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Ahmad (00:01.298)
Okay, Paul Alexander. Listen, I just want to let you know, I’ve had amazing feedback about our last podcast. I’ve been getting messages every hour, basically, saying that was amazing, that conversation with Paul, he’s a legend. I love Paul Alexander. And yeah, I think you should know that, by the way.

Dr. Paul Alexander (00:24.392)
Well, I mean, I appreciate any support. And I’m just one of the soldiers, so to speak, in the fight with you and with others. And in this, where we had a horrid four years with this COVID, in my opinion, and I know in several other people’s opinions, it’s still not to be like a huge mess fraud. And in other words, if you look at people today and you ask yourself,

What was the value added for COVID? What did people gain societally? And it really frightens you when you realize, I give you an example. I had no vaccine, none. I worked in hot COVID because when COVID emerged, I lived in Toronto, Canada, and I lived in a part of Canada called Markham, part of Toronto called Markham in Toronto, Ontario.

It probably has the largest immigrant Chinese population in the world. And everybody was infected. It was like ground zero for COVID in Canada and the world. It actually, so that the listener understands what I’m talking about, when we dealt with SARS-1 in 2003, 2002, 2003, it is Toronto, Canada, in Ontario, the province, who registered the most deaths of a first world city.

So it was a combination we realized of poor training in medical schools as to how to handle these issues because third world cities and settings did not experience deaths, but Canada did. Toronto specifically about 44 deaths. So there’s a serious systemic problem there, but more importantly, when I saw in this COVID situation, coronavirus in January, February, 2020, it was like ground zero. And I was there.

And then I moved to Trump administration and I can tell you that when I got to Washington, they put me up in places that were designated as COVID hospitals, COVID hotels. So we were exposed to hot COVID. I made a decision upfront that only when I had to, if I was going next to a vulnerable high risk person or if meeting required it, because there was some that did not, I would not wear a mask.

Dr. Paul Alexander (02:52.484)
and I would go about life as normal. I would not do any lockdowns. So I did none. And because of my status in Canada and in the United States, I could have, they allow me to move across the border back and forth with no restrictions. I did not have to quarantine. So what I’m trying to say is I was exposed to the legacy COVID from day one, every minute of every day, in my face, because many times people were sick. And I knew it.

and I could not get out of the situation I was in. Tight positions in elevators, all sorts of crazy situations. And I had no vaccine, my entire family, everybody in my orbit, and no one died, no one got severely ill, no one is vaccinated, zero. So the question is this, this is the question. What are they trying to tell me is that

We have a segment of the population that you convince that you scared because we knew the data that from 75 years old to zero, your risk of survival, your chance of survival, once you were not a gravely ill person, so you were reasonably healthy. Of course, people will have high blood pressure and issues at 70 or 75, but if you were healthy, you do not have advanced cardiovascular illness, renal disease, cancers, all these issues.

your chance of survival was 100%. So we knew that. So we did not have to lock the society down. We could have used an age risk stratified approach based on your risk, based on your age. We take measures at that point. Outside of that, if you were low risk, not an elderly person, not with high risk conditions, you should have lived your life normally. And I did. And I’m trying to tell you, I did zero.

Nothing they said to do I did I did it deliberately and I’ll do it again And I did not get ill. I did not get severely ill I’m living I didn’t take the shots. I will never take the shots Point being is how come there’s me and people like me and there’s you who took six shots That’s the point. The point is you did something they convinced you to lock them They convinced you to open your life. They hurt you

Ahmad (05:02.346)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (05:16.328)
They took you out of the workplace, they fired you, they laid you off, and they made you take a vaccine that you have spike protein in you 24-7 now, and you want it out because you didn’t listen. Some of you had to fly and some of you had to work. So you felt you had to understand that too. And you were scared for your kids, but it was all a lie. And that’s the bottom line. And I live to tell, to tell you that you have to hold them accountable at the ballot box.

You have to punish them in the ballot box. And we have to take them in legal tribunals. We must take them in tribunals and make sure if it take us 50 more years, that we punish them and we get accountability of all the Fauci’s, all of them in England, all in Sage, in CDC, NIH, at Health Canada in Canada, in Australia, that Arden Prime Minister in New Zealand, we punish them if we have to jail them. If judges and juries say…

that these people’s COVID actions and policies will reckless and dangerous and uninformed. And they can’t say uninformed because we gave them the data. The data was clear that we had, that they had. So if their decision-making was just like ex-cathedra, they were in the bus, so you have to do what I say. They could not be that stupid. There was some level of malevolence or sickness and psychopathy in these people.

If judges say that they costed lives, we imprison them. We imprison them and we don’t be afraid and we take every cent, clean them out financially and then we put them in a jail. We have to do that to send a message this time because they’re going to do it to you again.

Ahmad (00:00.758)
Paul, listen, absolutely everything you’ve just said, I agree with. I mean, to be honest, I saw this comment from one of the listeners to our show. And to be honest, it was a little bit sad, cause what they were saying was, look, watch the big short, fraud, and no one went to prison. Watch dark waters, they poisoned the planet, and no one went to prison. He goes, watch taking your pills and the opioid crisis.

no one went to prison. Look at 9-11 and that, no one went to prison. Look at all the false flags and fake wars in the Middle East and millions of people died. No one went to prison. And this listener is saying basically, look, the massive plandemic, math experimental vaccination and harms that we’ve done, unless people, like you just said, go to court, are sued and end up in prison time and find

to the max, nothing’s gonna change. It’s just same, same. Cause these things keep happening again and again. And it’s either all gonna come out in the next few years, it’s either all gonna come out and see the light of day and people are gonna be punished or guess what, and we win or we lose. It’s that simple. Nothing changes. And I kind of have to agree with that. But anyway, listen, moving on, I’ve got a few questions I wanna ask you. The first question is,

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:28.11)
Of course.

Ahmad (01:28.19)
I want some definitions. So I know you worked for the US government, health and human services department. You’re a senior advisor. Um, now where does the NIH fit in? What is HHS? Is that like the department of health here in the UK? Is that the main government body for the US looking after health and healthcare? Human health and human services.

I mean, can you just give me a little explanation of the structure out there in the States?

Dr. Paul Alexander (02:03.886)
Sure. So good question. And I’ll put it to you this way in layman’s terms. Health and Human Services is like your Ministry of Health and your Minister of Health is like the Secretary who and where I served was Alex Azar. We all reported to Alex and his office was just down the hall from where I, my office.

So Health and Human Services is the umbrella organization in the United States government. And so you can say it’s a department pretty much. Underneath Health and Human Services, so it’s supposed to have a broad mandate, everything to do with health, human services, so everything to do with hospitals, funding, CMS, every single thing falls under HHS in the United States. So for example,

CDC as a public health agency reports to Health and Human Services. The NIH, National Institutes of Health, reports to Health and Human Services. NIAID, National Institutes of Allergies, Infectious Diseases reports. FDA, Food and Drug Administration reports. So, and important to the pandemic was this, that the Trump administration made it such that

In the Health and Human Services building, it’s a 200 Independence Avenue. That’s where my office was. It’s opposite the Congress. So if you look outside your window, you can see the Congressional dome building. There are tunnels between my building and the Congress. And across Washington, high security tunnels. You couldn’t get down in there. There’s military and armed police.

Heavy security. So nobody should ever try and breach there. It used to take me hell to get into my own office building, HHS, with all of the screening, and then to move around between the buildings. Why is it set up so? It’s because a lot of the people at HHS are called to Congress almost every day for hearings because they want money, CDC, FDA. So they have different hearings every day.

Dr. Paul Alexander (04:31.162)
Maybe for if there’s rioting and protesting above ground on the street, these high level officials as well as the Congress, people who come to HHS building too for meetings, they don’t have to come across the street. They can come through the tunnels below. So there’s direct links from that building to Congress. And what they did was Trump and they set up sub-offices of the CDC. It’s not just the CDC reports, the Health and Human Services.

During COVID, they actually put a miniature office of CDC in the HHS building, one for FDA, et cetera. So on a day-to-day basis, I, because of my role, dealt with people like Dr. Robert Redfield, who is the director of the CDC, Dr. Stephen Hahn, who is the commissioner in the FDA, Dr. Brett Gira, who headed all of the testing, et cetera. All of these individuals.

worked in my building. In other words, they would go back so that Redfield could go back to Atlanta where the CDC main head office is. But during COVID, they organized it so he and his sub staff and his support staff would spend his days in the HHS building, not in Atlanta, so that he could get to President Trump, he could get to those podium addresses every day, and he could cross the street.

to the Congress to give hearings because they were being called almost every day. So during COVID, HHS actually had all of those agencies in that building. All of the heads of the agencies were in that building working. So it was actually a more efficient system. But yes, to answer your question, all of those agencies in America, all of those alphabet agencies, health agencies, report.

they fall under health and human services.

Ahmad (06:35.29)
Great, that was a really clear answer. I mean, so it just goes to show you that your role in HHS, you know, I mean, you were in the top tier that looks over all of these other organizations. Now, like how important was your role? Were you just some tiny little, you know, stamp kind of person who just does admin and photocopies, makes coffee for people?

or you’re a little bit higher up in the food chain, what was your role and how did you get in there in the first place?

Dr. Paul Alexander (07:14.19)
So first of all, when I did get to Washington and I did go to Health and Human Services Building, which I’ll explain quickly, I thought my role was not really a senior role because everything happened so fast. I was in Toronto, I got a call. They said it’s from the White House, it’s from the government, it’s from the Oval Office. They would like you to join HHS.

behind the scenes of the task force, blah, and come to DC. And I thought, you know, I actually thought in the beginning everybody, they were punking me because, you know, I came from the islands and a little part of Caribbean island. I mean, I have, I know I’m highly educated, blah, blah. At that point, Ahmed, you should know that the year before that,

Actually time before, because I worked for the World Health Organization in 2008 as a regional epidemiologist for Europe. In 2019, World Health Organization slash Pan American Health in Washington had asked me to head up a training program in basic epidemiology and evidence-based medicine, et cetera, for low and middle income countries as part of the World Health Organization.

as part of the UN system. So June 2019, that’s what I was doing with my director and building this to help educate doctors and scientists and researchers in developing countries on bread and butter epidemiology and research, how to conduct basic research, et cetera. Then when COVID read its head starting in around December 2019, which

I have argued and we began to show that COVID actually was circulating years before. But let’s go with their timeline. We began to get reports 2019. So back, so around then, December, WHO slash power, Pan American Health Organization asked me to change my role. The project was actually coming to a close and I had already completed it. And they would keep me.

