthy because I work really, really hard. And when you work as hard as I am, when you work as really, really hard as I have done, then you will be wealthy.

Ahmad (01:17:20.376)
Ha ha!

Gerard Waters (01:17:27.783)
And that didn’t go down very well with the kids. I’ve always thought, I’ve always given my kids, I didn’t send my kids to private schools. I went to the local schools. And I’ve always thought, and I’ve always worked on the principle that I give them what they need, but not what they want. That’s been kind of difficult because it’s always difficult to railing kids from a position of affluence. Now, they would probably turn around and say, I’m a miserable old bastard. But at the end of the day, they end up being thankful for the fact that I did give them an endeavor to give them a work ethic.

Ahmad (01:17:35.918)
same.

Ahmad (01:17:58.226)
I love it. I love it. Jerry, I really enjoyed talking to you, my friend. Really have. I wish you all the best. Thank you. Thank you. I’m sorry for insulting you.

Gerard Waters (01:18:06.044)
Yeah, well I thoroughly enjoyed what happened to you.

Gerard Waters (01:18:11.339)
Anyway, I’ve no doubt we’ve been in touch again because this was a nice fireside chat over a pint and we’ll do it again, I hope.

Ahmad (01:18:21.106)
Yeah, well if you’re ever over here in the UK, you need to come and visit me.

Gerard Waters (01:18:26.307)
Absolutely. Or if you decide to pass through Kildare at some stage, you give me a shout.

Ahmad (01:18:32.734)
Love it. Everyone listening, I really hope you enjoyed this. That was Jerry Waters, amazing ethical GP out in Ireland. Bat shit crazy, but an amazing human being. Jerry, I love you, man. Bye bye.

Gerard Waters (01:18:49.003)
Okay, thanks very much. Bye bye.