Dr. Paul Alexander (09:34.254)
as a WHO employee. I was not just a consultant and I would be their pandemic advisor. So I didn’t really understand initially what did my boss mean, but it became clear that WHO had no infrastructure in place to deal with this new coronavirus that they said was emerging in Italy and China at that point Lombardy.

and that they wanted people and they had no access to people with my sorts of skill sets in evidence-based medicine in terms of being able to take massive amounts of data and information and put it together in a very succinct, cogent manner so that you could try and make sense of massive amounts of information because nobody understood what was happening with this corona and we didn’t know if there were treatments. We didn’t know.

Ahmad (10:27.018)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (10:32.094)
how to mitigate and what would be the response, you know, would we have hospitals, temporary hospitals set up all of the issues. So so my task was as an evidence synthesis person where I was leading this little office with a staff of two where we were putting together anything that China put out, anything Italy put out, anything anybody put out.

and then rolling it up to the Director General of WHO, and that was being disseminated to the globe. Needless to say, nobody knew what was taking place. It was a lot of confusion initially, if you could recall at the beginning. Around March, the United States, I think it was March 15, President Trump imposed it first. The lockdown began around March 15, March 16. And just after the lockdown, and they set up their task force,

That task force you saw every day of Fauci books, Redfield, Hahn, Jura, all of the Jerome Adams on that stage of the day, they struck up around April a month after that. I had been writing a lot about coronavirus, writing a lot about early treatments and there was a lot of controversy then about hydroxychloroquine.

So I was writing about hydroxychloroquine. My approach as an evidence-based scientist in medicine is I was looking constantly at the quality of the evidence. And right away I saw after about three months of COVID that the research that was being put out, the research that was being registered in terms of clinical trials at different parties across the world said they were gonna conduct all of the observation studies. They were such low quality.

such garbage junk research science. And I, as a pure evidence-based medicine researcher, I began to write that we can’t really trust now anything that the scientific community is going to tell us because the research is such garbage, it’s junk. And then people were putting out a lot of research on hydroxychloroquine. And my argument too was that we don’t know either which way whether hydroxychloroquine.

Dr. Paul Alexander (12:56.77)
has a role or plays a role or is effective. It seems to be working, it may be working, it may not be working. The research that has been put out is such junk. It’s actually hindering our ability to make decisions. Long, short of it is that that’s when the government of United States, White House people had reached out to me and said, you know, para, I’m just paraphrasing a lot, that, you know.

We’ve seen the Oval Office have seen stuff that you’ve said, what you’ve been writing and things you’re saying, and you would be of great service to the President and the President needs somebody like you. And this is the exact conversation. The President needs somebody like you who can be an interface between the task force, which is Fauci and the Oval Office. Because basically I’ll tell it to you, the way it was explained to me is Trump didn’t trust none of them. And Trump was…

Ahmad (13:21.775)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (13:50.126)
Trump is a very smart guy. He technically is very smart. And he was reading a lot of the stuff that they were giving to him. And he wasn’t completely sold on a lot of the issues. And him and his people, especially at HHS, they needed someone who, A, not necessarily supported President Trump politically, although I did, I have to be full disclosure, and I still do. But B, who would not lie to him?

who would not lie to, who would not spin anything. Just tell us the situation. Fauci just said this, what does that mean? Tell it to us because we need to make a decision. So my job then when I arrived at HHS, it became clear I was given a role, a position of senior pandemic advisor to the assistant secretary of HHS. Both of us and the team that I worked in reported just next door to Alex Azar, who was the secretary.

So we were all working together. And my job was to sit in on meetings, to attend conversations, to give my position on policy.

Dr. Paul Alexander (15:05.334)
But it was more complex than that because it became apparent as I arrived at the deep state entity within Washington, within the government, for all intents and purposes, to hurt Trump because everything that they did and because I was there, I am probably the only person that could comment on the deep state, working in a deep state and what they were doing to President Trump because they worked every day, every single day conspired against him to harm him.

to damage his pandemic. They were conducting a pandemic response to fail. I want you to understand how I just said it. What Fauci and Bergson they were doing is almost like Harry Carrey.

Ahmad (15:36.436)
Right, hold on one second.

Ahmad (15:42.678)
Hold on a sec, hold on a sec. Hold on. No, no, I, I.

Ahmad (15:52.286)
Right, so what I want to ask you, what I want to ask you, yeah I’m there, what I want to ask you is, so the Assistant Secretary, you’re the Senior Advisor to the Senior Assistant Secretary, does that mean you were the Senior Advisor to the number two at HHS?

Dr. Paul Alexander (15:53.046)
Are you there?

Dr. Paul Alexander (16:10.73)
Yes, yes, and we reported, let me say it this way, we had, I had a, we had a straight line reporting to Azar and a dotted line reporting to the Oval Office directly. So in other words, my boss and I would sit in meetings with him, would be speaking directly into the Oval Office, directly to…

Ahmad (16:14.175)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (16:37.902)
to the chief of staff directly to the decision makers. And I would say directly to President Trump too, but if people ask me about the nature of the conversations and what I cannot say because, I have all these non-disclosure agreements too, but more importantly, a president must have a certain level of executive privilege, meaning whatever he discusses with people should not be public discussion unless.

The president wants to make it public. It’s like President Biden. I may not support his politics, but I have, I’m not against President Biden in the sense that I don’t think he’s good for America. And I do have a lot of liberals that I’m friends with, and I do know that there are liberals in the past, and maybe even still today, who would do a bang-up job for America, but not the present ones in government. They’re harming America.

But what I’m trying to say is Biden must have some executive privilege. You may want a Republican today, may want to know what Biden is talking about with his staff or with other people, but that’s none of your business. He has executive privilege. He, you Ahmed in your home must have a private discussion with your family or your wife or your partner or whomever. It’s not your neighbor’s business. They may be interested and keen to want to know, but it’s not their business.

Ahmad (18:11.298)
So listen, then the next thing I wanna ask you is, you know, you talked about, I mean, this podcast is Paul Alexander unchained. I mean, we’re just going for it. We’re gonna talk about everything, no holes barred. So when you say you supported Trump, I’ll be honest with you, Phil, disclosure, I was a Trump supporter, but I’ve now changed my view in the sense that I don’t trust any politician, any politician.

And, you know, I’m skeptical that he is, I’m skeptical that he’s as free as we think. I wonder whether he’s just another actor. I’ll give you an example. You know, if I went through the shit that he went through with Russia, gay, and everything else, and all the sexual allegations, and everything, the emails, and whatever, you know, I would be so stressed out, I would have had a heart attack. You know, he came out of that presidency looking even better. I mean, it’s almost like he knew it was all just a joke.

Dr. Paul Alexander (18:40.419)
Tim.

Ahmad (19:08.818)
And you know what? He’s going to be fine. I don’t know how any human being could go through that amount of pressure and not crumble. I mean, I just don’t understand that. But anyway, moving that aside, say he is the real deal, right? Which I’m skeptical about, I’ll be honest with you. And tell me about how they were trying to undermine him. How was the deep state trying to? I mean, is it really the case or are you blinded by perhaps your loyalty and like fondness for him?

Or was there genuine attempts to try and undermine him? And in which, and then in what way were they trying to undermine his presidency? Can you explain that?

Dr. Paul Alexander (19:52.174)
Sure. So let me put it to you this way. Well, first of all, Deborah Birx, Dr. Birx on the task force, in her book, she said, she admitted, and she’s admitted in live interviews, that she deliberately withheld information from the Trump people, slow-walked information. And from my point of view, I don’t know how she has not been investigated so far because what she basically said was illegal to do.

In other words, she openly stated that she was undercutting or sitting present, and she was serving at the pleasure of the president. And she was serving in a senior level decision making position during a pandemic. So I think in the future, she may have some questions to answer legally. And I’ve always said that the effects of the lockdowns, the effects of this pandemic, the harms and the deaths,

school closures, business closures, falls at the feet of Fauci and Burkes. And he will record them as having committed one of the greatest crimes because Trump listened to them and he took their counsel because he was not a scientist or doctor. And he could not technically overrule them, although he could have. He could have fired them any minute he wanted. But you see, the problem people didn’t understand was that really was that

In January of 2020, President Trump was unstoppable in the sense that he was going to win re-election. Hands down. There was nobody in the Republican Party that could have primaried him, and no Democrat could have defeated him, even when we looked at Biden. Then, January 2020. But as a result of the pandemic response, particularly the lockdowns and the school closures, many of his supporters were harmed. They lost people.

The pandemic response was a disaster. And that’s why I said earlier that Harry Carrey was done by Fauci and Burks. They conducted the pandemic response to fail so that you would cast judgment, you the voter on Trump because Trump was the president. That’s how it works. So they knew what they were doing. Trump made them the lockdown czars and they used the lockdowns to harm society, harm businesses, harm people. And who got the blame? Trump.

Dr. Paul Alexander (22:14.102)
Trump lost a lot of votes in the election, and he is likely not president, partly because of stolen votes and how the lockdowns were conducted. People blamed him and his most ardent supporters are would be fooled still today to be running around like chickens with a piece of paper in their hands. Say, look, they stole votes here. Yes, yes, we get that.

But the pandemic response was a disaster. It was his task force, his lockdowns, his, his operation warp speed. I’m not blaming him for it. And I want him reelected because I-

Ahmad (22:54.295)
So-

Bye!

Ahmad (22:59.946)
I know, but listen, Paul, you’ve just said it was his lockdown, it was his everything. You know, he should have known better, and he needs to take responsibility for that, because like you just said, it was his task force, his czars, his lockdowns. You know, if he was skeptical, he should have done something about it. He needs to take responsibility for that. It was pure judgment. You said he could have sacked Fauci.

Dr. Paul Alexander (23:16.227)
Yes.

Dr. Paul Alexander (23:27.638)
Yep. Good.

Ahmad (23:29.75)
You know, things progressed. He could have seen over the months Fauci sabotaging me, Fauci sneering at me, Fauci’s fracking things up for me. You know, I’ve had enough of this. But even to this day, recently he’s talking about, he’s boasting about his warp speed and how the vaccines have saved people. I mean, like, he’s either delusional or he’s lying. Like, what is it? I mean, he needs to take, people need to take responsibility.

Dr. Paul Alexander (23:30.936)
Yes.

Dr. Paul Alexander (23:52.098)
Perfect. Good.

Dr. Paul Alexander (23:57.73)
Okay, first of all, Ahmed, first of all, this is a good person. You need to understand what the press did, maligning him and mischaracterizing. This person loves his country and will defend America first. I can’t point to many Democrats who will do the same. I can’t even point to Republicans for sure or even some conservatives. Trump is that person. Now, his issue, and I mean…

Who the hell are you and I and other people to be talking about a person in the third person? Like if people were talking about me, I would say, well, are you a nut? Speak to me direct. So unless you speak to Trump direct, you will never really get a real clear understanding of him. But from what I knew and what I saw, this is a benevolent person to America. Many parties, many people in power are malevolent and they harm America.

Ahmad (24:37.998)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (24:57.89)
His problem is that in the pandemic, remember in January of 2020, everybody short of Jesus was gonna vote for Trump. And we were seeing that by the internal polls. Everybody was happy. The unemployment rate was 3.4%. All of these different groups, black Americans, women, Latinos, everyone was working. Three and four jobs, they could have changed jobs. Everybody’s 401k was nice.

He had China on his knees. If you remember, he had just sorted out the embassy in Israel, all these different issues. Okay? And militarily, America was feeling great again, as it should be, the most lethal fighting power in the world. So he was on path to be reelected. Along comes the deep state. Fauci and Burkes in your office one day. You’re hearing rumblings about this thing in Italy and China.

China’s showing you photos of this man falling down on his face in the street. Fauci going on his screen every minute saying, ah, nothing to worry about in America. We have three videos with Fauci doing that. Then all of a sudden, Fauci comes to your office with books and tells you, Mr. President, we have to shut the country down. So think about if it was you, Ahmed, or me. Me, I had a look at them and said, well, get the hell out of my office. Are you people effing crazy?

shut the greatest economy down? For what? And then they pull out these charts and graphs and showing you with this. Here’s the key. We know today, where we knew a long time ago, that the PCR process was an over-cycled process that was denoting people as false positive. Trump didn’t know that. Most of us didn’t know that initially. We didn’t understand that 95% of the people who denoted us positive.

who you lock society down, were never positive. All those schools we closed, these people were not positive for COVID, why? This is the key. If there’s one thing I can say here is this, the asymptomatic transmission was a lie. They used that to scare you. That was always a lie, still is a lie in this. Second issue is we were never at risk, at equal risk of severe outcome.

Ahmad (27:16.34)
I know.

Dr. Paul Alexander (27:20.13)
Fauci and they went on the podium and told the public and it spooked the entire world including Trump. Trump was spooked when they said That everyone is at equal risk equal risk of severe outcome Upped including death if exposed Because they lied like that to get you to lock down because then Suzie took her son Johnny who was five Young healthy Johnny and stuffed him below the bed

Because Suzie ridiculously, misdirectedly, wrongfully felt, because Fauci said so and Burks, and the whole task force was signaling this, that five-year-old Johnny was at the same risk as 85-year-old Granny with three underlying medical conditions, which was a complete lie. Because we had data showing that there was a 1,000-fold difference in risk of mortality, death, between that 85-year-old Granny and that five-year-old Johnny.

But we didn’t get that message. We got the message locked down because everybody, regardless of age, regardless of risk profile, is at equal risk. But the most important step that it took to hobble the pandemic response and damage Trump and lie to him and screw him over, they screwed Trump. They rolled Trump, they snowed him, was with the PCR process. The PCR was never a test, it was a process.

Ahmad (28:27.847)
Mm.

Ahmad (28:44.592)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (28:48.29)
We cycled at 45 in America, that’s CDC directions. Yet we had data showing us very early that when you cycle that process over 24 amplifications, what you are actually detecting is not live, infectious, lethal virus, but you are detecting non-culturable, non-lethal, non-infectious virus.

whether it was COVID, Corona, whether it was flu, whether it was common cold, anything. In other words, any cycling over 24, we knew that. But Fauci and Bergson, they went in there and told Trump, you know, at this PCR test, they lied there. It was never a test. It’s not a diagnostic test. But Trump didn’t know. Trump is not a scientist, so he’s looking at these graphs and they’re showing, you know, Mr. President, the infections will go up and up and up and up every day. Not telling him.

that we are over cycling beyond 24 cycles. We are only going to be detecting viral dust, viral fragments, all coronavirus, common colds, not COVID virus. But he did not know that. Most of everyone didn’t know that then. And he’s telling them, look, the infections are surprising, we project millions, millions every day. And from those infections, we project millions of deaths, cases and deaths. Well, what do you think Trump will do?

Ahmad (30:00.517)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (30:15.778)
You think Trump then will say, well, you know what, screw you, you are Dr. Fauci and you are Dr. Birx. I’m gonna keep this economy humming and running. So get out of the office. No, he had to make a decision. Do I believe these people or not? Because if they are right, and I think he didn’t have a reason not to believe them, then we’re gonna lose a lot of people if I don’t shut down. So he had to shut down. And remember the key, the other party need to understand how difficult this must have been for him.

He must have went to the White House place where he sleeps or back to Marlow and bang his head on the wall. See, can you imagine this? I work so hard. I have the best economy America ever had. And I’m going to shut it down. And I have to trust these people. And you know what? I’m going to trust them because I’m not a doctor. And remember, Amit, he was doing this when he was beginning to put in place his reelection campaign.

Ahmad (30:47.94)
Mm.

Ahmad (31:04.159)
Right.

Dr. Paul Alexander (31:14.21)
Trump had a very difficult needle to thread that I believe you or me or anybody in this world, they would be lying. You would be lying if you would have said you would have done differently. Think about it. You are entering your re-election with the polls in January 2020 showing you that you’re going to be re-elected resoundingly. And all of a sudden, people telling you shut the economy down, which is the basis on which Americans vote.

Ahmad (31:28.574)
No, I…

Ahmad (31:34.835)
Okay, okay, okay.

Dr. Paul Alexander (31:42.998)
So he had a difficult needle to tread. He had this needle to tread, which is, well, I need to ramp up a pandemic response depending on these idiots Fauci and Burks and Han and these clowns. I had to believe them. Yet in believing them, I’m gonna now damage the economy and put all these Americans that I get working out of a job. Think about what he must’ve been thinking. Just think about that. And I don’t believe I would have made a different decision.

today when I look back at it. Of course I have all of the facts today and I was saying, but he made a wrong decision. Yes, he made a wrong decision, but he made a wrong decision based on the facts that they were giving him. So he as the CEO of the country said, well, okay, they’re saying that millions are going to die. Following this Imperial College crap research of Ferguson, Neil Ferguson, moron who should have been fired years ago, his model.

following Tedros, the Director General of CDC, who said 3.4% mortality. A 3.4% mortality is a heavy decade. Today we know, not today, two years ago, John Ioannidis did modeling to show us that the infection fatality rate of COVID was and is and remains 0.05%, half of seasonal influenza, half of the force of mortality.

Ahmad (33:10.574)
Okay, okay, okay. Paul, I wanna ask you something else. I wanna ask you something else. So listen, did you actually meet Fauci? What was he like in person? Did you have arguments with him, disagreements with him?

Dr. Paul Alexander (33:10.87)
for plus than 70 years.

Dr. Paul Alexander (33:23.53)
Of course, work to them every day.

Ahmad (33:30.56)
Okay.

Dr. Paul Alexander (33:32.92)
Fauci, yes, I met all of these people. I met these people and I worked with them. Well, if you read the congressional select subcommittee investigation that they did, which didn’t even include me, and I was part of that, you would realize that Berks and Fauci, they hated me.

Ahmad (33:33.311)
And what was it like?

Dr. Paul Alexander (33:58.658)
Put it this way, he hated me like hate. Burks hated me, hated Dr. Scott Atlas. Why? Because we were evidence-based and we would provide all of the science, like the literal papers. We would walk into meetings with the papers. They would be sitting down there pulling flint. These were inept, incompetent people, Fauci, Burks, the whole slew of them. They’ve never properly read a research paper around COVID.

They don’t understand the data, they never understood the science. That’s why Dr. Scott Atlas, who Trump brought, because I worked with Scott, Scott was in the Eisenhower building, I was in HHS, we had meetings. He’s one of the most brilliant people, he was one of the best people Trump could have brought there, but they hated him because he was a scientist who looked at the data, and he would tell them straight, they’re a bunch of idiots, they don’t know what, me too. So,

Dr. Paul Alexander (34:57.726)
It came to a head where the White House made a decision because Fauci and Burks and a bunch of them were going on the television every day doing talk shows and on weekends. And when they went on the talk shows, first of all, the science that they were talking was garbage. They weren’t saying things that fit with the actual published research, even around COVID, as junk as the science was.

Ahmad (35:14.115)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (35:26.13)
And they were always at loggerheads with Trump. And remember, Trump was beginning his reelection campaign full on the stump. So you had President Trump calling for the opening of schools, the opening of society and economies, et cetera, and ending of the pandemic, the emergency. And Trump was saying that on the podium. He was saying that bluntly. He was looking at Fauci. He was looking at the teachers union president and saying, please, open schools.

You see, his problem was, because I wanna finish this point, but I need to tweak something. His problem was, yes, he could have fired Fauci on the spot, but you, Ahmed, would have thought he was a moron and insane. You had to call for his impeachment because you say, but wait now, this guy is a real estate builder, billion, billions out of bricks and crap like that. And this guy now fired Dr. Fauci, who headed the NIAID for 40 years. Yes, he made a disaster with HIV and back-trim.

and AZT. Yes, he killed many, many gay people particularly by failing to give them proper treatment. Yes, Fauci failed across 40 years. But who was Donald Trump? The player, the orange haired man to come up on this stage and fire prestigious Dr. Anthony Fauci. So Trump knew that. Trump knew that he was in a difficult position. He wanted her. He had

Ahmad (36:52.574)
Okay, okay. Okay, I’ve got another question. I’ve got another question. Now you said, oh, people like Deborah Birx and Anthony Fauci were incompetent and didn’t know anything. Look back seriously. I mean, do you really think these very smart, politically savvy people, very intelligent, were incompetent or do you think it was design? Do you think they knew what the plan was?

Dr. Paul Alexander (36:54.082)
He must have and he should have, but he couldn’t.

Ahmad (37:20.962)
They wanted to obfuscate, you know, make life difficult for Trump, get him kicked out. I think there’s a video of him, Fauci, at the beginning saying, “‘Oh, Trump is gonna have to face a disaster or some pandemic.'” I was like, how the hell did he know? How did he know Trump would have this problem? And it was obvious he didn’t like Trump. So did he literally just engineer things?

so that the lockdowns and mandates would happen and facilitate the introduction of vaccines. Because he’s very pro-vaccines. And he just seems to have changed his tune and lied serially to the public, to America and the world. He talked about masks don’t work, then the next minute masks do work. It was just ridiculous. And so many other things. Is it incompetence or?

you know, was he just deliberately planning things so that the vaccines could be rolled in and maximum punishment to Trump and his administration?

Dr. Paul Alexander (38:27.382)
Well, let me answer it this way. First of all, I want to say again, I’m very privileged and glad and humbled that you have me on this show, because I think you’re doing a great job and I want people to support you. I put you on my sub stack this morning and asking my people to read your work and support you, because I think the way you’re going about it is in a very decent way too, very professional, and you’re very intellectually sound. So…

Ahmad (38:38.638)
Ah shushu. Shushu.

Dr. Paul Alexander (38:57.638)
I want to say it this way, Ahmed. I don’t pretend to be the expert of experts and everybody has an opinion. You have one too. Everybody listen to your show. And they may say, ah, he’s talking a lot of crap. The same way, the same way I’d say, ah, you talking a lot of crap, whoever you are too. So that’s the interesting thing about life. We live in a free society. Well, hopefully still, so we can have our own opinion. The reality is when I look back at it today at a 50,000 foot level, I could say that A,

Ahmad (39:06.851)
Yep, yep.

Ahmad (39:21.238)
Yep, yep.

Dr. Paul Alexander (39:26.902)
The entire COVID pandemic was a fraud, a fraud driven by a fraud PCR test. That’s how they pulled it off because they could use an over-cycle test knowing that everybody would be false positive, but still they spooked Trump, the whole world into believing, oh, this test said I’m positive, so now I have to isolate for two weeks, I have to come out of work, come out of school, shut the economy down, blah, blah. I have to wear masks. So.

This was a PCR driven fraud pandemic that turned out to have an infection fatality rate of 0.05%, of persons 70 to 75 years old and below, with a 99.998% chance of survival. So it was a fraud, everything about it, everything from timelines, origins, lockdowns. There’s no research anywhere in this entire world.

to show that any lockdown, any school closure, any business closure worked. All reports today, all published research shows that they failed. So everything failed, including these vaccines. So if you ask me, the way you did about Fauci, I do believe that they knew that the PCR process that they were using was false positive, but they knew, look, we are human beings, Ahmed.

Ahmad (40:30.327)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (40:54.282)
and we fear what we can’t see. You can’t see contagion. You can’t see the virus or the bacteria. So you can’t even see what they’re telling you about. But you believe it’s out there because they told you it’s out there. And you get sick one day and you say, well, you just got a cold because you got some virus in your nose. You couldn’t see the virus, but you got sick. You believe that. That’s what we believe, right? So we fear contagion because we can’t even hold it to defeat it ourselves.

Ahmad (40:55.96)
Mmm.

Ahmad (41:09.602)
Mmm.

Ahmad (41:20.355)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (41:23.49)
So we want to run away from it. They have that in their pocket to begin. The fair society of contagion of something we can’t see. So we say we are the experts. We can’t see it either, but we know what to do. Let’s first test you with this false positive PCR thing that we know going to say you’re positive when you’re not. But we just need you to buy it so that you can begin to agree to lockdown. We’re gonna lie to you about asymptomatic transmission.

which was not happening. Because asymptomatic transmission, just by the word, for you to have clinical, you have to have symptoms to transmit pathogen. So that was a lie. We knew recurrent infection was a lie pre-homocron era because we were finding no evidence of that pre-homocron. We knew there was a lie that there was no early treatment because we had early treatment. And we knew it worked and was effective. So we knew that they were lying. Fauci and the…

engineered, engineered a pandemic that was a fraud and a fake and they helped lock the society down. They rolled Trump and he bought it. His problem was he knew that they rolled him. But can you imagine him standing there knowing these beasts? I shut this thing down. I can’t even get it reopened because now think about it because you’re asking important questions.

At what point did you want President Trump to come back on the podium and say, okay, open everything up. I, I executive order. And Faucian, they would jump up and down in the stages. He said, Mr. President, you crazy. You got to kill people. That’s why he, it’s like, it’s like they had him by his shorts and curlies, he couldn’t do anything because he was not a scientist or doctor. He was not. And here you have these clowns on this stage, five or six of them talking one load of.

every day that was not scientifically substantiated, but he had to go along because he was in the election year. So think about what he was thinking. If I fired them all and just run the country as normal and use the Great Barrington approach, the Dr. Paul Alexander and Dr. Scott Atlas screaming, just protect the vulnerable first and let the rest of society live, blah, use only treatment, vitamin D.

Ahmad (43:30.963)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (43:50.466)
blah, use nasal or washes, blah, blah. People will think I crazy because I fire all of these top dog doctors and scientists. I am just a builder. So Trump was in a difficult position. And then after he locked down, every day he wanted to reopen, but he couldn’t because he was being threatened that they would leak, that he’s a mad man and he gonna kill Americans and kill the world. So he was in a, he was, he was.

Ahmad (44:19.271)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (44:19.766)
He was caught. He was think about it. He was caught. And many times we wrote to him, we wrote him from my office direct and said to the Oval Office, look, he needs to now hire Fauci 2.0 now, when it was getting out of hand. Because I need to tell you what Fauci did with leaking. And you really understand what Trump dealt with. We said, bring a 2.0 Fauci, bring him onto the task force, making the seventh member and bring him out every day or her.

every day for about a month. Let Fauci talk his garbage and let that person agree sometimes, not agree, and then fire Fauci. Because by then the nation would have had Fauci 2.0 on stage. They’ll come to the podium and say, we no longer need the services of Dr. Fauci, but his role would be replaced because the public would have gotten accustomed to that person by then. But they were even, the White House was even afraid to do that. And that was a fix because we knew we had to get rid of Fauci.

tried every which way to get the economy open faster and schools reopen. Fauci and they worked every day to prevent it and I’ll give you an example.

Ahmad (45:33.282)
Tell me.

Dr. Paul Alexander (45:36.23)
We’d have a meeting with Fauci and his team. So there’d be a telephone, video conference, whatever, and talking to my boss, my bosses, and I’d be sitting there also. And, you know, Fauci’s team would be talking about and Fauci about Dr. Fauci going onto the media. He’s going to give a speech this weekend or he’s going to talk about keeping schools closed and keeping masks on children. And you know,

People will put on hold, people will look at me and say, Dr. Alexander, what’s the science saying right now today? Because they want things updated. My boss, he’s really on top of the science too. So I would say, well, you know, based on the science today, this is what it’s showing. And the masks are harming children and the masks are ineffective. The masks doesn’t stop a thing. The masks fail in influenza viruses. In fact, the body of science was showing that the masks were not only ineffective, they were toxic and they would harm people.

So we need to get kids out of these masks. So we would go back onto the phone and tell Fauci and his team. They would threaten us directly. If you don’t let Fauci go on the talk show this weekend or go on the show this afternoon, we’re gonna leak to the public that President Trump directly muzzled Fauci. And that was a serious issue because Trump is in the election year.

Ahmad (46:34.827)
Mm.

Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (46:59.414)
So we then had to, at the end of the meeting, we had to have meetings now to discuss how we’re gonna move forward, because once that gets leaked out, the press is going to run with that 24-7-4 week, and that would hurt the president. They were threatening to do things that were almost illegal to hurt Trump. That’s an example. I’ll give you another example. Because I’m an immigrant guy as well, you know that, and I come from the islands and stuff.

But you know, it fascinates a lot of people in teleconferences because it never saw me. You know, I would sit in meetings and it would come back that, you know, people want to meet this Dr. Alexander, this Caribbean guy with this thick accent and smart guy, he seems to understand what the other people in these meetings don’t. So people would come to me at HHS and tell me we have to meet XXY police in the building.

because nobody could see me talking to you. And these were people at CDC, NIH, FDA, who were in the building, staff, scientists, scientists. And we would have conversations, we’d meet and they would tell me blunt, we can’t be seen talking to you. We so love everything you say. We believe what you’re saying. And, but we’re gonna lose our grant. We’re gonna lose our position if we.

Ahmad (48:03.116)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (48:25.934)
come out and support you. That’s why we’re all silent. And they also told me something that surprised me. So, you know, like they befriended me because of my accent and they all thought they were like the brother. You know, they were talking, hey brother, how are you going today? And like, you know, like everybody thought you talk to somebody like me, you just technically visited the islands and you just had a rum and coke in your hands with an umbrella in it, you know? And you’re down with the brother. So today…

Ahmad (48:31.412)
UGH!

Dr. Paul Alexander (48:54.402)
They’re talking to me in casual ways. So I would poke them and I would ask them, you know, what is it like on your side? Because a lot of these people, they were Democrats, identified, and they were in the civil service. And they would tell me, my day-to-day job at CDC, FDA, as a career scientist is to undercut Trump in this pandemic. We do every single thing we could to undercut him.

Ahmad (49:06.326)
Mm.

Ahmad (49:16.634)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (49:25.15)
and to make his pandemic response disastrous, make him look like a buffoon, et cetera. So I said, but every day they said, here we come to work, we have no support of Trump. And then I will tell them, but President Trump, one of them I spoke to in these types of communities from the State Department, I said, but President Trump is the President of the United States. They told me bluntly, said, you don’t understand Washington. You just came here. This is like after two months.

Ahmad (49:32.174)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (49:53.674)
Trump is only visiting here. We are the career officials. We run America. We run things in Washington. Trump is a visitor. He will be gone if he’s here for eight years and he’s gone. We actually run things. So when they explained to me that way, I began to understand, yes, there is a deep state and there is an administrative deep state. People think the deep state are just those running around with big heavy guns and.

subversive clandestine military. No, no, no. Deep state I talking about they can have that too is the deep state based on the career officials who get 30 and 40 years who

Mainly Democrats, mainly leftist politics, and they don’t have an interest in America. They have an interest in themselves in how they see America and how they think America should be run. They’re not interested in the other side. They’re not interested in collaboration. They’re interested in nothing like that. Trump was an enemy to them because he came from the outside. And let me say this, when I arrived at HHS building,

I was stunned. The building must have 25 floors. Only the floors connected to Trump’s pandemic had any staff, me, people like me. The entire building was empty. Nobody was coming to work. Yeah, I know, you had the option to work remote. Even when the directors began, I was sitting in meetings, having meetings with the HR in different units. You have to come back to work.

They would flip the government, the bird. See, we are coming back there. These people in these government jobs, they’re just highly underworked and highly, I mean, highly paid and highly underworked. These people are not technical. Look, let me tell you something. I worked with Fauci and their, that level of people. We think that they are smart people in these high level positions. They are not.

Dr. Paul Alexander (52:07.554)
They’re not. Fouchy is almost a bench scientist, like a pipette in chemicals all his life. Fouchy is not somebody who has any epidemiology background, no public health background. And it became clear when he speaks, that’s why every time he would come on the stage and he would tell you one mask, then two masks, then a box of masks, then take off mask, and then lock down, so no lock. You realize he’s an idiot. He doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. And he’s just read headlines.

He does not read the study. He doesn’t read the methods. He doesn’t read the results. He doesn’t understand the data. That is why it was so much chaos. And that is why when Trump bought Atlas, it was to put order. And Atlas would walk into every meeting with a stack of studies. And when Burke says something, he would put them on his desk and say, we have to read this study because what you’re saying there will not work because look at the science. When they said that we are evidence-based,

Ahmad (52:46.638)
Ah…

Dr. Paul Alexander (53:06.658)
we are making evidence-based decisions here. That was one of the biggest bollocks, load of lies. Atlas and me knew there was nothing was evidence-based. They were just trying to make things up as they went along. And Atlas was trying to introduce the science to the decision-making. I was trying to introduce the science too. And they did everything to destroy us because we were evidence-based. Look, I was walking, I was talking to Dr. Robert Redfield.

He’s head of CDC. And when I said this to the public, a lot of people thought I was crazy, right? They said, you know, Dr. Alexander, you know, where you could make that statement? Where you get that kind of high level intel from? Well, I was not crazy. I asked Dr. Retil, I said, Dr. Retil, tell me where

The six foot rule came from. Tell me, what’s the science of the decision making that the CDC and the government of the United States, HHS, came up with this six foot social distancing rule? Show me the studies. And I was talking to him very friendly because we became friends. I like Dr. Redfield. He’s a God-fearing, good human being. His leadership at the CDC and his inability to fire all of those people.

Ahmad (54:22.414)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (54:34.806)
because they were trying to destroy him. I will tell you from my work, Redfield was facing the pandemic as the head of the CDC, plus insurgency within the CDC against him. They didn’t even want him there as an appointee. They did everything to thwart Redfield and to damage him. So he had his own issues. I used to sit down a lot with him and talk to him when he came to the office because I thought he was a good man. I still do.

I may disagree with him on issues, but I think he’s a good person, a good smart guy too. But anyway, I asked him, I said, six foot rule. He looked at me and he chuckled and he said, what science basically, para and paraphernalia, what science you talking about Paul? I said, well, what’s the research? Show me the paper. He said, I’m no science in the six foot rule.

Some taught one foot, some countries were talking about three, some said 12, some said nine. Well, we taught six some reasonable, so we settled with six. So I said, there’s no science about the six foot rule. He said, no, we made it up. That’s what he said. We made it up. And people started to push back on me. Lo and behold, Dr. Godfield.

Ahmad (55:47.757)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (55:58.338)
who was the FDA commissioner, okay? He came out one day in an interview about a year and a half ago and said, the six foot social distancing rule was an arbitrary made up rule. He was the FDA commissioner before Stephen Hahn. When he said it, I was vindicated because people said, well, you’re just making that up. You didn’t speak, you don’t even know Dr. Redfield. Yes, I did. Yes, we work together. And yes, Dr. Redfield said that.

Ahmad (56:03.872)
Yep.

Dr. Paul Alexander (56:26.934)
And I’m not saying it in a negative way. He was actually being honest with me. He said, we made it up. Six feet ruler, then the whole world adopted it. Businesses were closed. Business owners hung themselves, Amit, in America, across the world. Because here you have a business who had maybe 10 seats, 10 tables juxtaposed quickly, closely in his whole store.

Ahmad (56:34.478)
Wow.

Wow.

Ahmad (56:41.986)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (56:56.006)
All of a sudden you make a six foot rule. So you had at least movie tables from each other, at least six feet two. All of a sudden you had 10 different tables become four. Four tables now. The amount of chairs around those tables can’t pay your bills. So you had to lay off staff. You have to lay off people and then eventually close. So those policies had implications and ramifications. And that’s the point. When we say…

Ahmad (57:08.13)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (57:25.474)
We need people investigated. We need, because people, when Suzy went to the doctor and told the doctor, I don’t want this vaccine. It’s against my religious beliefs, blah, blah. Or doctor, I have some allergies and I don’t wanna take the chance. The doctor would explain to Suzy, my state board or in Canada, the College of Physicians and Surgeons told me.

Ahmad (57:48.128)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (57:54.882)
that I am only not to give you a vaccine once it’s mandated, that you need to get it. If I give the first shot and you react severely with anaphylaxis, et cetera, or develop myocarditis. That’s the rule, and that’s in writing, in Canada, everywhere. And then Susie would say, so doctor, you mean I have to literally almost die? And that was the rule from our colleges in Canada, and you state boards in America, yes.

I have to give you the full shot. You have to get a vaccine. The government mandated it. That’s why many people resigned and quit their jobs. But some Susies, I mean, she was desperate because she had two kids at home. Maybe she had no husband, but the daddy was AWOL. Or maybe his job and her job were needed to support the home. So she couldn’t stay home. So she took the shot. Those Susies got into serious trouble.

Ahmad (58:54.253)
I know.

Dr. Paul Alexander (58:55.978)
medically, but what about the Susie who said no? And then the doctor said, well, then I have to give you the shot and she said, no, I can’t take it. She went back to her workplace and told her boss, I can’t take the shot, so I didn’t get any medical exemption. The boss told her, well, then I’m gonna have to lay you off Susie and laid off Susie. They have many instances in America, Ahmed, where that Susie was found in her bedroom hung.

She killed herself. So that’s why I say, all of those people involved in COVID, all who made the policies, especially with the vaccine, there were implications because of your policies. People died. You need to be held accountable because today we know that I, Dr. Alexander, my entire family, everybody in my orbit, I could name many.

thousands, tens of thousands, millions who said no. No to the lockdowns, no to the vaccines. And they are very fine, very healthy. Their children are thriving, very functional, no illnesses. How did that happen to us?

Ahmad (01:00:09.87)
I know, I know. Right, Paul, listen, I need to direct you a little bit. I need to direct, listen. So you were then forced to resign in September, October. If you go to Wikipedia, they say you’re a bully, that you’re intimidating and harassing people, you’re sending emails to everyone. And Wikipedia is just basically lying, it’s bullshit. Can I ask you, what’s your side of the story? What led to your resignation? Why?

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:00:34.308)
Mm-hmm.

Ahmad (01:00:39.49)
Did you leave that position? Because you’re in a powerful position, an important role. You’re helping, at least in some way, influence things for the better. So why did you give it up? Why did you leave? What was happening?

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:00:40.695)
Okay.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:00:58.038)
Well, first of all, what happened was, first of all, Wikipedia’s complete garbage because nothing written there about me is true, zero, zero of it. And I only grew to know about Wikipedia when that page was put up and somebody called me and said, oh, they wrote it. And I’m not even friends with that person anymore because like when he was telling me, it’s like he was excited. And I said, well, do you believe that crap? He said, well, you know, Paul, they’ve written it. I’ve learned what Wikipedia is.

Ahmad (01:01:10.634)
I know.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:01:27.362)
Wikipedia is garbage, pure. I mean, anyway, so I’ll give you an example of what happened. So the White House made a decision that all of the task force members were going on the news every day and on weekends. Before they go on the news, because the president is out speaking about opening schools and in the lockdowns, opening society, et cetera.

Ahmad (01:01:30.785)
Yep.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:01:55.586)
their messages have to align with Porter’s. And that was the decision. So they set up this kind of little office and said, before like Dr. Fauci or whomever goes on the news to speak, Dr. Fauci should inform the White House to my office, et cetera. And I’m giving it to you in a gross way, should inform what is the topic of conversation.

and generally what Dr. Fauci is going to say, so that it aligns itself with what POTUS is saying. So for example, if this week POTUS is going out there and every interview he does, he says that schools must be reopened and masks must be taken off of kids based on the science, because he was seeing the science, Fauci cannot be going out on the stage that week doing interviews saying no, schools should be closed, masks should stay on kids, because therefore the president and his chief

pandemic advisor saying two opposite things. So they want the people to say what you’re going to say, and then we will align POTUS’s statements with yours or yours with POTUS. Not stifling anyone, we just wanna know what is being said so that it doesn’t look like the White House and his pandemic advising team, not even on the same page. So one day, email went out from Dr. Fauci and his team.

to whomever he needs to send it to. They included people in the NIH, NIAID, FDA, the whole government, but all of the top level people. I was included. So when I read the email and I saw, I think it was Fauci was going on to MSNBC and he was going to discuss school closures and masks, blah, and kids. I think if I remember correctly now, Para, he was basically saying that kids should remain in masks and schools should remain closed.

So when I read it, I knew I was on top of the science, all of the mass data, all of the school closure data, and I was seeing the harms. So I began a communication, I responded to everyone, and I said, you know, the science today is against that position by Fauci, Dr. Fauci. In all due respect, I disagree. And they wrote me back hot and heavy that basically trying to say, well, who am I to question Dr. Fauci?

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:04:23.042)
So I wrote back again and now I attached about 10 studies, 10 of the top studies that were just out showing that the masks don’t work and the school closures are harmful, blah, blah. Again, para.

Ahmad (01:04:24.97)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:04:28.62)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:04:37.057)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:04:37.974)
When that went to them, the day after that, roughly, we had another meeting in HHS. And after the meeting, a couple of people who had attended that meeting, when they left the meeting, I also was going to my office. So we were walking the same direction to the elevator. And they started to speak to me and they said, one was from CDC, one’s from NIH.

Ahmad (01:05:02.039)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:05:07.626)
and we attended the meeting and we just wanted to meet you in person also. So they were so happy to meet me. They shook hands and stuff and they said, you know, we want to tell you something because you should know. This is what they were trying to explain to me that a decision was made at the CDC and the NIH at the highest levels with Dr. Fauci, that they’re going to cut my balls off. And that’s the exact statement. So when they said that, I didn’t know what you were talking about. So I stopped.

in my tracks and I’m looking at them and they say, what do you mean cut my balls off? What are you talking about? And I said, well, and they reminded me, you know, those series of communications between you and Fauci and the whole of government really, senior government, embarrassed Dr. Fauci and the NIH because you went and you attached a bunch of scientists and you papers and you told them that they’re a bunch of idiots. And I said, well, they are a bunch of idiots because what they’re doing is wrong and harming children and society with these masks and these school closures.

And he said, well, Paul, we just want to let you know that they’re gonna destroy your name and your career. I said, well, why are you telling me this? He said, well, because we like you. We came to this meeting purposely to find a way to speak to you and let you know. A decision has been made already that this is gonna happen. I said, but how and when? Remember, I’m a novice in Washington, right? And they were very honest. They said, well, in about four days, the CDC with-

Ahmad (01:06:06.679)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:06:32.062)
Internal deep state people, IT people are going to leak some communication from you and they’re going to create a discussion as though you are a very dangerous person to the society because of your pandemic positions and exactly what they said they did in about four days from that day. Now I went to my boss and I told my boss the conversation and he basically told me that yes well there’s already chatter within the government that they’re going to try and destroy me.

Ahmad (01:06:47.606)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:07:02.066)
um, technically, career-wise, so that I could quit, so I could resign. So in about four days they did that. And what this was, was a slew of internal emails between me and other people where we were talking about the pandemic, and this was very early in the pandemic, and I was talking about natural immunity, and I was saying that it is crazy to constrain children in a society given their innate immune system and their capacity to be exposed to

and recover harmlessly, and they will add to herd immunity. And everybody say, ooh, really stop with this herd immunity. These idiots didn’t understand. What the hell you think the vaccine was brought out for? It’s so they could vaccinate enough of the public so you could get enough inoculation and immunity so we could arrive at herd immunity. You get to herd immunity in a population, you cut the chain of transmission, a combination of…

exposure infection and vaccine or pure vaccine or pure exposure infection. But at some point for a pandemic or epidemic to end, you must get a herd immunity, which is that threshold number where there’s no more transmission within the system of the society. So I was not saying anything. There’s not basic epidemiology, but you had the press and you had doctors going on stage and on CNN saying, but Dr. Eliza, there’s no need to stop. But it wouldn’t debate.

They wouldn’t debate because they know they were idiots and they were lying, because they knew exactly what I said is where we are today. Where we are today in our understanding of herd immunity and natural immunity. Anyway, so what I did was, in this email, I was saying that why don’t we just open up the society, basically, and allow children to be naturally and harmlessly exposed to the pathogen, and they will get infected, and they will recover.

Like how they get colds and flu and RSV and everything and they get infected with it and they recover and they go on with life because children are sturdy and robust and their immune system works perfectly. Well, the press wrote they took just the line.

Ahmad (01:09:15.434)
But, but, Paul, wait one second. Paul, just wait one second. I’m really struggling with this because nothing you are saying is controversial. Everything you’re saying makes sense, is logical, and is scientific. This is bizarre that they were weaponizing your emails to make you look like a crazy person when actually you were the only sane person in the building. Anyway, carry on.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:09:46.867)
Correct. I was the only sane person in HHS. Well, I mean, some people with my boss and stuff, but Dr. Atlas at Eisenhower was the only sane person there. So there were some of us, but the decision was to smear and slander us and destroy our name so that the public won’t listen to what we’re saying. Because remember, the Deep State, the RINOs, the left, academia, CDC, NIH, FD, the whole plan.

was to shut the government down and to shut the country down, keep it down. So that Trump would look like an idiot, his pandemic response is failing, make it chaotic, do everything possible, make him look like a buffoon by the time the election comes around, then go into mail-in voting, keep this, oh my God, these infections still rising, using this fraud PCR, so it makes it look like Trump can’t even get the pandemic under control.

So we need to go to court to get mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania and all these places so that people don’t have to go in and then they could do the shimmy-gimmy and the corruption to steal votes. Everything is almost a grand design and a plan, yes. But in that, Trump lost votes because people were harmed from the lockdowns. So it’s two areas that he lost votes. I need people to understand. Anyway, what I’m trying to say is this. So they leaked that line that just the words

children to get infected. They remove the part where naturally and harmlessly let them recover, let them develop natural immunity and children’s natural immunity on the immunological battlefield is key. We use the natural immunity of children to contribute to overall herd immunity. If you took children, infants, children, young people off the immunological battlefield, we can’t get to herd immunity. We basically any pathogen.

Because they’re such a big number and the immune response is so robust. We need children in the response always. Anyway, they leaked and the press started to run daily. Front page, CNN, 24 seven, MSNBC, Dr. Paul Alexander, Trump’s pandemic advisor, wants children in America to be killed. Dr. Paul Alexander wants all children in the world to be infected, blah, blah. And the press was running this garbage.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:12:12.526)
24-7. I had press camped outside the condo building I was living in because the media went and leaked my address. I was moving between Virginia, Maryland, DC, back to Toronto, leaving Canada, coming back to DC, running because I was getting death threats, me and my family every day from academia, from researchers, from wacko people in society, death threats.

Some of the worst tetris I got was from academia and McMaster University, where I was a researcher. I couldn’t believe people in faculty were so deranged. Who are you to use this word herd immunity? What’s this herd immunity? What’s this natural immunity you’re talking about? Like, they’re so stupid. Actual immunologists. Probably the smartest person who was a colleague I had at Guelph University, Dr. Byron Bridle. He helped me set these idiots straight.

Ahmad (01:13:02.242)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:13:08.81)
But naturally, and then good Vanden Bosch, who’s really the father of all of this, Dr. Vanden Bosch to really explain natural immunity, blah, and herd immunity. But I knew the facts, so I was not wrong. Anyway.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:13:25.358)
So it was a real, real problem because the White House, the people that I’m dealing with told me, you can’t go out, Paul, now for the next week because this is on the news and they’re trying to burn you down. Okay, so what we want you to do is go into lockdown in your condo, right, because they knew I was, and don’t give no press. Don’t interview with anybody, nobody, zero.

Don’t leave the building because the press is outside. And if they call you, don’t take the calls. Don’t do anything for the next four days to a week. Well, I was following what they were telling me because remember I’m isolated. I came from Toronto, even though I was a legal resident of America. I hadn’t then lived in America for too long. So I knew nobody in Washington, basically the people in the building. So I was isolated. And when they put you in lockdown, brother, not even people you work with would speak with you.

Because now everybody wants the, they want the story off the news. Because they claim to me as President Trump, this is like in July or August, is in full campaign mode and you are sucking your story. This shit, sorry. Oh my God, Aminah, I’m so sorry. You could, you could cut that out, please. This garbage is sucking air out. They told me, they told me on the phone, it’s sucking air out his campaign and his campaign handlers are angry. So.

Ahmad (01:14:29.774)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:14:42.219)
It’s alright, it’s alright.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:14:52.61)
They don’t want you to grant no interviews because once you keep the story silent, just let them keep running. Soon, Paul, soon another major story will break and the media operates that way. They will pivot it and you will be an afterthought. They will never even mention your name and it’ll happen instantly. So I said, seriously, they say, yeah, just hold on. And every hour they would call me, Paul, are you holding on? And it was tough, Ahmed. I have to tell you, it was tough because.

Ahmad (01:15:08.183)
Mmm.

Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:15:21.378)
They isolate you in a way that you’re on your own and you don’t know what to do. And I wanted to speak to the media every minute to clear my name and to set the record straight and to give them all of my emails in the full context to show that what the media has done here is like a hit job, which I was told they were gonna do because I embarrassed Dr. Fauci. And I told Dr. Fauci he’s a moron and he technically should be fired.

because he’s stupid, he’s harming American children. Anyway.

At about the fifth day or so, and I have to tell you, one of the worst feelings is to look at the news on the hour and see your face in a picture, see idiotic news media. The media in Canada, the media in America, I want to say it slowly, the people who are in the media, the reporters in CNN, in ABC, NBC,

CBC in Canada, they are the most banal, puerile, feral, filthy, obnoxious, low-level, bottom-dweller, sick, nasty, filthy, unclean people in the world. They are the worst of the worst. Media, they are garbage. It’s like the worst of society gravitates towards media. I have nothing good to say about them. Nothing, and I’ll never have anything.

Ahmad (01:16:49.058)
Dude.

Ahmad (01:16:53.506)
Don’t hold back.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:16:59.254)
No, but I’m just telling you, at about the fourth or fifth day, about the fourth or fifth day, breaking news, breaking news in Washington, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. And once that came on the news, instantly I got a call from people in the White House and said, see, Paul, see exactly what we told you, and you did good, Paul. They were praising me, you did good. You held on. You didn’t give no interviews. Now Ginsburg just died. You will see in the next hour.

your name and picture will disappear. And they will only be talking about Ginsburg and a replacement and the fight between the Republicans to find a replacement for her. Who am with President Trump? Name a replacement before the election is called. All this drama. And exactly that. From the next half an hour, it was just Ginsburg, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 24-7. And I was no longer in the news. But I could tell you something, during those four to five days,

Ahmad (01:17:48.187)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:17:58.306)
There were times I was low, really, really low. And I grew to understand why people do bad things to themselves and that they can’t hold on. Because when the media does bad things to you, it messes with your mind because at some point you just want it to stop. I was so grateful I had family and I had my faith. I’m a person of faith. I was raised in my own Christian faith and I knew who I was.

Ahmad (01:18:02.447)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:18:11.199)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:18:15.682)
Dude. Absolutely.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:18:28.766)
And I held on, thank God to my family and some friends, like Dr. Harvey Wish. We became very good friends. We were research friends before, but he called me and he said, I’ll do a Zoom with you tonight because I’m seeing what’s going on in the media and I wanna talk to you, like to give you support and to explain to you how to help them handle the media.

Ahmad (01:18:30.59)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:18:39.352)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:18:57.698)
But I was learning already. So I just need to hold on. But what I’m trying to say is, the media knows that if they isolate a target and they gonna make you the enemy, they’re not gonna stop until they destroy your name and your life or the, that you just, you take drastic action into your own hands. Yeah.

Ahmad (01:19:14.668)
Yeah.

Ahmad (01:19:18.608)
So.

Ahmad (01:19:22.526)
Paul, listen, I’ll be honest with you. My heart goes out to you. I am under the opinion that the media is simply an arm of the intelligence services and a propaganda tool for the corporations. So basically, that’s their function. Their function is to brainwash the population to manipulate the population.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:19:41.224)
I believe you.

Ahmad (01:19:49.718)
and it’s not to inform, it’s not to educate, it’s not to provide news, it’s exactly what was done to you, it’s distraction, it’s deception, it’s decoys, it’s deceit, and it’s about destroying the credibility of people like yourself and your characters. I won’t be surprised if not so long in the future it’ll be me, my friend, being subjected to this.

I am convinced that authorities, using the regulatory bodies and the mainstream media, will do an attack on me. They will want to discredit me. They will want to smear me and make people think, ah, see, this guy’s an idiot. He’s dishonest. He’s not credible. Because this is how they work. But you had a conversation with someone in the media. You had a conversation with a journalist. All fair, you told me a little bit about that. Can you just tell me that again in detail?

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:20:30.967)
What?

Ahmad (01:20:47.423)
and for the sake of the listeners.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:20:48.526)
Well, we’re at…

Well, I’ll tell you something, Ahmed. I know, I mean, they went after Dr. McCullough, they went after me, they went after Rich, they went after all of us in different ways. And it ends where the agencies you connect to whether in academia, whatever you’re doing, they end up stopping your salary. Because people know once they take your income that you become very vulnerable and that you’re in a desperate position. So.

Ahmad (01:21:01.102)
Mm.

Ahmad (01:21:20.278)
Well that’s done. That’s been done to me. That’s been done to me. I’m now dependent totally on my listeners.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:21:21.398)
but with.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:21:26.102)
Well you see, I understand, I’ve been through that.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:21:31.862)
Well, you see, Ahmed, that’s why I also said, and again, I want people to support you because I’ve been through that myself and I go through that almost daily. And we have to find alternative ways to retool our careers because let’s face it, you know, we did a lot of work. We did a lot of study. We kind of experts in different ways, but because we said that this pandemic was a non-pandemic and this vaccine has problems, we can see.

Ahmad (01:21:53.974)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:22:01.59)
the vaccine causes deaths, et cetera. And we know of people in our families and friends who’ve taken the shot and gotten serious reactions and some died. We know people in the lockdowns who were harmed. We know of children who committed suicide because of the lockdowns and the school closures. So we knew all, we know all of the wrongs that happened. And because we stood up and said, no, I’m not gonna remain silent. Ahmed, every time I come off our stage,

Do you know how many doctors and scientists come out of the crowd? Thousands of people, but they make their way behind the stage. There’s always security with us, but they come up to you and say, Paul, you know, I just wanted to tell you how grateful we are that you are speaking out. You, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Reiche, Dr. Tenenbaum, all of you people, because you are braver than us. They tell me, we are weak. We just wish we had your strength. Our problem is we can’t risk our research grant.

our salary, so we have to be quiet. But we wish we were you. We just want you to keep fighting, keep speaking because you were right. And they say it and it shocks me sometimes. Yeah, and my point is, I know you’re going through a difficult period. I know right now you’re going through a difficult period, Ahmed, because they did that to many good doctors in Canada. The colleges did that. Many doctors in the United States, the state.

Ahmad (01:23:04.11)
Oh my god.

Ahmad (01:23:11.704)
same.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:23:30.786)
boards did that. So I know how it is in probably England. They are, they are, they can’t match you technically because the data is, the science is on your side. It’s not that you’re just talking things willy nilly. You have all of the science to back up what you’re seeing. So what they’re doing is they’re going to add homonym, attack you, attack your name, smear you, slander you, come up with all kinds of stuff. They may, they may accuse you of

All kinds of stuff and just makeup stuff and then you have to defend yourself So the question then becomes how strong are you to withstand that and many people fold Many people fold but I think in your situation though, you have some good supporters Your listeners etc, but also us in the scientific medical community we tend to help our People

when they get attacked. So hopefully, hopefully you can weather it and it doesn’t happen in a bad way, but we will come to your defense. And I can tell you there was.

There was a reporter who was constantly after me to give her a scoop on the workings of HHS and really to write a hit piece on Trump. And I wouldn’t give it to her. I didn’t even know how she got my number, my address, et cetera. But anyway, eventually she kept harassing me and she then told me that she would do a good piece on me. And this was in the time that I was in the lockdown in the condo when…

the media had printed those false statements about getting kids infected, et cetera. So she said, you know, I could do a good rehab piece and write up a good story about you, but you’ll have to give, basically she said you have to give me something. And I agreed to meet her in the building. There was a restaurant in the base of the building. So we met, so I didn’t have to go out into the public. And anyway, the long and short of it is that

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:25:42.886)
She, in trying to defend me, she said that, basically, she said that the media operates one way and all of the media operates together this way. If it is that the decision is to go after a target because of your views being against the normal narrative, or if you are less conservative, the decision is that…

They will write, all of them will write the same thing, but in just slight variations, because they belong to different people, but they’re all doing the same. They meet and they discuss and they agree. And they will write in a way that…

If you do, commit suicide and take your life, that’s the aim. She said, but they know that are very minimal.

Ahmad (01:26:33.314)
Wow.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:26:38.566)
Although there are people, she said, who do take their life, because she said, when we localize on our target, and we write, and we run 24-7 on the news cycle, and we write everything we could, some people take their life. She said, but the vast majority who does not, what we do is we were relentless every day. And we burn your life down.

We will destroy your life. We will smear you and slander you. And we will write things with anonymous sources that you can’t ever prove or disprove. And we will burn you down. By the time you’re done, you’ll basically be barefoot in the street. You will not be employable. You’ll have no income. Nobody will touch you. We’ll destroy you. And in the worst case, if you survive that, and you say, Paul, you are at, you’re in that number two bucket.

Ahmad (01:27:23.501)
Oh sh-

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:27:34.614)
because we realized that you are withstanding the media onslaught. I told her I have no choice because I’m in the right. But she said the third bucket is we could continue and we could invoke at times people in this society to march on your home. We could release your address, your telephone, and they will come outside your house, camp out, and they will be relentless and they will suffer you. And that’s what they do. Exactly that.

They do that, that’s how they operate. And you said something in the beginning, you know?

It must be that Trump was in on it because how could he take that? If Trump was not on it, then you really have to tip your hat. The first guy who’s a successful guy from 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, eight years of which four he was president, that they have been slandering him, smearing him, his family, his wife, his child, his son, his sons, his daughter. Who could take that?

So you have to ask yourself, well, is he a glutton for punishment, or does he really think he could fix America? Or then as you say, not say, but you ask, because of a narrative out there too, was he just part of it? I believe this is a good man. I believe that he got way beyond his depth. I don’t think he really understood how rotten Washington, D.C. is, and how much deep state it is, and the extent of it.

Ahmad (01:28:43.438)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:29:11.926)
that I always say it this way, sometimes you’re gonna pick up a fight that will outlive you. The benefits and the rewards that you will reap for the things you’re going to do, the good things will come after you leave this world because often it’s going to take time. I think Trump is one of them. Trump has opened up the political landscape in a way that he’s showed that an outsider could come in and he is almost at…

Ahmad (01:29:22.055)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:29:27.21)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:29:40.31)
He’s taken all of the damage and he’s helping weaken the system, the media also, and he’s exposing it. So that you understand, if there’s another Donald Trump out there lurking with some money, successful, and he decides, oh, she, that they want to get into government, they will, they will know from what he experienced, what will come with that. And they will prepare properly. But I believe that it can be done.

Ahmad (01:30:05.486)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:30:09.107)
So you know like…

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:30:13.09)
He’s almost like a canary in the coal mine. That’s how I regard Trump, because I believe the improvements and the benefits that we will get will come, but there are going to be some of us who are going to have to finish the job for him. It’s not going to be on his watch. It’s too much wrong, and too much bad things have been done to America and the world, and it’s going to take time, maybe in our children and our grandchildren’s time. But there are people, I believe, good people, good young kids today.

who are going to grow up, your kids, our kids, and then they have a few who are going to be the, sorry.

Ahmad (01:30:48.678)
So, yeah, I want to tell you about something that happened to me yesterday. It’s almost like you predicted what happened. So yesterday morning, so yesterday early afternoon, I went to a wedding and I met two doctors there. And then in the evening, I went to someone’s birthday party and there were three doctors in total I saw yesterday. All three doctors came up to me and said, Oh, we love your work. Are you Dr. Malik? Wow. I’ve never met these people before.

We listen to you. Oh my God, everything you say is so right. You’re so brave. Love what you’re doing. And I said, and one of them was like, I’ve known all about this. I’ve known about this since the Gulf War, blah, blah. It’s all a lie. This is the climate change, the vaccines. It’s all bullshit, COVID. I know all of it. All of it’s just a lie. Ukraine war. You know, they’re listing off all the things to me. And then they go, oh.

And every single one of them, every single one of them said the same thing. Oh, you’re so brave, but you know what? We’re not in a position like you to risk it all. You know, we can’t do that. You know, we just have to like, we just have to carry on. And I was like, hold on one second. What do you mean like me, I can’t, you can’t risk it all? What, like I have nothing to lose? Like my 25 year career, my capacity to earn money?

I have three young children, I have a mortgage, I have bills. Like, what do you mean? Like you’re talking like I’m some guy who’s a millionaire with yachts and I have no cares in the world and my kids have grown up and left the house and I can do whatever the frack I like. What the hell was different between you and me? And they went quiet. I went, if you know all of this. And you’re just staying quiet. How’s that helping?

And two of them were like, oh well, you know, it’s just so helpless, like there’s nothing we can do. And I was like, that’s someone who’s defeated talking. It only takes a very small minority of very determined and brave people to overturn something. The war of American independence was won by just a few percentage points, one or two, three, five percent, it was the majority of the people were not here or there.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:33:01.166)
Thank you.

Ahmad (01:33:16.17)
And, but these guys, these three guys, cause they’re all guys. I mean, I like the fact they were awake and they were supportive. That was lovely. But to be honest, it’s not much help. It’s not much help what they’re doing. What they’re doing is just staying quiet and getting on, looking after their jobs, their income, paying for their holidays. And they know that the longer they’re quiet and the fact that everyone’s quite like them.

Our world is descending into more and more madness and a totalitarian nightmare, but they don’t wanna do anything about it. And that makes me upset. I think they’re, if not worse than the people who are brainwashed and asleep, because they don’t, the people who are brainwashed don’t know any better. But these people know better and they still choose to not do anything. And that makes me sad and a bit angry and upset.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:33:57.346)
Yeah, good.

Ahmad (01:34:13.542)
I want them to have courage. I want them to know that, you know what, if enough of us just stood together and said, no, this would all fall apart. How do you feel about that? How do you react when people come up to you and to the stage and go, well done, Paul, you know, we love what you’re doing, that’s great, you’re so brave, we can’t do what you’re doing. What goes through your mind?

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:34:38.818)
Well, Ahmed, first of all, I’m sorry to hear what you’re saying, but what you’re saying is the truth. Most of the people around, because from the beginning it was just 15, 20 of us, three and a half, four years ago, who decided, and still is around 15, 20 of us, one or two have lost and we gained a couple who came forward, you being one. And the thing is, the thing about it is that

It shows a lot of weakness on people’s part. Like they wanna reap the benefits but they want no skin in the game. And we are battling not for us, we are battling so that their son at 13 or 14, we make sure the parents could understand to make a decision based on the benefits versus the harms that your healthy 14 year old son will not need a COVID vaccine. mRNA shot.

Ahmad (01:35:17.603)
Hmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:35:36.322)
so that he would not drop dead on the football field, the soccer field, from myocarditis, vaccine-induced cardiac arrest. That’s what we fighting for. We fighting so that granny in the nursing home or in her home, her family could understand the benefits of early treatment and that the governments could release the early treatment therapeutics so she could get access to antivirals, corticosteroids, antiplatelets, so she could survive.

Because when granny goes into the hospital, from the time she gets there, her mortality increases, her risk, and they put her on this COVID protocol, this dark black hole they suffer into between designating her as positive with a 97% false positive PCR, decedating her with Midazolam and diamorphine, pumping her with other toxic drugs, do not resuscitate orders, no antibiotics when she has bacterial pneumonia.

Remdesivir, which is kidney and liver toxic, killing her. She’s dehydrated because she’s sedated with Midazolam. So she can’t drink. She’s malnourished. She can’t eat. Nobody’s feeding her. She’s infested with maggots and feces all over her because you wouldn’t change her. And she’s isolated, so she’s dying. She’s dying in isolation. And then you finish it off by putting her in the ventilator, which blew holes in her lungs. So…

We are there to prevent that. That’s why we have been writing and speaking. And yes, they have worked to destroy me. I tried to destroy you, to try to burn you down and to impact your income. But you had a staining fight because they only have 15, 20 of us. And we, believe it or not, have held the wall. We were the wall between complete failure. If it was not for my color.

You, Rich, me, I stand in this crowd. Tenenbaum, Ladako, us, Vliet. If it wasn’t for us, Wolf, Ivor Cummings on your side. Berenson, if it wasn’t for us, governments in America, in Canada, in UK, in France, in Australia, across the world, with our over-rundy populations, everyone would have been vaccinated and you’d be having massive deaths.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:38:03.394)
The lockdowns would have still be on. No emergency or order would have been lifted. It is because of our relentless fight. And yes, we get the worst end of the stick. We getting destroyed. But I believe we are on the right side of history. And I believe somehow we could find a way to make it. And if we have to retool our career and do something else, I believe we would. We just have to have faith and to stand with each other and understand that…

Ahmad (01:38:10.23)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:38:32.31)
This was like a battle of civilization here because what they did three and a half years ago had no medical or scientific basis. They used a PCR process that they over cycled it. So anybody taking that process, that PCR was going to be shown to be positive. You need to think about that carefully and it will, it angers you.

Ahmad (01:38:37.099)
Mmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:39:00.246)
that anything over 24 cycles in the PCR process detects non-culturable, non-infectious, non-lethal pathogen. We cycled at 45.

Ahmad (01:39:14.165)
Yep, yep, yep. I know, dude, I know. Listen, Paul, I need to wrap up now. Can I just ask you something? Is there anything we’ve missed, anything else that you wanna say, or do you think we’ve covered most of the topics?

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:39:17.495)
That was the key.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:39:25.294)
Sure.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:39:34.166)
No, I mean, you know, they’re pushing, pushing still they started months ago with this pushing for masks again, or, oh, you know, we come in with this trifecta over this winter season that’s coming with RSV, coronavirus and influenza. So you need to take vaccine, this trifecta vaccine. You need to take your COVID vaccine. Look, people need to understand that

The subvariant right now is the mildest it has ever been. What you needed to understand is this. In February of 2020, the median age of death was 83 with three underlying medical conditions. That was the profile of the person who died. Outside of that, you had obesity that emerges as a superloaded risk factor behind age and underlying medical conditions. So if you have…

Ahmad (01:40:17.661)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:40:31.434)
very obese and we found many people who died in emergency room were morbidly obese. You couldn’t even manage them in the emergency room. You couldn’t even prune them. You couldn’t do nothing. You couldn’t even interbate them properly if they need it. You couldn’t do anything. Morbid obesity and age. Today, four years after, we in December of 2023, the median age of death is still 83 with three underlying medical conditions. COVID, if this was really a coronavirus.

Ahmad (01:40:50.68)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:41:01.426)
respiratory virus as this was if it turns out it is exactly what we dealt with here operated how it should have operated as a virus. Common cold viruses which are coronaviruses also flu etc kills people over 80 with underlying medical conditions because your immune system is weaker and you’re sick you have heart disease all sorts of issues you’re sick person.

Ahmad (01:41:17.219)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:41:30.614)
I’m not talking about healthy people. So coronavirus did not do anything other than it should have done. It operated powerfully course. And another point, if life expectancy is about 77 to 78 years on average, all the nations combined.

and COVID kills at 83, you are saying that COVID kills beyond life expectancy. If a pathogen was lethal, like an Ebola, like a hemorrhagic fever, NEPA, rifale fever, something like that, with a 50 to 80% mortality, you would have seen after three years, four years, a reduction in life expectancy. COVID has not reduced life expectancy. In fact, COVID kills beyond your life expectancy.

Ahmad (01:42:14.672)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:42:19.978)
That’s an indication. And one more piece of stat I want to leave your public with. We have looked at all of the data that the CDC has provided. And we’ve looked at the cases that the CDC said, these were children, these pediatric cases, because the CDC says up to 21-year pediatric, as bizarre and nonsensical as that is. So we said, no, we take up to 19. So from zero years to 19 years, we looked at all of the instances of death.

Ahmad (01:42:20.96)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:42:26.126)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:42:50.926)
to treat three, 400 across COVID for four years. The CDC says, well, these are pediatrics. These were zero to 19 years old. We could find not one instance, not one case where a healthy person in America between that age group got infected with COVID and died. You can’t find in Sweden. You can’t find in Germany. I argue we can’t even find in UK. I want you to listen to my statement again. No healthy child.

who have gotten exposed to COVID healthy.

got infected and died from COVID. None. And I challenge anyone listening, any doctor in any country, bring forth a case. We will show you that child was gravely ill with some underlying condition that would have died. God forbid, knock on wood, no parent wants to lose a child, but was going to die absent of COVID. So they’ve used the data to manipulate, to force parents to take shots, these vaccines when they knew.

Ahmad (01:43:30.449)
Incredible.

Ahmad (01:43:42.992)
Mm.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:43:55.522)
that COVID spared our children. COVID still spares our children today. Today, no healthy child died from COVID. And that data is bulletproof, factual data.

Ahmad (01:44:02.304)
Mmm.

Ahmad (01:44:12.298)
Oh man. Listen, Paul, I just want to thank you for all your knowledge, information, for persevering even during those dark, dark days when you’re isolated and being attacked left, right, and center. Thank you for being strong, even though you’re in the deep, the deep swamp, you know, the deep swamp, you,

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:44:28.534)
Mm-hmm. This was tough.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:44:36.066)
Mm-hmm.

Ahmad (01:44:39.562)
You know, you stick by your principles, you stick by science. I never asked you, you know, what did you think when Fouchi said, I am science? You must have laughed at that. Did you laugh at that? I laughed at that. What a ridiculous statement. And I think. And he also said the science, the science is settled, which is the most unscientific thing you can ever say. Science has never settled.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:44:55.042)
Also I laugh at that, for Jesus. These are… No, I agree with you.

Ahmad (01:45:09.39)
constant, constant questioning and re-examining. So I mean, the fact that he said, I am science and the science is settled, just goes to show how unscientific this person is. But this is the clown world that we now live in, unfortunately.

Um, anyway, Paul.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:45:27.054)
Strong wood, you’re right.

Ahmad (01:45:32.328)
My friend, listen, we’re gonna keep in touch. I love you so much. Thank you again for doing this. You are amazing. Carry on your great work. Thank you and God bless you. Thank you, Paul.

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:45:37.748)
See ya!

Dr. Paul Alexander (01:45:45.23)
Thank you very much to you and your family, blessings. Thank you.